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LeBron James says race was a factor in backlash to 'The Decision'
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Allanfan20
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10/2/2010  2:05 PM
I would agree with LeBron that race does always play a factor, so in a sense, he's right. The people who are more likely to judge by race are going to get a lot more angry just because he's black. However, this is way beyond race. LeBron is a global megastar and also the so called "Golden Child" or at least used to be percieved that way. He was beloved in basically the entire state of Ohio (Or at least it seems that way) and he took advantage of that but then threw it away. The way he handled that situation was very poor and out of taste. Does he deserve to have the hate thrown at him the way it is? Absolutely not. It's getting pretty out of hand. However, if he didn't toy with Cleveland and 5 other franchises, and just handled this in a much more tasteful manner, then the backlash wouldn't be nearly as strong.

LeBron is acting like he wants to be the bad guy, so he's going to get what he wants. Therefore, he has himself to blame. Not the way people look at his skin.

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10/2/2010  2:16 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:I would agree with LeBron that race does always play a factor, so in a sense, he's right. The people who are more likely to judge by race are going to get a lot more angry just because he's black. However, this is way beyond race. LeBron is a global megastar and also the so called "Golden Child" or at least used to be percieved that way. He was beloved in basically the entire state of Ohio (Or at least it seems that way) and he took advantage of that but then threw it away. The way he handled that situation was very poor and out of taste. Does he deserve to have the hate thrown at him the way it is? Absolutely not. It's getting pretty out of hand. However, if he didn't toy with Cleveland and 5 other franchises, and just handled this in a much more tasteful manner, then the backlash wouldn't be nearly as strong.

LeBron is acting like he wants to be the bad guy, so he's going to get what he wants. Therefore, he has himself to blame. Not the way people look at his skin.

Good post. I was going to post something similar, but you beat me to it.

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10/2/2010  2:19 PM
Can't argue with the data though as much as I hate what he did. If the data presented in the article is correct and I would seriously question its correctness, then race would seem have played a part in this.
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10/2/2010  3:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/2/2010  3:13 PM
loweyecue wrote:Can't argue with the data though as much as I hate what he did. If the data presented in the article is correct and I would seriously question its correctness, then race would seem have played a part in this.

The data just show that luck of class and loyalty is more of an importance to whites that black respondents of this pool.
This 2 thing are a history in America antways so these whites are out of touch with reality.

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10/2/2010  3:30 PM
arkrud wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Can't argue with the data though as much as I hate what he did. If the data presented in the article is correct and I would seriously question its correctness, then race would seem have played a part in this.

The data just show that luck of class and loyalty is more of an importance to whites that black respondents of this pool.
This 2 thing are a history in America antways so these whites are out of touch with reality.

May be may be not, if what you are saying is true then white guy doing this would have gotten the same response from both demographics. It's certainly possible unfortunately there is no data for that.

What I found surprising is how stark the difference in numbers is, which is what would lead me to question the data.

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10/2/2010  3:42 PM
loweyecue wrote:
arkrud wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Can't argue with the data though as much as I hate what he did. If the data presented in the article is correct and I would seriously question its correctness, then race would seem have played a part in this.

The data just show that luck of class and loyalty is more of an importance to whites that black respondents of this pool.
This 2 thing are a history in America antways so these whites are out of touch with reality.

May be may be not, if what you are saying is true then white guy doing this would have gotten the same response from both demographics. It's certainly possible unfortunately there is no data for that.

What I found surprising is how stark the difference in numbers is, which is what would lead me to question the data.

People are always less critical to people alike. This is human nature and it is nothing wrong about it.
To gain respect from all kind of people is not an easy task, and it is very easy to screw it up.
Which LeBron did by listening to a bunch of idiots from his inner circle.

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10/2/2010  4:07 PM
i have a hard time believing had Renaldo Balkman decided to switch teams there would have been the same backlash... this is clearly racism driven.
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10/2/2010  4:43 PM
Didn't Marion Barry get re-elected after getting busted for smoking crack.

Never before Lebron had an athlete conducted such a farce. Remember when the floated the idea of the lebron sneakers branded by city?

I'd be interested to know if they did did a cross tab for education & pro sport allegiances.

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10/2/2010  5:15 PM
In my opinion who cares what others think when you make the $$$$
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10/2/2010  5:39 PM
Papabear Says

If LeBron would have spoke out and gave hints that he was going to Miami or just let the Knicks know that he had no plans of coming to New York. If we knew that we just might have saved some money. LeCon Conned us like he did everyone else. And that TV show!! He said he have the kids 3 million dollars. He could have done other things to raise money for the boys and girls club. LeCon may win 5 championships but he will never be the champ he could have been. His sales are down and his crew has no respect but in Miami. I'll tell you something else. His agent better hold on to LeBron for as long as he can because other agents who has been in it a long time got his number and a plan to move him out.

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10/2/2010  5:56 PM
Racism exists when people of different race live together. Its a reality. There are so many places in the world where racism does not exist. Why? Because in most places they don't live together they simply segregate.

So in a way our imperfection is actually born out of evolution.

Where there is no racism, there is no race difference.

Lebron is right in one respect but not another.

Lebron was like Ali, Jordan, and Tiger. All respected and loved for their talent. They were accepted by the majority and reaped huge riches being a spokesman to all.

The way I see it, Lebrons decision was tolerated more by the black community perhaps in the face of universal criticism the black population sees the white response and feels uncomfortable about that. Especially when Gilbert made his comments and Sharpton made his. Its natural for one group to favor another.

So maybe Lebron is right, but he was the one that put himself on the pedestal.

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10/2/2010  8:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/2/2010  8:41 PM
it was beyond obvious that this kind of comment would create even bigger backlash, since there is no such thing as an honest discussion about race amongst most of us.

when i saw this posted you knew that many would chime in VERY negatively about lebron as narcissistic, etc.

am i saying lebron's "team" is right?

no, but the fact that we dismiss this notion so quickly, the same as when bonds was vilified, and claims that part of the backlash was related to his race and even in the new episodes of ken burns 'baseball' documentary gerald early comments about how the conversation about performance enhancing drugs changed when clemens name entered the conversation. michael vick and michael jackson also come to mind...

i think that lebron and co's response, if this is true, is linked to a history of black athletes being treated differently, and the challenge for some of us less well off financially, white folks' willingness to acknowledge this when we feel either victimized, or not able to see how one can still feel as an "outsider" or "victim" when one has money...

again, do i think this was a good idea to state? no, but we don't live in any such "post-racial world" yet despite our own best intentions of creating it...

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10/2/2010  9:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/2/2010  9:22 PM
PresIke wrote:it was beyond obvious that this kind of comment would create even bigger backlash, since there is no such thing as an honest discussion about race amongst most of us.

when i saw this posted you knew that many would chime in VERY negatively about lebron as narcissistic, etc.

am i saying lebron's "team" is right?

no, but the fact that we dismiss this notion so quickly, the same as when bonds was vilified, and claims that part of the backlash was related to his race and even in the new episodes of ken burns 'baseball' documentary gerald early comments about how the conversation about performance enhancing drugs changed when clemens name entered the conversation. michael vick and michael jackson also come to mind...

i think that lebron and co's response, if this is true, is linked to a history of black athletes being treated differently, and the challenge for some of us less well off financially, white folks' willingness to acknowledge this when we feel either victimized, or not able to see how one can still feel as an "outsider" or "victim" when one has money...

again, do i think this was a good idea to state? no, but we don't live in any such "post-racial world" yet despite our own best intentions of creating it...

I think what you're saying is reasonable, but I think those are some pretty bad examples. Bonds got a harsher backlash in part because the general media-driven feeling is steroids help in hitting home runs and that's it. Clemens is a pitcher, I think that had a lot to do with a lesser reaction, not to mention the multitude of players that were suddenly in the same boat. Either way, the media's holy war sensation against steroids got beyond ridiculous. Michael Vick participated in dog fighting, which is utterly despicable. Michael Jackson was one of the best selling music artists of all-time; I would assume the child molestation accusations had the most impact on how he was perceived.

I think in LeBron's case, this board was almost unanimously against his actions and there are definitely a mixture of personalities and backgrounds here. If the information provided by those Q scores is to be taken seriously, I guess we'd have to know more about them, how they were collected, where, etc... Maybe they didn't poll educated sports fans? Who knows?

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10/2/2010  11:28 PM
I think, 'The Decision' was a huge mistake and a big ego fest. However, I don't think there was anything wrong with his comments in his interview with Soledad Obrien. He was asked a question and responded honestly. I hated, 'The Decision', and I lost a lot of respect for LeBron. However, I think in this scenario he is just honestly responding to a question. Here is a link to the interview if you have only read his comments in print.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/01/lebron-james-race-and-%E2%80%98the-decision%E2%80%99/

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10/2/2010  11:58 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I think, 'The Decision' was a huge mistake and a big ego fest. However, I don't think there was anything wrong with his comments in his interview with Soledad Obrien. He was asked a question and responded honestly. I hated, 'The Decision', and I lost a lot of respect for LeBron. However, I think in this scenario he is just honestly responding to a question. Here is a link to the interview if you have only read his comments in print.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/01/lebron-james-race-and-%E2%80%98the-decision%E2%80%99/

Youre right he was simply responding to a question honestly. What I find annoying about it is that he doesnt seem to get why everybody was so annoyed with him. Its just him making an excuse and not getting it.

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10/3/2010  2:02 AM
You guys are missing the boat. This is all about self-esteem, guilt, and most likely some the James' sycophants trying to coddle and mollify their golden goose.

This rationalizing and denial will allow Queen James to feel good about himself when he looks in the mirror. It is a cynical and face-saving spin, and most definitely untrue.

Just another reason to not respect the little man who would be king.

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10/3/2010  4:59 AM
thıs guy ıs a moron and hıs PR 'team' (AKA freeriding homeslices) is the worst ever assembled.

'LBJ, I know how we can appeal to the whıte audıence agaın--PLAY THE RACE CARD!!!'

come the eff on

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10/3/2010  10:06 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:thıs guy ıs a moron and hıs PR 'team' (AKA freeriding homeslices) is the worst ever assembled.

'LBJ, I know how we can appeal to the whıte audıence agaın--PLAY THE RACE CARD!!!'

come the eff on

Play the race card? How did he play the race card when he responded honestly to a question? He didn't get behind a soap box with a prepared statement.

O'BRIEN: "Do you think there's a role that race plays in this?"

JAMES: "I think so, at times. It's always, you know, a race factor."

This is all he said. So please explain again how he used a race card?

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10/3/2010  10:27 AM
Correction

"So maybe Lebron is right, but he was the one that put himself on the pedestal."

Naold - who made the decision to sell millions of dollars of advertising around a high school basketball game on national television?

Certainly not 17 year old Lebron James.

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10/3/2010  10:45 AM
Uptown wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:thıs guy ıs a moron and hıs PR 'team' (AKA freeriding homeslices) is the worst ever assembled.

'LBJ, I know how we can appeal to the whıte audıence agaın--PLAY THE RACE CARD!!!'

come the eff on

Play the race card? How did he play the race card when he responded honestly to a question? He didn't get behind a soap box with a prepared statement.

O'BRIEN: "Do you think there's a role that race plays in this?"

JAMES: "I think so, at times. It's always, you know, a race factor."

This is all he said. So please explain again how he used a race card?

Responding to a question is not an excuse for coming across like self absorbed d-bag. If your wife asks you whether or not she gained weight, would "answering the question honestly" be an appropriate excuse?

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LeBron James says race was a factor in backlash to 'The Decision'

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