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TMS
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10/16/2010  3:55 AM
Moonangie wrote:No way I trade Mozgov or AR at this point. In fact, I am leaning against trading at all unless (as I have said) it's Gallo and junk. We can't screw up our team and lose all the flexibility we now have just to land Melo. He'll come on his own.

yeah, you can't risk losing franchise calibre talent like Mozgov & AR for some 2nd tier talent like Melo.

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10/16/2010  9:26 AM
TMS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:No way I trade Mozgov or AR at this point. In fact, I am leaning against trading at all unless (as I have said) it's Gallo and junk. We can't screw up our team and lose all the flexibility we now have just to land Melo. He'll come on his own.

yeah, you can't risk losing franchise calibre talent like Mozgov & AR for some 2nd tier talent like Melo.

Totally agree with you here. Most on this board seem to value potential over actual talent. I dont get it. Melo is a to ten player in this league. I cant take the risk of waiting until the season ends because too much can happen between now and then.
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10/16/2010  11:28 AM
Uptown wrote:
TMS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:No way I trade Mozgov or AR at this point. In fact, I am leaning against trading at all unless (as I have said) it's Gallo and junk. We can't screw up our team and lose all the flexibility we now have just to land Melo. He'll come on his own.

yeah, you can't risk losing franchise calibre talent like Mozgov & AR for some 2nd tier talent like Melo.

Totally agree with you here. Most on this board seem to value potential over actual talent. I dont get it. Melo is a to ten player in this league. I cant take the risk of waiting until the season ends because too much can happen between now and then.

The thing is that if we gut the team to get Melo, we won't have what it takes to challenge Miami. If we can be patient and, either get Melo in the off season or get better terms closer to the deadline, we'll have a team that can knock on the door.
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10/16/2010  11:59 AM
Guys in this game Denver has the weakest hand and we just need to wait till the blink. Then it's ovah.
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10/16/2010  12:41 PM
Ira wrote:
Uptown wrote:
TMS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:No way I trade Mozgov or AR at this point. In fact, I am leaning against trading at all unless (as I have said) it's Gallo and junk. We can't screw up our team and lose all the flexibility we now have just to land Melo. He'll come on his own.

yeah, you can't risk losing franchise calibre talent like Mozgov & AR for some 2nd tier talent like Melo.

Totally agree with you here. Most on this board seem to value potential over actual talent. I dont get it. Melo is a to ten player in this league. I cant take the risk of waiting until the season ends because too much can happen between now and then.

The thing is that if we gut the team to get Melo, we won't have what it takes to challenge Miami. If we can be patient and, either get Melo in the off season or get better terms closer to the deadline, we'll have a team that can knock on the door.

I'm not saying gut the entire roster for him, however, the longer we wait, the higher the chance another team ( The Bulls, Nets, etc) will swoop in an snatch him away. I know everyone seems to be in love with our youth and potential, but our current team ranks anywhere from 8-10 in the east IMO.
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10/16/2010  1:12 PM
Simple: melo to knocks via free agency is his compromise to take less money providing cba clips him or compromise in jersey/Brooklyn to keep his 18mil for next year and big fat extension. nets then blow wad on cp3 and have those two paired with Lopez.

We blow our wad on melo some believe we tapped out. Not isergio!
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10/16/2010  2:04 PM
Can we still get a pick for Randolph? Just so we can have a pick instead of a bonehead player? lol
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10/16/2010  4:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/16/2010  5:01 PM
Denver wants:
one established good player (ie Noah, AK47, Harris, etc)
one young player on a rookie scale (ie Turner, Favors, etc)
and some combo of first round draft picks and/or cap relief.

That is what they are looking for in a package for Melo. Today.

Because we can't match the package Denver is asking for right now, this is why we consistently read that the KNICKS don't have the pieces from Denver's perspective. Even though we have some decent pieces overall.

That price will go down the longer this thing drags out. That's what Donnie seems to be waiting for.

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10/16/2010  5:09 PM
I think the price is too high no matter what we give up because I don't think you can win a championship with Amare and Melo as your two max players. Both are primarily scorers that are either average or slightly above average at all other facets of the game relative to other players at their position. Having that much money tied up on two scorers would make it impossible to bring the other pieces we need to win a championship. (PG, SG, post defender/rebounder/shot blocker etc...)

Melo is not on the same planet as guys like Wade and Lebron who both do many things way better than average for their position and also score more efficiently.

Amare is not on the same planet as guys like peak Duncan, Garnett etc.. that play both ends of the floor extremely well and do much more than score.

Melo + Amare = 5-6 years of second round of playoffs and out.

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10/16/2010  8:02 PM
ItalianStallion wrote:I think the price is too high no matter what we give up because I don't think you can win a championship with Amare and Melo as your two max players. Both are primarily scorers that are either average or slightly above average at all other facets of the game relative to other players at their position. Having that much money tied up on two scorers would make it impossible to bring the other pieces we need to win a championship. (PG, SG, post defender/rebounder/shot blocker etc...)

Melo is not on the same planet as guys like Wade and Lebron who both do many things way better than average for their position and also score more efficiently.

Amare is not on the same planet as guys like peak Duncan, Garnett etc.. that play both ends of the floor extremely well and do much more than score.

Melo + Amare = 5-6 years of second round of playoffs and out.


What do you expect from this current roster?
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10/16/2010  9:01 PM
TMS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:No way I trade Mozgov or AR at this point. In fact, I am leaning against trading at all unless (as I have said) it's Gallo and junk. We can't screw up our team and lose all the flexibility we now have just to land Melo. He'll come on his own.

yeah, you can't risk losing franchise calibre talent like Mozgov & AR for some 2nd tier talent like Melo.

didnt you say NO to a KG trade because you were sure the Wolves would want Channing Frye? What changed your philosophy? OR will Moz and AR not hit Frye's level?
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10/17/2010  1:48 PM
ItalianStallion wrote:I think the price is too high no matter what we give up because I don't think you can win a championship with Amare and Melo as your two max players. Both are primarily scorers that are either average or slightly above average at all other facets of the game relative to other players at their position. Having that much money tied up on two scorers would make it impossible to bring the other pieces we need to win a championship. (PG, SG, post defender/rebounder/shot blocker etc...)

Melo is not on the same planet as guys like Wade and Lebron who both do many things way better than average for their position and also score more efficiently.

Amare is not on the same planet as guys like peak Duncan, Garnett etc.. that play both ends of the floor extremely well and do much more than score.

Melo + Amare = 5-6 years of second round of playoffs and out.


if Melo isn't on the same planet as those guys then everyone on this current roster isn't in the same universe... ur reasoning that Melo & Amare will equate to 5-6 more years of mediocrity, what do u think this current roster will lead us to? multiple championships? let's get real.

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10/17/2010  1:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/17/2010  1:50 PM
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:No way I trade Mozgov or AR at this point. In fact, I am leaning against trading at all unless (as I have said) it's Gallo and junk. We can't screw up our team and lose all the flexibility we now have just to land Melo. He'll come on his own.

yeah, you can't risk losing franchise calibre talent like Mozgov & AR for some 2nd tier talent like Melo.

didnt you say NO to a KG trade because you were sure the Wolves would want Channing Frye? What changed your philosophy? OR will Moz and AR not hit Frye's level?

show me where i said i'd pass on a Channing Frye for KG trade cuz i don't remember ever saying that... i was in favor of trading for KG & giving up D Lee when you were telling me we'd be stupid to give up future talent for a has been past his prime... KG led the Celtics to a championship the year after.

btw, u still think we were stupid on not extending D Lee to a 6 year contract extension or is AR our new untouchable?

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10/18/2010  12:46 AM
TMS wrote:if Melo isn't on the same planet as those guys then everyone on this current roster isn't in the same universe... ur reasoning that Melo & Amare will equate to 5-6 more years of mediocrity, what do u think this current roster will lead us to? multiple championships? let's get real.

I don't think it's an either/or situation. Right now we are definitely not a championship ready team, but we have flexibility and the potential to get better (primarily because of our cap situation). If we max out a player like Melo, we will be stuck as a 2nd round playoff team for the foreseeable future. I'd rather maintain our flexibility and use our cap on players that will net us more wins, and stockpile talent that we can use to get quality free agents. Capping out Melo limits our options and limits our upside.

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10/18/2010  8:41 AM
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If the Knicks youths keep playing the way they are playing we have nothing to offer for Mello.

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10/18/2010  9:37 AM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If the Knicks youths keep playing the way they are playing we have nothing to offer for Mello.

You said it papabear. Gallo already doesn't want to go so he is going to torpedo the entire team in the process.
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10/18/2010  11:22 AM
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Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If the Knicks youths keep playing the way they are playing we have nothing to offer for Mello.

You said it papabear. Gallo already doesn't want to go so he is going to torpedo the entire team in the process.

It's OK to have a point of view about Gallo's worth etc. But now you have started suggesting he is intentionally playing bad to avoid being traded? I guess you just form and opinion first and then everything that happens is direct proof that you are right?

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10/18/2010  11:46 AM
loweyecue wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If the Knicks youths keep playing the way they are playing we have nothing to offer for Mello.

You said it papabear. Gallo already doesn't want to go so he is going to torpedo the entire team in the process.

It's OK to have a point of view about Gallo's worth etc. But now you have started suggesting he is intentionally playing bad to avoid being traded? I guess you just form and opinion first and then everything that happens is direct proof that you are right?

I never say I'm right or wrong I'm just stating an opinion. If Gallo is bothered about being traded it is going to effect the Knicks in a negative way which will basically sink the Knicks. I'll be the first to say it they need Gallo to step up and be more consistent and I hope he finds the balance in his game. As long as Melo is going to be on the market Gallo will not rest easy and hence his performance will suffer in the process the team will suffer if Gallo takes being traded to heart. He has to just perform regardless of rumors. I don't think that we need to hear that he is hurt by the trade rumors and all that. we get it he doesn't want to go but this is basketball and he isn't getting possibly traded for some Joe he might be traded for one of the best in the game and he should take heart in that.
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10/18/2010  5:31 PM
Vmart wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If the Knicks youths keep playing the way they are playing we have nothing to offer for Mello.

You said it papabear. Gallo already doesn't want to go so he is going to torpedo the entire team in the process.

It's OK to have a point of view about Gallo's worth etc. But now you have started suggesting he is intentionally playing bad to avoid being traded? I guess you just form and opinion first and then everything that happens is direct proof that you are right?

I never say I'm right or wrong I'm just stating an opinion. If Gallo is bothered about being traded it is going to effect the Knicks in a negative way which will basically sink the Knicks. I'll be the first to say it they need Gallo to step up and be more consistent and I hope he finds the balance in his game. As long as Melo is going to be on the market Gallo will not rest easy and hence his performance will suffer in the process the team will suffer if Gallo takes being traded to heart. He has to just perform regardless of rumors. I don't think that we need to hear that he is hurt by the trade rumors and all that. we get it he doesn't want to go but this is basketball and he isn't getting possibly traded for some Joe he might be traded for one of the best in the game and he should take heart in that.

OK that's more reasonable post. I too believe that professional needs to perform irrespective of the rumors. But Gallo was asked a question about the rumors and he said he didn't like it. I don't see why he can't have a position about it and why it obviously follows that one bad shooting day is a direct consequence. He never said anything about his game being affected y the rumors, he just said he didn't like the idea of being traded.

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