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tj23
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10/4/2010  2:40 PM
fishmike wrote:the dude is a killer shooter. I mean the post up game is great and taking advantage of size is also great but if he's hitting 40% from downtown that thats 60% from 2 point range. Seems like Gallo's JOB right now is the spread the floor and spot up.

That's a great role for him but spot up shooters are not all stars. That is mainly my point. Not that Gallo is only a spot up shooter but he doesn't come off many screens and doesn't shoot off the dribble much either.
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10/4/2010  2:40 PM
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OjilEye wrote:He does have a tendency to linger around the 3-pt line which can make the offense go stagnant on his side, but let's give him some more pre-season games to show us if he's improved in that aspect.

No doubt. I'm basing this off LAST season. I really like D'Antoni and his staff in terms of player development. I EXPECT improvement.

so shouldn't you have created this thread 5 months ago? what's the point in creating it now after a whole summer where it's been stated that gallo has been in the weightroom and working on his midrange and post games?

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10/4/2010  2:45 PM
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OjilEye wrote:He does have a tendency to linger around the 3-pt line which can make the offense go stagnant on his side, but let's give him some more pre-season games to show us if he's improved in that aspect.

1st preseason game. You have to have multiple games, develop an average before you can say "he has a tendency" to do ANYTHING.

funny as hell reading various analysis after 1game.

Don't get your panties all twisted. Like the OP said, I too, am stating his tendency as an observation from last season and all the games he has played. It IS true; he does a lot of standing around at the 3-pt line waiting for the ball to come to him. While I'm not labeling Danilo as a bust, I agree with the OP that he does not play like Dirk whatsoever, and he IS a shooter.

Once he's played more into this season, then we can further add if he has actually added a more diverse offensive repertoire from last year.

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10/4/2010  2:49 PM
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SupremeCommander wrote:A pre-injury Peja was an All-Star and the go-to shooter on a really good WCF team. If that's Gallo's floor, I can live with it.

But not a carmelo type player. For example BRIGGS thinks he will be just as good if not better which is asking A LOT

Its not a contest--I would not trade Gallo for Melo. I dont care if Gallo is 20% better or 20% worse--he has the ability to score 22-24 points EVERY single night grab 5 rebounds and 3-4 assits. he simply does--he did it in the last 25 games last year--hes going to do it again consistently--yes he needs to diversify away from the 3 pt stripe but he knows this and he will.

I challenge anyone here to tell me Melo is better than Gallo Cahndler picks and cap space--I want to hear the stupid argument becasue thats what it is.


I WANT to see us succeed with the players on the current roster. I would hate to gut it and do what Miami or Boston did. I just dont believe they are good enough, at least not YET. This team is almost built to win now with all the draft picks we are missing and Amare probably going to have 3 or 4 great years left. I think Melo wants to sign with us so i wouldn't give up anymore than an EC expiring along with maybe douglas and ONE of either gallo, chandler, or AR. I wouldn;t want to take the risk that melo works it out with denver or decides he would rather go to chicago. Melo is the sure bet.
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10/4/2010  2:52 PM
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Andrew wrote:This again? tj23 please google "Adjusted FG%" or "Effective FG%" and revise your Wilson Chandler comparison.

I admit those give me a slightly different outlook. I still see good development from all the players and Will is one of those guys who seems unstoppable when he is aggressive going to the basket. It's no mystery Will had an awful year from beyond the arc last season. He was halfway decent in 08-09 but last year he was atrocious. No idea what happened but he showed a nice stroke in the preseason opener.

The guy shot 48% from the field--wt heck is wrong with that? MJ couldn't hit the side of the backboard past 20 feet his first 5 years--how did he turn out? Wilson is a very good young player who should continue to improve. At a fast pace--I cant see why he can avg 18 points with the same 35 minutes per--he cant improve 2.5 points? If he can give me 17-18 46-47% and Gallinari give me 22 on 45%--I feel darn good that we have the 2-3 covered in spades for years.

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10/4/2010  2:53 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
tj23 wrote:
OjilEye wrote:He does have a tendency to linger around the 3-pt line which can make the offense go stagnant on his side, but let's give him some more pre-season games to show us if he's improved in that aspect.

No doubt. I'm basing this off LAST season. I really like D'Antoni and his staff in terms of player development. I EXPECT improvement.

so shouldn't you have created this thread 5 months ago? what's the point in creating it now after a whole summer where it's been stated that gallo has been in the weightroom and working on his midrange and post games?


Because there is no guarantee. I'm putting facts out there. saying he will be better is just speculation. What difference does it make when i post it?
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10/4/2010  2:58 PM
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tj23 wrote:
Andrew wrote:This again? tj23 please google "Adjusted FG%" or "Effective FG%" and revise your Wilson Chandler comparison.

I admit those give me a slightly different outlook. I still see good development from all the players and Will is one of those guys who seems unstoppable when he is aggressive going to the basket. It's no mystery Will had an awful year from beyond the arc last season. He was halfway decent in 08-09 but last year he was atrocious. No idea what happened but he showed a nice stroke in the preseason opener.

The guy shot 48% from the field--wt heck is wrong with that? MJ couldn't hit the side of the backboard past 20 feet his first 5 years--how did he turn out? Wilson is a very good young player who should continue to improve. At a fast pace--I cant see why he can avg 18 points with the same 35 minutes per--he cant improve 2.5 points? If he can give me 17-18 46-47% and Gallinari give me 22 on 45%--I feel darn good that we have the 2-3 covered in spades for years.

I don't think it's fair to bring the greatest player to have played the game into the picture. MJ was an unstoppable workaholic on his game and not everyone will replicate his efforts in the off-season with the same results.

Wilson shot 26.7% from the 3-pt line last year. There is something very wrong with that, for someone we want as our starting SG in a D'Antoni-led offense, no?

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10/4/2010  3:07 PM
tj23 wrote:
fishmike wrote:the dude is a killer shooter. I mean the post up game is great and taking advantage of size is also great but if he's hitting 40% from downtown that thats 60% from 2 point range. Seems like Gallo's JOB right now is the spread the floor and spot up.

That's a great role for him but spot up shooters are not all stars. That is mainly my point. Not that Gallo is only a spot up shooter but he doesn't come off many screens and doesn't shoot off the dribble much either.
lots of great shooters have become all stars.

You keep saying spot up shooter. What does that mean? Does Gallo defend? Does he block shots? Get steals? Rebound?

I think what you saw from Gallo is pretty close to what his season will be. 20ppg, 7rebs, 1.5steals, 1block and shoot about 40% from 3. If thats what we get from our spot up shooter sounds good to me

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10/4/2010  3:37 PM
Gallo plays D, gets steals and blocks. He must improve his rebounding but I think he can. He is a pretty well rounded player at 21 and he will get much better.

I happen to agree with Briggs, Gallo's upside is high and I would not trade him. I think in 2 years he could be better than Melo.

Yep, I said it.

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10/4/2010  3:41 PM
I kind of want Gallo on the outside the majority of the time. His role should be to knock down threes and use his length on defense. Amare and Mozgov can bang in the paint, Chandler, Randolph, Felton can attack the rim. Gallinari can then force them to decide if they need to add extra help in the paint or stay on the outside to stop Gallo from raining 3s on them all game.
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10/5/2010  5:44 AM
Gallo averaged 7 board while playing on the perimeter 95% of the time. I don't think he will be a league leader in boards. Probably not even double double guy consistently, but him working on his post game putting him closer to the basket may get him an extra board or two.

Also the same tools he acquired to score in the post (core strength, footwork) will help him defend there to I stead of just defending perimeter guys.

Fearless prediction:

20 points, 8.5 boards, 1 steal, 1.5 blocks, 50% from the field, while providing solid D.

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10/5/2010  7:43 AM
Gallo will need to expand his game but for now he's got a great opportunity to be a 20 ppg player just by benefitting off of stoudemire and felton. He hasn't played with these types of dominant players before, so i think we will see what he does playing off of them first. I think this season we see him average 18 points, 6 rebs, and shoot 44% from the field and 40% from 3. Next season he will fully expand his game and become a 20 ppg-all around scorer.
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10/5/2010  10:11 AM
Gallo takes an inordinate number of 3's true-that's because it is what the coach wants. He makes them as well as anyone, opens the floor for everyone else, is almost unstoppable because of his length and in his 2nd full year is learning to drive when the opening is there. He is unselfish to a fault, defends reasonably well, decent shot blocker who works at D. What is the flaw?
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10/5/2010  11:24 AM
joec32033 wrote:Gallo averaged 7 board while playing on the perimeter 95% of the time. I don't think he will be a league leader in boards. Probably not even double double guy consistently, but him working on his post game putting him closer to the basket may get him an extra board or two.

Also the same tools he acquired to score in the post (core strength, footwork) will help him defend there to I stead of just defending perimeter guys.

Fearless prediction:

20 points, 8.5 boards, 1 steal, 1.5 blocks, 50% from the field, while providing solid D.

I'm thinking more like 20ppg, 1 steal, 1 block, 44% from the field, good D, 5-6 from the FT line. No way Gallo shoots 50%. He will be taking 10 3's a night. He will diversify his game but his main role will be spreading the floor. I would like to see him shoot 40-42% from downtown. That would be HUGE for us.
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10/5/2010  11:56 AM
fishmike wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Gallo averaged 7 board while playing on the perimeter 95% of the time. I don't think he will be a league leader in boards. Probably not even double double guy consistently, but him working on his post game putting him closer to the basket may get him an extra board or two.

Also the same tools he acquired to score in the post (core strength, footwork) will help him defend there to I stead of just defending perimeter guys.

Fearless prediction:

20 points, 8.5 boards, 1 steal, 1.5 blocks, 50% from the field, while providing solid D.

I'm thinking more like 20ppg, 1 steal, 1 block, 44% from the field, good D, 5-6 from the FT line. No way Gallo shoots 50%. He will be taking 10 3's a night. He will diversify his game but his main role will be spreading the floor. I would like to see him shoot 40-42% from downtown. That would be HUGE for us.

Can Gallo take over a game at the end of the 4th quarter? Can he get his own shot off with 2 guys draped all over him? Can he draw the foul when it's needed?

Does he have that killer instinct and win at all costs mentality?

Those are the questions I wanna know.

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10/5/2010  12:01 PM
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Gallo averaged 7 board while playing on the perimeter 95% of the time. I don't think he will be a league leader in boards. Probably not even double double guy consistently, but him working on his post game putting him closer to the basket may get him an extra board or two.

Also the same tools he acquired to score in the post (core strength, footwork) will help him defend there to I stead of just defending perimeter guys.

Fearless prediction:

20 points, 8.5 boards, 1 steal, 1.5 blocks, 50% from the field, while providing solid D.

I'm thinking more like 20ppg, 1 steal, 1 block, 44% from the field, good D, 5-6 from the FT line. No way Gallo shoots 50%. He will be taking 10 3's a night. He will diversify his game but his main role will be spreading the floor. I would like to see him shoot 40-42% from downtown. That would be HUGE for us.

Can Gallo take over a game at the end of the 4th quarter? Can he get his own shot off with 2 guys draped all over him? Can he draw the foul when it's needed?

Does he have that killer instinct and win at all costs mentality?

Those are the questions I wanna know.

he certainly wants to. He's already taking some vocal leadership. We have seen him step up and take and make big shots.

His ability to do so will be huge this year. Teams will swarm and try to deny Amare the ball in crunchtime because he's going to score or be shooting FTs. Gallo will get a LOT of open looks I'm thinking.

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10/5/2010  12:09 PM
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Gallo averaged 7 board while playing on the perimeter 95% of the time. I don't think he will be a league leader in boards. Probably not even double double guy consistently, but him working on his post game putting him closer to the basket may get him an extra board or two.

Also the same tools he acquired to score in the post (core strength, footwork) will help him defend there to I stead of just defending perimeter guys.

Fearless prediction:

20 points, 8.5 boards, 1 steal, 1.5 blocks, 50% from the field, while providing solid D.

I'm thinking more like 20ppg, 1 steal, 1 block, 44% from the field, good D, 5-6 from the FT line. No way Gallo shoots 50%. He will be taking 10 3's a night. He will diversify his game but his main role will be spreading the floor. I would like to see him shoot 40-42% from downtown. That would be HUGE for us.

Can Gallo take over a game at the end of the 4th quarter? Can he get his own shot off with 2 guys draped all over him? Can he draw the foul when it's needed?

Does he have that killer instinct and win at all costs mentality?

Those are the questions I wanna know.

he certainly wants to. He's already taking some vocal leadership. We have seen him step up and take and make big shots.

His ability to do so will be huge this year. Teams will swarm and try to deny Amare the ball in crunchtime because he's going to score or be shooting FTs. Gallo will get a LOT of open looks I'm thinking.

we saw that from him in the Denver game last year when he scored something like 24 in the second half. He's gotta bring it each and every night. I wanna see that give-me-the-ball mentality, followed by the get-outta-my-way determination.

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10/5/2010  12:17 PM
I feel like this topic makes no sense at all!!

It like saying Amare is just a dunker!

Just simply not true!

Does Gallo take a lot of 3's? Yes without a doubt!! But if he shot more 2's
with his game that way it is he would need to touch ball more to score same amount
of points...... Gallo for his career so far is @ 39% from 3 point line..... He would
need to shoot 60% from 2 point range to get the same production he gets from 3.

Gallo also does a lot of other things on the court VERY WELL .... First he communicates
well with his team. Plays good D ... Rebounds well for a player who is supposed to be playing
the wing position on our team..... Blocks shots ... Passes..... And like the coach said he hits
big shots in big moments!

Gallo @ 21 is better then anyone not named Amare on this team and I believe the coaching staff
agrees with me..... Amare will be our first option for sure but Gallo and his super sweet 3 point
range will be number 2 option on this team..... I for 1 am thrilled with that!!

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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10/5/2010  12:35 PM
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Gallo averaged 7 board while playing on the perimeter 95% of the time. I don't think he will be a league leader in boards. Probably not even double double guy consistently, but him working on his post game putting him closer to the basket may get him an extra board or two.

Also the same tools he acquired to score in the post (core strength, footwork) will help him defend there to I stead of just defending perimeter guys.

Fearless prediction:

20 points, 8.5 boards, 1 steal, 1.5 blocks, 50% from the field, while providing solid D.

I'm thinking more like 20ppg, 1 steal, 1 block, 44% from the field, good D, 5-6 from the FT line. No way Gallo shoots 50%. He will be taking 10 3's a night. He will diversify his game but his main role will be spreading the floor. I would like to see him shoot 40-42% from downtown. That would be HUGE for us.

Can Gallo take over a game at the end of the 4th quarter? Can he get his own shot off with 2 guys draped all over him? Can he draw the foul when it's needed?

Does he have that killer instinct and win at all costs mentality?

Those are the questions I wanna know.

we wont need to know if Gallo is double teamed--wont happen with amare ranolph chandler etc..

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