iSergio wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:no way--futile move--we will consistently be 2-3 pieces off. It will take getting another star + having our own fleet of potential stars all come together. Anything .01 less is going to end up failing after checking them out. If we trade away Gallo Chandler or Randolph chandler picks--we take a step into a 4 years grave. Only we to possibly counter is add and enhance without removal

Yeah because Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph and Wilson Chandler are going to stop and score on LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, right? You make zero sense BRIGGS. It's like you refuse to acknowledge that Carmelo Anthony is 8-4 lifetime against LeCon and dropped 40 last season, including the game winner. Replace Melo the last 3 years on Denver with Gallo, Randolph and Chandler and that team doesn't even make the Playoffs. The way you overrated this team is disgusting. I mean, one preseason game and you are calling Chandler the next Allan Houston. You have become beyond ridiculous. Thankfully Donnie Walsh is in charge you're not. Chances are you'd trade Amar'e Stoudemire for Hasaan Whiteside.

I feel like the guys we have @ 6-10 6-11 and 6-8 are hard to stop themselves and I feel all could blow up this year. I think Gallo alone could just be better than Melo himself. With what we would ahev to give up--we would be shifting too much for what would amount to be a neutral at BEST and it comes with a massive price tag. Once we do that contract--this is essentially the team--and if you look at it--if we were forced to give up Ranolph Chndler doulgas Mosgov--something like that--it would crunch us--we wouldnt be able to survive a move long term like that.

i said this a few weeks ago and got crucified: we don't need melo. we need to use the cap space to upgrade the backcourt in the summer and hold onto our great young frontcourt pieces.

iSergio wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:no way--futile move--we will consistently be 2-3 pieces off. It will take getting another star + having our own fleet of potential stars all come together. Anything .01 less is going to end up failing after checking them out. If we trade away Gallo Chandler or Randolph chandler picks--we take a step into a 4 years grave. Only we to possibly counter is add and enhance without removal

Yeah because Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph and Wilson Chandler are going to stop and score on LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, right? You make zero sense BRIGGS. It's like you refuse to acknowledge that Carmelo Anthony is 8-4 lifetime against LeCon and dropped 40 last season, including the game winner. Replace Melo the last 3 years on Denver with Gallo, Randolph and Chandler and that team doesn't even make the Playoffs. The way you overrated this team is disgusting. I mean, one preseason game and you are calling Chandler the next Allan Houston. You have become beyond ridiculous. Thankfully Donnie Walsh is in charge you're not. Chances are you'd trade Amar'e Stoudemire for Hasaan Whiteside.

iSergio, I hear you. I understand BRIGGS stand too and many of the other's stand. Briggs is a draft guy and he likes young players that he thinks will pan out. His thing is I told you he would be good, that is what he lives for but there are a lot of Morris Almonds out there too. I disagree with him you need Melo on this team. This team will not get past the Heat with AR/Gallo I truly believe that a combination of AR/Melo will make the Heat sweat in a tough fought series and might even take them down. Star power wins. I want to keep AR/Chandler if a deal for Melo is made as I think these three players help give the Knicks a very good opportunity to win games and take out the elite teams.

BRIGGS wrote:

iSergio wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:no way--futile move--we will consistently be 2-3 pieces off. It will take getting another star + having our own fleet of potential stars all come together. Anything .01 less is going to end up failing after checking them out. If we trade away Gallo Chandler or Randolph chandler picks--we take a step into a 4 years grave. Only we to possibly counter is add and enhance without removal

Yeah because Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph and Wilson Chandler are going to stop and score on LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, right? You make zero sense BRIGGS. It's like you refuse to acknowledge that Carmelo Anthony is 8-4 lifetime against LeCon and dropped 40 last season, including the game winner. Replace Melo the last 3 years on Denver with Gallo, Randolph and Chandler and that team doesn't even make the Playoffs. The way you overrated this team is disgusting. I mean, one preseason game and you are calling Chandler the next Allan Houston. You have become beyond ridiculous. Thankfully Donnie Walsh is in charge you're not. Chances are you'd trade Amar'e Stoudemire for Hasaan Whiteside.

I feel like the guys we have @ 6-10 6-11 and 6-8 are hard to stop themselves and I feel all could blow up this year. I think Gallo alone could just be better than Melo himself. With what we would ahev to give up--we would be shifting too much for what would amount to be a neutral at BEST and it comes with a massive price tag. Once we do that contract--this is essentially the team--and if you look at it--if we were forced to give up Ranolph Chndler doulgas Mosgov--something like that--it would crunch us--we wouldnt be able to survive a move long term like that.

I've stopped reading. You're being irrational.

The Melo thing all comes down to cost. If we get pillaged in the deal then it doesn't make sense. Staying with our youth gives us time to find another CLOSER type player. That player may come in the draft or from another team at some point, but time is still on our side cuz we're so young. Amare IMO will be effective for quite a while if his Knees hold up, which I believe they will. Trading a ton for Melo is a panic move. Right now I say stay with this Detroit Pistons styled TEAM OF REALLY GOOD PLAYERS. IF that proves not to be enough we can still look to make a deal down the line.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I read about how can we match up with Miami, but I think that if the players like AR, Gallo and Chandler develop right, then NY can have 4 scorers on the court and would cause match up problems for the other team! Add to it that each of them are 2 way players!

The argument is that NY needs another star but will 1 more player be enough? NO. If you trade AR and Gallo for Melo, where is your 3rd?
You need depth to beat Miami. Make your second team better than theirs. Make their A players play 40 a night. Then beat them with depth.

Make their second team better than theirs. This is basketball they don't sub entire first unit for second unit at the same time. Do you not realize that Miami has set themselves up to have a star player on the court at all times. they can go with two stars or just one or all three together. Make no mistake they can have a superstar on the floor at all times. If Amare isn't on the floor we basically have the T-Wolves on the floor and T-Wolves are better. Even the Lakers have that Luxury of having Gasol with Kobe. Or Gasol alone or Kobe without Gasol. All you saw in the T-Wolves preseason game was Amare being doubled and tripled. You think they do this if Melo is on the Knicks.

Vmart wrote:Nalod, this terminology Starphuchers is getting out dated. It represents a bad time in all NYK fans life. It represents, Dice and Marbury, Curry technically he never was considered a star to being with. Why wasn't this terminology used when the Knicks got Spree, H20, Larry Johnson. If Amare falls flat on his face as a Knicks than would that constitute starphuching?

word... targetting players like Melo & Amare is not what you would label as a starphuch in a negative sense... those are the types of players you WANT to build your franchise around, elite players at their respective positions... not flawed 3rd tier players with baggage & overpaid contracts like the Stephon Marburys & Zach Randolphs of the world.

Vmart wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:46% sucks for a primary option, especially for a forward. Steve Nash shoots at a higher percentage than Melo.

Nash is also never double teamed. He isn't looked to score. His points come with the threat of his passing ability taken into consideration. If 46% is bad than Kobe must suck.

For the past 3 years Nash has shot over 50% each year FG% and avg about 44% 3pt% and avg 16.4 PPG and 10.3 asst/game.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3103

Nash is a great player and perfect for us. If Phoenix has a poor first half of the season, I hope they look to trade Nash for some young players. But that (trading Nash) is a slim chance.