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Timofey Mozgov - Where would he have gone in the last draft?
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There have only been a few preseason games, but the guy showed it at FIBA and a lot of posters said "Well that was just FIBA." But, he is playing really well considering he is a rookie. I say he would be a LOCK for top 10 based on his summer league and FIBA play. Looking at where centers often go, he easily could have gone top 5, even with his age. The guy is just too athletic and has too good of an IQ. Think of all the "stupid" centers drafted purely on size and "potential".
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Markji
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10/18/2010  11:37 PM
Mosgov wouldn't have been taken very high in the draft because he was an unknown and without much experience at the top level of European Bball. But after seeing him play for the past 3 games, he is obviously a top 10 pick.

Since I haven't seen this posted, I'll put it here. Mosgov blocking Paul Pierce driving to the basket. Great play.

http://www.fromthebaseline.com/big-cs-top-plays/Mozgov-Pins-Paul-Pierce-Shot/4/63/1

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10/19/2010  12:12 AM
If draft was held after worlds he could of went from 6 to 15

B4 worlds he was unknown probably late first early second....

He is getting 8th pick money.

Either way great pick up from Donnie

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10/19/2010  7:29 AM
umynot wrote:If draft was held after worlds he could of went from 6 to 15

B4 worlds he was unknown probably late first early second....

He is getting 8th pick money.

Either way great pick up from Donnie


Speaking of 8th pick money, what we would say the optimism level is for Mozgov compared to our last 8th pick Jordan Hill? What's the opinion for how do they compare in terms of upside?
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10/19/2010  8:37 AM
If he could just board better, I'd be very happy with this signing.
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10/19/2010  8:43 AM
Where is playing now would warrant a high draft pick position. Many bigs are drafted on potential and the first order is getting there body NBA ready to avoid injury. Bigs can last longer in the NBA. What they lose in quickness they compensate with power.

What "Could" have increased his status is his body is NBA ready.

I think in Two years we'll really know the answer.

I hope in the short term his rebounding increases. We need them and thats what starts fast breaks!
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10/19/2010  11:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/19/2010  11:29 AM
dunno...but the guy Utah selected with our pick just dropped 26 pts on the lakers.... i just had to go there

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10/19/2010  12:15 PM
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10/19/2010  12:20 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I said it after the world games--he was a top 7 pick easy

was that before or after you said we wasted a roster spot on him & should've signed Earl Barron instead?

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10/19/2010  1:24 PM
If we had our pick in 2010 do any of you seriously believe we should have draft Mosgov over Paul George, Cole Aldrich, or Xavier Henry. Stop drinking the kool aid.
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10/19/2010  1:29 PM
AnubisADL wrote:If we had our pick in 2010 do any of you seriously believe we should have draft Mosgov over Paul George, Cole Aldrich, or Xavier Henry. Stop drinking the kool aid.

i think they're drinking the mozgov ****tail.
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10/19/2010  1:36 PM
AnubisADL wrote:If we had our pick in 2010 do any of you seriously believe we should have draft Mosgov over Paul George, Cole Aldrich, or Xavier Henry. Stop drinking the kool aid.
the question wasnt who WE would have taken. The question is where he would have gone in the draft. Bigs that can play go high. Thats a simple fact of life. Where was Fran Vasquez taken? If Mosgov had gone through team workouts etc he would have gone no later than 15. Its a silly debate. The 24 years old thing is a non factor
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10/19/2010  1:55 PM
yeah, i think the Moz would have gone in the top 15 without a doubt. maybe higher once he started working out for teams.

he's got great fluidity to his game and knows where to be and has good hands and good timing and makes a strong effort on defense.

he was an absolute STEAL. He's got some Rik Smits to his game - he needs to work on that jumper and smooth post game Rik had, but he's got some of the same skillset. He's going to really help the defense this year, too.

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10/19/2010  4:48 PM
crzymdups wrote:yeah, i think the Moz would have gone in the top 15 without a doubt. maybe higher once he started working out for teams.

he's got great fluidity to his game and knows where to be and has good hands and good timing and makes a strong effort on defense.

he was an absolute STEAL. He's got some Rik Smits to his game - he needs to work on that jumper and smooth post game Rik had, but he's got some of the same skillset. He's going to really help the defense this year, too.

It might be me, but I don't see much Rik Smits in Mozgov. He was a shooter and could even hit 3s at times, if my memory serves me correct. Mozgov seems more like an interior guy, who will get an OCCASIONAL jump shot in transition and the pick and roll game.

I could be wrong about that though. Either way, I like what I see from the Moz Man.

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10/19/2010  4:59 PM
Rik Smits was a career 14.8 ppg, 6.1 rpg and 1.3 bpg in 26.6 mpg player. I'll take that from Timofey Mozgov.
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10/19/2010  5:08 PM
I'm not comparing stats. I'm comparing their games.
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10/19/2010  5:20 PM
I'm staying by what I said. With what Mosgov has showed AFTER FIBA and a few preseason games, IF the draft was held now he would be a top 5 pick. I just can't imagine a big with his IQ slipping out of the top few spots. I think we are a little scarred by some other "steals" we've had that didn't turn out so good.

Yes, the true test will be at the end of the year, but he will be starting at some point and that is just going to help his stock. He has too many tools that he knows how to use for him to drop out of the top 10. Watching this guy play it is just a no brainer to say he is a very high lotto pick. Look at him running up the floor with Pierce and then Blocking his shot.
Guys, we now have a presence in the middle (if he can stay on the court.) But even 20 minutes would greatly help us.

I think Mosgov could easily put up 12 pts, 6 rebounds and 1 or 2 blocks this year. Not to mention a few assists (all while fouling out of most games.)

BTW - I believe that Mosgov could have been drafted if a team wanted to. I think I read that some time ago, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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10/19/2010  5:34 PM
Mosgov has value because we acquired him for NOTHING. So anything he gives us is cake. If we took this guy in the lottery we'd be expecting big jumps for the next 3 years. Remember that guy Channing Frye?
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10/19/2010  5:38 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:I'm not comparing stats. I'm comparing their games.

I'm not comparing stats either - Smits came into this league a hustling defender who could occasionally hit the jumper and had nice post moves.

Mozgov has a nice little baby jumper - he hit two against the Celtics at the Garden and a couple more against the Wizards. I think the difference on offense is that Mozgov has the footwork to be a pick and roll guy, whereas Smits was a true post up center with a nice hook shot.

But their defensive ability seems similar. And like Mozgov seems to - Smits focused more on blocking shots than he did on rebounding.

They just remind me of each other. Smits became more of a plodder after a foot injury, whereas The Moz seems to have pretty good speed for a big guy.

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10/19/2010  8:26 PM
Mozgov can somewhat compare to Smits based on early career style of play. But i consider him to have superior athletic abilities and far less skill and overall size. Who is his best comparison in today's game? I would have to say Robin Lopez is as close as you can get in terms of style of play and projected production at this point in their careers. Moz is more skilled and older, but Lopez has NBA experience at a younger age, and is less raw in terms of in-game situations as a result. I consider both players 8-9 points, 5-6 rebs, 1.5 blks in 20-22 minutes as starters for this season. And their max potential is about the same, maybe slight edge going to Moz. Both are capable of being 15, 10, and 2 in their primes.
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10/19/2010  10:52 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:I'm not comparing stats. I'm comparing their games.

I'm not comparing stats either - Smits came into this league a hustling defender who could occasionally hit the jumper and had nice post moves.

Mozgov has a nice little baby jumper - he hit two against the Celtics at the Garden and a couple more against the Wizards. I think the difference on offense is that Mozgov has the footwork to be a pick and roll guy, whereas Smits was a true post up center with a nice hook shot.

But their defensive ability seems similar. And like Mozgov seems to - Smits focused more on blocking shots than he did on rebounding.

They just remind me of each other. Smits became more of a plodder after a foot injury, whereas The Moz seems to have pretty good speed for a big guy.

I always thought Smits had a pretty refined offensive game. He also was a giant at 7'4". I don't see the Smits/Mos comparison but I like both guys a lot.
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