CrushAlot wrote:

nyvector16 wrote:Have any of you guys seen the commercial for the D'Antoni show where he does play analaysis on both ends of the court on the previous game's video. From what I saw just from the commercial, he has a very good understanding of what he wants and describes how his players are executing his plan. He described their assignments and floor position on slow motion and then did some freeze frames and described the disadvantageous of the player's position (Chandler in the one I saw) on D.

Anyways, I will be watching that show. It will give us fans some really good incite into how the coach is teaching his team his style of basketball.

I think D'Antoni is one of the best in the game, but his stock was hurt by our miserable play the last 2 years.
He finally has the pieces he needs to put out a nice team with actual skills to execute his gameplan.

I missed the commercial but I have never seen him break down film of any team other than his own. If he is studying another team's plays and tendencies and breaking that down it would be a huge improvement on his part.

As far as his coaching defense goes it is a huge weakness for him and an area some of his players have been quoted as saying he just ignored in the past. I don't expect much but any improvement would be a positive. I agree with dacash about Walsh recognizing his coaches weaknesses and finding players that fit what he needs. I also think he knew his coach needed an alpha dog to provide leadership on the court, in practice and in the locker room. I think he knows to stay away from guys with any kind of maturity or character issues no matter how talented they are.

Aren't those things that ANY GM would be looking for in players? If you're going to spend 100 mil on a lead player you better hope he's willing and capable of being a team leader on and off the court. Also ALL coaches need defensive minded players on their roster to be effective on the defensive end of the court, it's not just Mike.

His teams in PHX were never in the lower half of the league defensively despite this so called lack of emphasis on D. He also never had many good defensive players in PHX either and that was even worse when he got here. This roster is at least put together with 2 way players in mind as well as size. Donnie addressed all of the teams needs in that area pretty well.

If Walsh felt Mike was seriously deficient he would've forced a defensive coach down his throat. All that matters now is that with a team that is setup to play better D, he's got them showing signs of improvement in that area. Even last year it was evident that Mike has a gameplan on D, but he needed players that could execute those plans. We clearly didn't have those players, so Donnie got rid of them and brought in guys that can and will put in the effort. Watching the team rotating properly and doing some of the things a good defense is supposed to do it's clear evidence that they work on these things in practice. You don't just figure that stuff out on your own.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nyvector16 wrote:Have any of you guys seen the commercial for the D'Antoni show where he does play analaysis on both ends of the court on the previous game's video. From what I saw just from the commercial, he has a very good understanding of what he wants and describes how his players are executing his plan. He described their assignments and floor position on slow motion and then did some freeze frames and described the disadvantageous of the player's position (Chandler in the one I saw) on D.

Anyways, I will be watching that show. It will give us fans some really good incite into how the coach is teaching his team his style of basketball.

I think D'Antoni is one of the best in the game, but his stock was hurt by our miserable play the last 2 years.
He finally has the pieces he needs to put out a nice team with actual skills to execute his gameplan.

I missed the commercial but I have never seen him break down film of any team other than his own. If he is studying another team's plays and tendencies and breaking that down it would be a huge improvement on his part.

As far as his coaching defense goes it is a huge weakness for him and an area some of his players have been quoted as saying he just ignored in the past. I don't expect much but any improvement would be a positive. I agree with dacash about Walsh recognizing his coaches weaknesses and finding players that fit what he needs. I also think he knew his coach needed an alpha dog to provide leadership on the court, in practice and in the locker room. I think he knows to stay away from guys with any kind of maturity or character issues no matter how talented they are.

Aren't those things that ANY GM would be looking for in players? If you're going to spend 100 mil on a lead player you better hope he's willing and capable of being a team leader on and off the court. Also ALL coaches need defensive minded players on their roster to be effective on the defensive end of the court, it's not just Mike.

His teams in PHX were never in the lower half of the league defensively despite this so called lack of emphasis on D. He also never had many good defensive players in PHX either and that was even worse when he got here. This roster is at least put together with 2 way players in mind as well as size. Donnie addressed all of the teams needs in that area pretty well.

If Walsh felt Mike was seriously deficient he would've forced a defensive coach down his throat. All that matters now is that with a team that is setup to play better D, he's got them showing signs of improvement in that area. Even last year it was evident that Mike has a gameplan on D, but he needed players that could execute those plans. We clearly didn't have those players, so Donnie got rid of them and brought in guys that can and will put in the effort. Watching the team rotating properly and doing some of the things a good defense is supposed to do it's clear evidence that they work on these things in practice. You don't just figure that stuff out on your own.

The reason D'Antoni is in NY is because he was asked to place more emphasis on defense in Phoenix. The reason he didn't take the Bulls job was because they wanted him to emphasize defense. Walsh placed no demands on D'Antoni and told him he wanted him as he was. As far as his defensive philosophy playing Jeffries on point guards isn't a plan or system. However, if he has a system it will be one that will not change game to game or involve watching film and making adjustments. Last year another coach made the crack that D'Antoni wouldn't be prepared for a change on offense they had made more than a week before they played the Knicks because he didn't watch tape.

As far as taking on guys that have talent but flawed character the last time the Knicks were in the finals they had Spree. They also won a lot with Mase, Camby, Starks... All guys that were incredible talents but had maturity or character issues. Do you think there is anyway any of those guys go through a year playing with D'Antoni without a silent benching that led to a trade or buyout?

I don't know, that glosses over every other detail we know really went down in PHO.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nyvector16 wrote:Have any of you guys seen the commercial for the D'Antoni show where he does play analaysis on both ends of the court on the previous game's video. From what I saw just from the commercial, he has a very good understanding of what he wants and describes how his players are executing his plan. He described their assignments and floor position on slow motion and then did some freeze frames and described the disadvantageous of the player's position (Chandler in the one I saw) on D.

Anyways, I will be watching that show. It will give us fans some really good incite into how the coach is teaching his team his style of basketball.

I think D'Antoni is one of the best in the game, but his stock was hurt by our miserable play the last 2 years.
He finally has the pieces he needs to put out a nice team with actual skills to execute his gameplan.

I missed the commercial but I have never seen him break down film of any team other than his own. If he is studying another team's plays and tendencies and breaking that down it would be a huge improvement on his part.

As far as his coaching defense goes it is a huge weakness for him and an area some of his players have been quoted as saying he just ignored in the past. I don't expect much but any improvement would be a positive. I agree with dacash about Walsh recognizing his coaches weaknesses and finding players that fit what he needs. I also think he knew his coach needed an alpha dog to provide leadership on the court, in practice and in the locker room. I think he knows to stay away from guys with any kind of maturity or character issues no matter how talented they are.

Aren't those things that ANY GM would be looking for in players? If you're going to spend 100 mil on a lead player you better hope he's willing and capable of being a team leader on and off the court. Also ALL coaches need defensive minded players on their roster to be effective on the defensive end of the court, it's not just Mike.

His teams in PHX were never in the lower half of the league defensively despite this so called lack of emphasis on D. He also never had many good defensive players in PHX either and that was even worse when he got here. This roster is at least put together with 2 way players in mind as well as size. Donnie addressed all of the teams needs in that area pretty well.

If Walsh felt Mike was seriously deficient he would've forced a defensive coach down his throat. All that matters now is that with a team that is setup to play better D, he's got them showing signs of improvement in that area. Even last year it was evident that Mike has a gameplan on D, but he needed players that could execute those plans. We clearly didn't have those players, so Donnie got rid of them and brought in guys that can and will put in the effort. Watching the team rotating properly and doing some of the things a good defense is supposed to do it's clear evidence that they work on these things in practice. You don't just figure that stuff out on your own.

The reason D'Antoni is in NY is because he was asked to place more emphasis on defense in Phoenix. The reason he didn't take the Bulls job was because they wanted him to emphasize defense. Walsh placed no demands on D'Antoni and told him he wanted him as he was. As far as his defensive philosophy playing Jeffries on point guards isn't a plan or system. However, if he has a system it will be one that will not change game to game or involve watching film and making adjustments. Last year another coach made the crack that D'Antoni wouldn't be prepared for a change on offense they had made more than a week before they played the Knicks because he didn't watch tape.

As far as taking on guys that have talent but flawed character the last time the Knicks were in the finals they had Spree. They also won a lot with Mase, Camby, Starks... All guys that were incredible talents but had maturity or character issues. Do you think there is anyway any of those guys go through a year playing with D'Antoni without a silent benching that led to a trade or buyout?

I don't know, that glosses over every other detail we know really went down in PHO.

D'Antoni met with Sarver and Kerr for more than two hours Friday, with Kerr saying afterward that they all wanted to take a few days to digest what was discussed. Kerr stuck to his earlier pledge that he and Sarver remained hopeful of convincing D'Antoni that the parties' philosophical differences could be resolved.

But sources close to the situation have maintained for days that D'Antoni does not want to continue coaching in Phoenix if he must implement the changes suggested by his bosses, which include increasing the time spent practicing defense and a more stern approach with younger players such as Suns forward Amare Stoudemire and guard Leandro Barbosa.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3381686

that's a nice article and it certainly takes the view from "sources", which prob means Saver, Kerr or MDA (or people who spoke for them). But it still glosses over a lot of what went down as to the reason MDA left.

nixluva wrote:

JesseDark wrote:I gotta wait a little longer before I can cosign on Dantoni coaches defense. Last year during the preseason there was talk of how improved the defense was.

It's not just TALK! Have you been watching the team even play this preseason? You can clearly see that there's been a much better effort on D. No one is saying this is gonna be a defensive juggernaut. We just want to see some consistent effort on D this year and that should help to get some wins. Here's what we do know. TD and Felton are the 2 best defensive PG's we've had in years. We have multiple bigs that can and do block shots. We've got more athletic defenders that can give help and still recover. It's an improved team on defense, how much we won't know for a while, but it's not like it was last year when the team just let teams score at will.

Wow, this is almost a duplicate of a discussion I was on last year at this time. All I'm saying is I've seen this before and want to see more before agreeing that is coaching defense.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nyvector16 wrote:Have any of you guys seen the commercial for the D'Antoni show where he does play analaysis on both ends of the court on the previous game's video. From what I saw just from the commercial, he has a very good understanding of what he wants and describes how his players are executing his plan. He described their assignments and floor position on slow motion and then did some freeze frames and described the disadvantageous of the player's position (Chandler in the one I saw) on D.

Anyways, I will be watching that show. It will give us fans some really good incite into how the coach is teaching his team his style of basketball.

I think D'Antoni is one of the best in the game, but his stock was hurt by our miserable play the last 2 years.
He finally has the pieces he needs to put out a nice team with actual skills to execute his gameplan.

I missed the commercial but I have never seen him break down film of any team other than his own. If he is studying another team's plays and tendencies and breaking that down it would be a huge improvement on his part.

As far as his coaching defense goes it is a huge weakness for him and an area some of his players have been quoted as saying he just ignored in the past. I don't expect much but any improvement would be a positive. I agree with dacash about Walsh recognizing his coaches weaknesses and finding players that fit what he needs. I also think he knew his coach needed an alpha dog to provide leadership on the court, in practice and in the locker room. I think he knows to stay away from guys with any kind of maturity or character issues no matter how talented they are.

Aren't those things that ANY GM would be looking for in players? If you're going to spend 100 mil on a lead player you better hope he's willing and capable of being a team leader on and off the court. Also ALL coaches need defensive minded players on their roster to be effective on the defensive end of the court, it's not just Mike.

His teams in PHX were never in the lower half of the league defensively despite this so called lack of emphasis on D. He also never had many good defensive players in PHX either and that was even worse when he got here. This roster is at least put together with 2 way players in mind as well as size. Donnie addressed all of the teams needs in that area pretty well.

If Walsh felt Mike was seriously deficient he would've forced a defensive coach down his throat. All that matters now is that with a team that is setup to play better D, he's got them showing signs of improvement in that area. Even last year it was evident that Mike has a gameplan on D, but he needed players that could execute those plans. We clearly didn't have those players, so Donnie got rid of them and brought in guys that can and will put in the effort. Watching the team rotating properly and doing some of the things a good defense is supposed to do it's clear evidence that they work on these things in practice. You don't just figure that stuff out on your own.

The reason D'Antoni is in NY is because he was asked to place more emphasis on defense in Phoenix. The reason he didn't take the Bulls job was because they wanted him to emphasize defense. Walsh placed no demands on D'Antoni and told him he wanted him as he was. As far as his defensive philosophy playing Jeffries on point guards isn't a plan or system. However, if he has a system it will be one that will not change game to game or involve watching film and making adjustments. Last year another coach made the crack that D'Antoni wouldn't be prepared for a change on offense they had made more than a week before they played the Knicks because he didn't watch tape.

As far as taking on guys that have talent but flawed character the last time the Knicks were in the finals they had Spree. They also won a lot with Mase, Camby, Starks... All guys that were incredible talents but had maturity or character issues. Do you think there is anyway any of those guys go through a year playing with D'Antoni without a silent benching that led to a trade or buyout?

I don't know, that glosses over every other detail we know really went down in PHO.

D'Antoni met with Sarver and Kerr for more than two hours Friday, with Kerr saying afterward that they all wanted to take a few days to digest what was discussed. Kerr stuck to his earlier pledge that he and Sarver remained hopeful of convincing D'Antoni that the parties' philosophical differences could be resolved.

But sources close to the situation have maintained for days that D'Antoni does not want to continue coaching in Phoenix if he must implement the changes suggested by his bosses, which include increasing the time spent practicing defense and a more stern approach with younger players such as Suns forward Amare Stoudemire and guard Leandro Barbosa.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3381686

that's a nice article and it certainly takes the view from "sources", which prob means Saver, Kerr or MDA (or people who spoke for them). But it still glosses over a lot of what went down as to the reason MDA left.