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CrushAlot
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10/17/2010  12:11 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:Even when we had david lee we finish the season 24th in Rb, thats pretty bad..These players are so out of positon when the ball goes up, it's almost comical. AR,and gallo should be ashamed of themselves.`

coaching--terrible

How many times does your team have to fail and do the same things wrong before you are considered part of the problem? The Knicks don't even have a good lead assistant in my opinion. I love that Frank was hired to replace Thibs for Boston. Aside from Herb, D'Antoni's assistants biggest career accomplishments are being his assistants. D'Antoni has surrounded himself with guys that are lucky to have a job. There is no give and take in regards to philosophy and what is emphasized in practice with this staff. Nothing is going to change with D'Antoni. His rigidity brought him to NY and it will prevent him from having success here.

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10/17/2010  12:28 PM
the one thing i disagree with is Toney Douglas has looked good to me
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10/17/2010  12:33 PM
To think adding a scrub like Josh Boone is going to be the savior on the glass is laughable. We got the players here to be a good and solid rebounding team. Amar'e Stoudemire, Ronny Turiaf, Anthony Randolph and Timofey Mozgov have the size and the athleticism to rebound well. It's Mike D'Antoni and his stupid small lineups for why we can't rebound. Someone needs to tell him that this isn't Italy and you win in this league with defense and rebounding first and second and offense is a distant third.
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10/17/2010  12:48 PM
Elite wrote:the one thing i disagree with is Toney Douglas has looked good to me

someone think it was loweye said he wasn't following through...other than that he has looked good. Now he and Nate were jawing and he did get just plain cold ****ed last night on what I thought should have been a flagrant elbow from Shaq. Think Rondo got a nice shiner later too.

He looked like crap on the floor last quarter though when he was jawing with Nate instead of directing his teammates

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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10/17/2010  10:41 PM
I'm not sure if we have the cap space to sign him, but the easiest fix is to sign Erick Dampier. Dampier is one of the best rebounders in the league.
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10/17/2010  10:44 PM
VDesai wrote:I'm not sure if we have the cap space to sign him, but the easiest fix is to sign Erick Dampier. Dampier is one of the best rebounders in the league.

Joke statement?

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10/17/2010  10:58 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
VDesai wrote:I'm not sure if we have the cap space to sign him, but the easiest fix is to sign Erick Dampier. Dampier is one of the best rebounders in the league.

Joke statement?

Have you ever watched him play? All he does is rebound. He sucks at everything else, but he's really strong and pounds the boards. Just look it his numbers- his rebound rate was identical to DLee's. The guy has led the league in offensive boards before.

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10/17/2010  11:11 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/492993-nba-rumors-latest-on-lebron-james-kobe-bryant-carmelo-anthony-and-more/entry/18419-nba-rumors-erick-dampier-receives-two-year-offer-from-houston-rockets

Supposedly Houston offered him 2 years for 4 million. This would be a bargain basement price. At his age he should probably want to play for a contender, but we could use a body like his for sure.

Rose is not the answer.
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10/18/2010  12:43 AM
Another possibility, Tiny Gallon:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tiny-Gallon-5248/

He was drafted in the 2nd round and then released by the Bucks... so not sure what his rights situation is... but he looks promising according to some advanced statistics folks.

See http://arturogalletti.wordpress.com/2010/10/11/prove-me-wrongrook-finale-projecting-the-2010-rookies/ for additional analysis.

Rose is not the answer.
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10/18/2010  1:02 AM
The idea is to be far more efficient at scoring the ball. That will trim down the rebounding differential. This team was never going to be a top rebounding team anyway. Part of it is the makeup of the roster and the rest is the style of play. That's why we have to get better at executing the offense. The more efficient this team is on offense the less of an impact our poor rebounding will be. I don't see a single addition that will solve our rebounding problems, unless it's a guy that will start for us. I don't see that happening at this point. Donnie will probably go with the roster we have into the season.

We simply must get more out of the guys we have. Gallo, Chan, Turiaf, Moz and Amare along with the guards all have to pick it up. I believe we'll be able to overcome the lack of rebounding tho I expect we'll be out-rebounded most of the season. This is not a perfect team, but also we have to remember that this team is a work in progress. I think we're going to see this team get better and better and the talent will eventually start producing as they get more comfortable.

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10/18/2010  1:43 AM
let's trade AR, Turiaf & Azabuike for David Lee.
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10/18/2010  2:00 AM
Let's not.
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10/18/2010  4:00 AM
nixluva wrote:The idea is to be far more efficient at scoring the ball. That will trim down the rebounding differential. This team was never going to be a top rebounding team anyway. Part of it is the makeup of the roster and the rest is the style of play. That's why we have to get better at executing the offense. The more efficient this team is on offense the less of an impact our poor rebounding will be. I don't see a single addition that will solve our rebounding problems, unless it's a guy that will start for us. I don't see that happening at this point. Donnie will probably go with the roster we have into the season.

In theory I see your point... but depending on shooting a higher percentage to reduce the need to rebound is not realistic IMO. The Phoenix Suns are a decent model for what we want our team to progress towards... and even after losing Amare, their rebounders are better than ours (Jason Richardson, Robin Lopez, Grant Hill, Hedo).

Rose is not the answer.
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10/18/2010  4:24 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Let's not.

one untouchable for another untouchable.

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10/18/2010  6:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/18/2010  6:53 AM
Other then Dampier, who is a plodding center but is a good rebounder and shotblocker who is older and will eat into Moz's minutes, l think getting a rebounder that will solve the rebounding mess has to come through a trade. Obviously the trade off is the guy is gonna eat into the developmental of Mozgov.

You can probably get a guy like Gadzuric from Milly pretty cheap (I am not sure of his contract status), but Gadz can run, and was a decent rebounder and shotblocker in limited minutes before Bogut got there.

Personally, I love Al Horford as a player. He is a C, can run, block shots...he may or may not be getting a contract extension and may not come as cheap as some secondary guys like Gadz but Wilson another player (Walker, Azu) and $3 mil may work.

Horford
Amare
Gallo
Insert 2G here(Douglas, Fields, Gallo?)
Felton

I think the key is that you have to get a guy that minimizes taking developmental minutes. Horford is young and reminds me of a young Oakley-without the uberhustle gene, or an Alonzo Mourning without the offense.

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10/18/2010  6:56 AM
joec32033 wrote:Other then Dampier, who is a plodding center but is a good rebounder and shotblocker who is older and will eat into Moz's minutes, l think getting a rebounder that will solve the rebounding mess has to come through a trade. Obviously the trade off is the guy is gonna eat into the developmental of Mozgov.

You can probably get a guy like Gadzuric from Milly pretty cheap (I am not sure of his contract status), but Gadz can run, and was a decent rebounder and shotblocker in limited minutes before Bogut got there.

Personally, I love Al Horford as a player. He is a C, can run, block shots...he may or may not be getting a contract extension and may not come as cheap as some secondary guys like Gadz but Wilson another player (Walker, Azu) and $3 mil may work.

Horford
Amare
Gallo
Insert 2G here(Douglas, Fields, Gallo?)
Felton

I think the key is that you have to get a guy that minimizes taking developmental minutes. Horford is young and reminds me of a young Oakley-without the uberhustle gene, or an Alonzo Mourning without the offense.

I think if they get anyone, unless they are very good, they're pushing Turiaf further back, not Moz as I think D'Antoni actually likes him.

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10/18/2010  7:05 AM
I don't think the rebounding is necessarily the players fault as much as it is D'Antoni's system.

I think we jack lots of outside shouts- hence, minimizing our opportunities for offensive rebounds, and on defense, because D'Antoni is looking to get other teams to get into a shoot out, there are lots of long, outside shots, and because the floor is spaced, opportunities for the opponent to grab rebounds.

Why that doesn't work for his teams, I don't know- I realize the above makes no sense

But look at his team from 2006/07

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2007.html

Outrebounded by about 200 for the season- or 2.34 per game.

Yes, an undersized unit, but he had Marion and Amare.

I guess size and strength win out over speed.

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10/18/2010  7:15 AM
According to that site, the Suns had 2 9+ rebounders that year - Amare and Shawn Marion. At this point, we have 1 (and Amare's rebounding has declined slightly since that year). Also, a 2-3 rebound shortage per game isn't bad at all... we've been getting blown out by much larger amounts... it's still pre-season so I wouldn't panic yet. But if we are 20+ games in and we are getting outrebounded by 15 per game consistently, we'll need to do something creative.
Rose is not the answer.
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10/18/2010  8:03 AM
franco12 wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Other then Dampier, who is a plodding center but is a good rebounder and shotblocker who is older and will eat into Moz's minutes, l think getting a rebounder that will solve the rebounding mess has to come through a trade. Obviously the trade off is the guy is gonna eat into the developmental of Mozgov.

You can probably get a guy like Gadzuric from Milly pretty cheap (I am not sure of his contract status), but Gadz can run, and was a decent rebounder and shotblocker in limited minutes before Bogut got there.

Personally, I love Al Horford as a player. He is a C, can run, block shots...he may or may not be getting a contract extension and may not come as cheap as some secondary guys like Gadz but Wilson another player (Walker, Azu) and $3 mil may work.

Horford
Amare
Gallo
Insert 2G here(Douglas, Fields, Gallo?)
Felton

I think the key is that you have to get a guy that minimizes taking developmental minutes. Horford is young and reminds me of a young Oakley-without the uberhustle gene, or an Alonzo Mourning without the offense.

I think if they get anyone, unless they are very good, they're pushing Turiaf further back, not Moz as I think D'Antoni actually likes him.

This is what I am saying though. Who is gonna solve rebounding woes from a back up to the back up position? We already have Turiaf there. Unless you get a very good rebounding 2 guard or a 2 guard that can expand the floor so we don't have to depend on our front court for outside shooting-and even in that case you are only gonna free up Amare to board as Gallo is still not a "physical" player like that.

As of now, unless Moz boards , you have to be unconventional. Center is one position you generally need your guy to rebound. No rebounder there means you have to get it from somewhere else.

Option 2 is move Gallo to the 2. Keep Moz at center, Amare at PF, and get a solid rebounding SF..guys comparable to Josh Smith, Marion, that type of guy.

Can't expect Moz to Marc Gasol from the jump.

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10/18/2010  8:04 AM
knickstorrents wrote:According to that site, the Suns had 2 9+ rebounders that year - Amare and Shawn Marion. At this point, we have 1 (and Amare's rebounding has declined slightly since that year). Also, a 2-3 rebound shortage per game isn't bad at all... we've been getting blown out by much larger amounts... it's still pre-season so I wouldn't panic yet. But if we are 20+ games in and we are getting outrebounded by 15 per game consistently, we'll need to do something creative.

Fire the coach?

Knicks have to make a roster move to make the rebounding better

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