Let's not compare Jennings and Gallinari, so far Jennings has been more successful. And I dare say it is obvious that Jennings is much more of an impact player.

And I would take OJ Mayo over Gallinari too. Because Mayo has an actual position. Gallinari, has no established position in any kind of traditional rotation. He needs to be a hell of a lot better if he can't be slotted into a traditional PF/SF slot.

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Are you telling me you would not trade Gallinari for Mayo or Jennings in a minute? I bet Walsh would.

oohah

Juice wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Juice wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Really, people- have you forgotten last pre-season already? In case you have here is a quote from last year, written just after pre-season finished:

Prized prospect Danilo Gallinari did not shoot the ball with confidence or accuracy. He was 2 of 8 tonight after his Boston bust-out Tuesday and finished the preseason 15 of 49.

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/knicksblog/item_UGRGVe06Jy4zcUMPBQa54L

He played pretty much like he's playing this pre-season, but he went on to have a much better regular season.

Seriously he shouldnt be stinking in every pre-season. Can we expect some improvement since he had a summer to work on his game?

You must be really annoyed at Brandon Jennings and O.J. Mayo right now then because Pres has been a disaster for both players.

Please don't follow up with your stale...

"THE PROBLEM WITH JENNINGS IS"

or

"THE THINGS MAYO HAS YET TO REALIZE IS"

Jennings has not looked great stat wise but I like the way he is running the offense from the few games I have seen in the pre-season. Last year his shot selection was suspect.

OJ Mayo has also put up lack luster stats. I dont expect him to to do better than last year. Gasol, Randolph, and Conley are playing for contracts and Hollins already stated Mayo isnt getting any minutes at PG.

The one thing both of these players have going for them is they dont have anyone better at their position to compete with on their teams so they are going to major minutes regardless.

But But But But But But....May was being groomed as the Gizzlies future point guard. Must have been your internal desire

So in other words their Pres play has been similar to Gallo's, disappointing. They haven't improved their game much really have they? Your main excuse, they can suck because their is no competition going up against them well except with one player he's battling contract year players while Gallo is battling roster? Does it make a difference? Progress is progress and it would be clear and evident if so.

Meanwhile have you paid attention to T-Will for the Nets? A player you said would barely improve if at all because he spent 4yrs in college? I thought Eric Gordon was too short to play 2 guard?

Dude seriously.

My issue with Gallo is not missing shots. We know he can stroke it. My issue is his insistence on jacking long range shots which allows him to be guarded by small guards.

If Jennings started the Pre-Season jacking shots like a mad man I would be disappointed too. Jennings is showing more poise running the offense and realizing every open shot isn't a good shot.

OJ Mayo is just screwed this season because the shots just arent going to be there. Rudy Gay's Max salary makes him the man and Randolph and Gasol are the 2nd and 3rd options. So OJ Mayo will forced to do more with less. Factor in Conley playing for a contract and things dont look good for Mayo stat wise.

I see Terrence Williams as Desmond Mason 2.0 and I still feel that way until he proves me wrong.

Eric Gordon is STILL an undersized SG.

oohah wrote:^^ Juice did you see Jennings in the playoffs against the hawks? He was taking over games. Did you see him take a poor team to the playoffs, a team that lost its 2 established stars? did you see Bogut play better with Jennings than he ever played before?

Let's not compare Jennings and Gallinari, so far Jennings has been more successful. And I dare say it is obvious that Jennings is much more of an impact player.

And I would take OJ Mayo over Gallinari too. Because Mayo has an actual position. Gallinari, has no established position in any kind of traditional rotation. He needs to be a hell of a lot better if he can't be slotted into a traditional PF/SF slot.

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Are you telling me you would not trade Gallinari for Mayo or Jennings in a minute? I bet Walsh would.

oohah

From what I've seen of OJ he looks to always play under control as well... both players I would trade away Gallo/Randolph for.

oohah wrote:^^ Juice did you see Jennings in the playoffs against the hawks? He was taking over games. Did you see him take a poor team to the playoffs, a team that lost its 2 established stars? did you see Bogut play better with Jennings than he ever played before?

Let's not compare Jennings and Gallinari, so far Jennings has been more successful. And I dare say it is obvious that Jennings is much more of an impact player.

And I would take OJ Mayo over Gallinari too. Because Mayo has an actual position. Gallinari, has no established position in any kind of traditional rotation. He needs to be a hell of a lot better if he can't be slotted into a traditional PF/SF slot.

***

Are you telling me you would not trade Gallinari for Mayo or Jennings in a minute? I bet Walsh would.

oohah

I'm saying you could find ways to see what you want to see. All 3 players are sucking it up in Pres so the emotional pull should be equal if you liked all players based on their Pres play. One could argue Gallo's last 30gms equal Jennings playoff performance(which he had some brutal ones BTW) and mayo's season steadiness but not spectacular. I'd trade all 3 of them for young players from their draft class who weren't number 1 picks. Point I'm stressing here the young players some fans like are just as bad if not worse than some young players on our team.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Really, people- have you forgotten last pre-season already? In case you have here is a quote from last year, written just after pre-season finished:

Prized prospect Danilo Gallinari did not shoot the ball with confidence or accuracy. He was 2 of 8 tonight after his Boston bust-out Tuesday and finished the preseason 15 of 49.

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/knicksblog/item_UGRGVe06Jy4zcUMPBQa54L

He played pretty much like he's playing this pre-season, but he went on to have a much better regular season.

Seriously he shouldnt be stinking in every pre-season. Can we expect some improvement since he had a summer to work on his game?

Yes. Especially during the regular season games.

Yup. I thought pre-season is where you hammer out the kinks. Man, a lot "ship be sinkin" in UK nowadays.

Bippity10 wrote:Has it even been that bad? I thought we kept pace with the NBA runnerups in two straight games playing mostly our backups......8m not even sure where the gloom and doom is coming from. Is it because Gallo and Randolph have proven they aren't stars yet? What exactly are people so anxious about?

Yep, I agree- the thing about pre-season I like is that for me they are stress free games- they're just a bit of practice and don't really matter, win or lose. I get why people are wanting to press the panic button, in that the last decade has taken it's toll on the average Knick fans frayed nerves, but really, every year there are players who stink it up in the pre-season (remember Jamal Crawford in his last season with us?) before turning it up come the actual season. I hate that the media try to turn a minor pre-season mis-hap into a big deal, and thereby heap the pressure on players unneccessarily- it kind of turns into a self fulfilling prophecy where the players start putting pressure on themselves and their game suffers as a result.

The thing with Gallo and AR (and I suppose even Turiaf and Roger Mason) are that they are passion-players, in that they play their best when they have the adrenalin flowing and are feeling competitive. It's hard to get psyched up in a pre-season game, so I'm not suprised they've got a spark missing- in the regular season Gallo goes through games where he's stinking it up, but then just catches fire and gets his points in bunches. In the pre-season, he just ends up sitting instead of getting to that point.

And you know saying all that, there are some good things to see so far- yeah rebounding is a worry, but defense is looking better. Fields is looking good as are Mosgov and Amar'e. Wilson Chandler is playing really well, and it looks like Bill Walker IS a good shooter and last year wasn't a fluke (if you look at draftexpress in workouts etc he showed his good shooting back then too). T Douglas is looking like he'll be a solid backup, and even Felton is slowly starting to improve. Just give the team time and be patient, it'll save you a lot of unnecessary stress.

AnubisADL wrote:

Juice wrote:

oohah wrote:^^ Juice did you see Jennings in the playoffs against the hawks? He was taking over games. Did you see him take a poor team to the playoffs, a team that lost its 2 established stars? did you see Bogut play better with Jennings than he ever played before?

Let's not compare Jennings and Gallinari, so far Jennings has been more successful. And I dare say it is obvious that Jennings is much more of an impact player.

And I would take OJ Mayo over Gallinari too. Because Mayo has an actual position. Gallinari, has no established position in any kind of traditional rotation. He needs to be a hell of a lot better if he can't be slotted into a traditional PF/SF slot.

***

Are you telling me you would not trade Gallinari for Mayo or Jennings in a minute? I bet Walsh would.

oohah

I'm saying you could find ways to see what you want to see. All 3 players are sucking it up in Pres so the emotional pull should be equal if you liked all players based on their Pres play. One could argue Gallo's last 30gms equal Jennings playoff performance(which he had some brutal ones BTW) and mayo's season steadiness but not spectacular. I'd trade all 3 of them for young players from their draft class who weren't number 1 picks. Point I'm stressing here the young players some fans like are just as bad if not worse than some young players on our team.

LOL says the guy talking up Mike Conley. Stop it man.

I don't talk up Mike Conley. I make cases he's not as bad as fans say he is. He hasn't lived up to his draft pick for sure. Obviously you have a bone to pick with Conley because ADL wants his binkie Mayo to play point guard. Sorry you can't fool around here bro.

Juice wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Juice wrote:

oohah wrote:^^ Juice did you see Jennings in the playoffs against the hawks? He was taking over games. Did you see him take a poor team to the playoffs, a team that lost its 2 established stars? did you see Bogut play better with Jennings than he ever played before?

Let's not compare Jennings and Gallinari, so far Jennings has been more successful. And I dare say it is obvious that Jennings is much more of an impact player.

And I would take OJ Mayo over Gallinari too. Because Mayo has an actual position. Gallinari, has no established position in any kind of traditional rotation. He needs to be a hell of a lot better if he can't be slotted into a traditional PF/SF slot.

***

Are you telling me you would not trade Gallinari for Mayo or Jennings in a minute? I bet Walsh would.

oohah

I'm saying you could find ways to see what you want to see. All 3 players are sucking it up in Pres so the emotional pull should be equal if you liked all players based on their Pres play. One could argue Gallo's last 30gms equal Jennings playoff performance(which he had some brutal ones BTW) and mayo's season steadiness but not spectacular. I'd trade all 3 of them for young players from their draft class who weren't number 1 picks. Point I'm stressing here the young players some fans like are just as bad if not worse than some young players on our team.

LOL says the guy talking up Mike Conley. Stop it man.

I don't talk up Mike Conley. I make cases he's not as bad as fans say he is. He hasn't lived up to his draft pick for sure. Obviously you have a bone to pick with Conley because ADL wants his binkie Mayo to play point guard. Sorry you can't fool around here bro.

Dude Im not trying to argue with you. I dont try to to hide the fact that Im high on Jennings and Mayo.

Conley isnt a good PG. He gets his stats but when it comes to running the offense and creating plays he is below average for a PG. The guy can barely average 5 assists and he is playing with Mayo, Gay, Randolph, and Gasol. Jennings and Curry put up better assist numbers as rookies.

Mayo's problem is Hollin's isn't going to experiment when he needs to win games. Mayo also needs to work on his handle is he wants to get major minutes at the point.

AnubisADL wrote:

Juice wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Juice wrote:

oohah wrote:^^ Juice did you see Jennings in the playoffs against the hawks? He was taking over games. Did you see him take a poor team to the playoffs, a team that lost its 2 established stars? did you see Bogut play better with Jennings than he ever played before?

Let's not compare Jennings and Gallinari, so far Jennings has been more successful. And I dare say it is obvious that Jennings is much more of an impact player.

And I would take OJ Mayo over Gallinari too. Because Mayo has an actual position. Gallinari, has no established position in any kind of traditional rotation. He needs to be a hell of a lot better if he can't be slotted into a traditional PF/SF slot.

***

Are you telling me you would not trade Gallinari for Mayo or Jennings in a minute? I bet Walsh would.

oohah

I'm saying you could find ways to see what you want to see. All 3 players are sucking it up in Pres so the emotional pull should be equal if you liked all players based on their Pres play. One could argue Gallo's last 30gms equal Jennings playoff performance(which he had some brutal ones BTW) and mayo's season steadiness but not spectacular. I'd trade all 3 of them for young players from their draft class who weren't number 1 picks. Point I'm stressing here the young players some fans like are just as bad if not worse than some young players on our team.

LOL says the guy talking up Mike Conley. Stop it man.

I don't talk up Mike Conley. I make cases he's not as bad as fans say he is. He hasn't lived up to his draft pick for sure. Obviously you have a bone to pick with Conley because ADL wants his binkie Mayo to play point guard. Sorry you can't fool around here bro.

Dude Im not trying to argue with you. I dont try to to hide the fact that Im high on Jennings and Mayo.

Conley isnt a good PG. He gets his stats but when it comes to running the offense and creating plays he is below average for a PG. The guy can barely average 5 assists and he is playing with Mayo, Gay, Randolph, and Gasol. Jennings and Curry put up better assist numbers as rookies.

Mayo's problem is Hollin's isn't going to experiment when he needs to win games. Mayo also needs to work on his handle is he wants to get major minutes at the point.

I understand you aren't trying to argue but you're making concessions for Mayo and not Conley. Look at the players you listed ADL, they are all isolation type players except Gasol. Most of them never shoot on the go, they have to have the ball in their hands and either take several dribbles to get a rhythm or they face up and jab step until they get what they want. Hollins runs tons of ISO's even when Mayo was playing point while Conley was logging low minutes he wasn't racking up tons of assist by any means. And if Conley isn't dropping dimes when he plays with so many talented players how come Jennings assist numbers dropped after the trade? I'll give you a hint Last name Salmons First name John....and what kind of player is he.....ISO ISO ISO ISO ISO ISO ISO ISO JAB JAB STEP JAB STEP JAB STEP. You want Mayo playing point guard regardless of Conley or whoever else is on the team this I know for a fact.