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Nalod
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Don't think I have seen a poll. Just lots of redundant commnets.
No Melo. High scoring low % punk who is not "A" list superstar.
No melo if Gally/AR involved in trade. Don't dilute a team he comes to.
Sign Melo as free ageint. Why pay if you can get him for free?
Offer Chandler and 2 GS picks for Nuggs to save face or lose him for nothing mid season.
Melo is god, get him at any cost. Stars don't come on market that often!
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OasisBU
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9/30/2010  9:16 PM
loweyecue wrote:I guess the question is if you know you wont get Melo later if you don't trade for him now, would you still feel the same way? I have been wanting to trade for Melo ever since this thing started, but the selfishness reports are starting to turn me off a bit. I was under the impression he had become more of a team player since Billups got to Denver but doesn't seem to be the case based on what I am reading now. MDA is high on character guys and hates selfish players would he really want Melo?

Do you think we can beat Boston or Miami in a 7 game series without another star like Melo? And with nobody else on his level available who would you propose we go after to help us compete?

Seriously - the Heat are no joke and the only way to beat them is to get a guy like Melo to pair with Amare while keeping our depth. An off season grabbing those two would be HUGE as long as we keep a supporting cast and a bench.

I'm not sure if it's possible to do that though.

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9/30/2010  9:42 PM
OasisBU wrote:Do you think we can beat Boston or Miami in a 7 game series without another star like Melo? And with nobody else on his level available who would you propose we go after to help us compete?

Seriously - the Heat are no joke and the only way to beat them is to get a guy like Melo to pair with Amare while keeping our depth. An off season grabbing those two would be HUGE as long as we keep a supporting cast and a bench.

I'm not sure if it's possible to do that though.

For us to beat Boston or Miami in a 7 game series, we need 2 stars beside Amare, not 1, and a deep bench. Trading for Melo does not get us closer since we would lose potential stars and good role players in the trade. Any scenario where we can get another star after trading for Melo (CP3 signing) is more possible if we don't trade for Melo. We have more cap flexibility without Melo.

I would argue that we are actually closer to being a 'championship' team now, than after trading for Melo. Melo needs to come to us as a 16mm FA, not a 20mm FA if we are going for a championship. If he doesn't, then we need to build with the team we have (hope our players improve), and nab a true max player (CP3, Deron Williams). To me, Carmelo is a Joe Johnson type max FA. He's not worth it and he's too one dimensional.

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9/30/2010  9:46 PM
@Nalod smart, starting a poll.
Had enough Melo?
loweyecue
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9/30/2010  11:30 PM
OasisBU wrote:
loweyecue wrote:I guess the question is if you know you wont get Melo later if you don't trade for him now, would you still feel the same way? I have been wanting to trade for Melo ever since this thing started, but the selfishness reports are starting to turn me off a bit. I was under the impression he had become more of a team player since Billups got to Denver but doesn't seem to be the case based on what I am reading now. MDA is high on character guys and hates selfish players would he really want Melo?

Do you think we can beat Boston or Miami in a 7 game series without another star like Melo? And with nobody else on his level available who would you propose we go after to help us compete?

Seriously - the Heat are no joke and the only way to beat them is to get a guy like Melo to pair with Amare while keeping our depth. An off season grabbing those two would be HUGE as long as we keep a supporting cast and a bench.

I'm not sure if it's possible to do that though.

Honestly, I don't think this team can beat the heat with or without Melo, that is what makes me sometimes question the wisdom of doing this. You would have to add Melo AND CP3 to pull somewhere close to Miami, even then it would be hard to beat them. Basically we can't outstarphuck miami at this point. We need to rely on chemistry and balance. So that's where I am starting to have doubts about Melo and his selfishness issues.

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9/30/2010  11:38 PM
Go after him when he's a FA. I'm not living in fear of not getting him. I think we're on a good course regardless. Why dilute the team just to get him early when he may just be there later anyway?
TMS
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10/1/2010  2:39 AM
i vote for "Get Melo if you can keep either Gallo or AR in the process"
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Nalod
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10/1/2010  7:50 AM
loweyecue wrote:Where would Gallo play when Melo is here? Melo would hurt his development. Not really sure what we would do with both. You can't have evrything, Gallo and change for Melo is a fair trade. I really like Gallo and I won't be super disappointed if we don't get Melo, but if we do then we should ship Gallo out.

Good point, but gallo could be a big trading asset to get the coveted third player such as cp3 or Rubio.

We as knick fans should never give io hope another savior could decent fro me the heavens and lead us to the new Jerselam.

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10/1/2010  8:08 AM
im all for signing him as a FA
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10/1/2010  8:43 AM
Nalod wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Where would Gallo play when Melo is here? Melo would hurt his development. Not really sure what we would do with both. You can't have evrything, Gallo and change for Melo is a fair trade. I really like Gallo and I won't be super disappointed if we don't get Melo, but if we do then we should ship Gallo out.

Good point, but gallo could be a big trading asset to get the coveted third player such as cp3 or Rubio.

We as knick fans should never give io hope another savior could decent fro me the heavens and lead us to the new Jerselam.

If Hedo could do it, so can Gallo.

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loweyecue
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10/1/2010  4:53 PM
I don't how that would work on defense.
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10/1/2010  5:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/1/2010  7:00 PM
TMS wrote:i vote for "Get Melo if you can keep either Gallo or AR in the process"

+1. Too bad that wasn't one of the choices because it's really the scenario that makes the most sense (and I'd like to move Gallo & keep AR if it boiled down to it. I realize I'm in the minority there but that's fine -- it's obvious to me which player of the two would better compliment Amar'e/Melo and the rest of our team). I don't for the life of me see how anyone around here expects Carmelo to be there next off-season -- the man wants this situation resolved ASAP. And on our end, he's way too good an upgrade for us to not be involved at all. As of right now this man really wants the Knicks but if we play this too cool (as in not showing any interest at all) we run the risk of losing him. NY is obviously his #1 choice but if we don't show him we're serious about acquiring him by refusing to get involved or if we maintain what feels like a lukewarm interest and decide to make nothing but lowball offers (if that's even what's happening--I have no idea how serious Knick brass is about getting this guy, they're very hard to read), he very well might say to himself, "OK, F it..Let's go to NJ. I can't wait around for NY forever. I gave them enough time. Sorry STAT. I tried." That wouldn't make me too happy, knowing that we had a chance at one point to strike a fair, sensible deal for a top proven all-star level NBA player right smack in his prime and blew it to the point where we screwed ourselves into playing 2nd fiddle to the Miami Heat for the next 5+ years (and what probably amounts to the duration of Amar'e's tenure as a Knick, as a top flight player at least)..There are a few variables that tell me without a doubt that team Melo wants closure to this ASAP --- specifically (1) the volatile situation he's set to face for 41 home games this year playing the season out in front of a betrayed/hostile Denver crowd (and that's not even taking into account what he'll have to deal with off the court just trying to live in that community), not to mention team management and even the players that might feel a sense of hopelessness and betrayal as well--the last thing Denver management would want would be for their next best players to all throw the towel in on this season before it even began---the further they continue in Denver with Melo on the team, the greater chance there is for a complete domino effect of negativity. You can't tell me that won't be a difficult situation to play through for an entire year for anyone envolved) and (2) the man runs the huge risk of losing millions with the new collective bargaining agreement. There's no guarantee that 2011 FAs will be grandfathered into anything. Where does it say that?? The new agreement hasn't even been drafted up yet. That's pure speculation, not reality...As long as we maintain a legit offer w/o going overboard which is what I've maintained right from the beginning (and who knows what we've really offered so far if anything), then I'm at peace with the entire situation. And I'm sure Melo will be too. The best case scenario for us is for Melo to become angry and impatient with Denver for refusing to work with him & the Knicks, not for him to lose patience with us and settle for his second best destination in order to get at least half of what he originally wanted. That's how I'll continue to look at this..

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10/1/2010  8:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/1/2010  8:39 PM
If Melo wants the Knicks AND he wants to win chips, it's in his interest to be as patient as WE are being. That way, he maintains his leverage. If he panics (e.g., due to the looming CBA expiration) or because he just wants to get extended/paid NOW, then he's evn less the sort of player we need than it would seem.

Patience is key here. I am not saying "don't give up Gallo" because it may come down to that. I am just saying don't throw out the bath with the bath water, because having Melo but gutting our core = no chips for the indefinite future. I am not interested injust watching Melo in orange and blue. If we have a team that contends, great. But giving up too much to sign a volume shooter who rebounds sporadically and plays little D... well, that makes no sense.

We have something special brewing here, to which it would be lovely to ADD a scorer like Melo. Let's hope we can do that effectively. When it all comes down, Gallo + Curry + some picks + cash should be our absolute final offer, take it or leave it sort of deal.

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10/2/2010  1:03 AM
Finestrg wrote:
TMS wrote:i vote for "Get Melo if you can keep either Gallo or AR in the process"

+1. Too bad that wasn't one of the choices because it's really the scenario that makes the most sense (and I'd like to move Gallo & keep AR if it boiled down to it. I realize I'm in the minority there but that's fine -- it's obvious to me which player of the two would better compliment Amar'e/Melo and the rest of our team). I don't for the life of me see how anyone around here expects Carmelo to be there next off-season -- the man wants this situation resolved ASAP. And on our end, he's way too good an upgrade for us to not be involved at all. As of right now this man really wants the Knicks but if we play this too cool (as in not showing any interest at all) we run the risk of losing him. NY is obviously his #1 choice but if we don't show him we're serious about acquiring him by refusing to get involved or if we maintain what feels like a lukewarm interest and decide to make nothing but lowball offers (if that's even what's happening--I have no idea how serious Knick brass is about getting this guy, they're very hard to read), he very well might say to himself, "OK, F it..Let's go to NJ. I can't wait around for NY forever. I gave them enough time. Sorry STAT. I tried." That wouldn't make me too happy, knowing that we had a chance at one point to strike a fair, sensible deal for a top proven all-star level NBA player right smack in his prime and blew it to the point where we screwed ourselves into playing 2nd fiddle to the Miami Heat for the next 5+ years (and what probably amounts to the duration of Amar'e's tenure as a Knick, as a top flight player at least)..There are a few variables that tell me without a doubt that team Melo wants closure to this ASAP --- specifically (1) the volatile situation he's set to face for 41 home games this year playing the season out in front of a betrayed/hostile Denver crowd (and that's not even taking into account what he'll have to deal with off the court just trying to live in that community), not to mention team management and even the players that might feel a sense of hopelessness and betrayal as well--the last thing Denver management would want would be for their next best players to all throw the towel in on this season before it even began---the further they continue in Denver with Melo on the team, the greater chance there is for a complete domino effect of negativity. You can't tell me that won't be a difficult situation to play through for an entire year for anyone envolved) and (2) the man runs the huge risk of losing millions with the new collective bargaining agreement. There's no guarantee that 2011 FAs will be grandfathered into anything. Where does it say that?? The new agreement hasn't even been drafted up yet. That's pure speculation, not reality...As long as we maintain a legit offer w/o going overboard which is what I've maintained right from the beginning (and who knows what we've really offered so far if anything), then I'm at peace with the entire situation. And I'm sure Melo will be too. The best case scenario for us is for Melo to become angry and impatient with Denver for refusing to work with him & the Knicks, not for him to lose patience with us and settle for his second best destination in order to get at least half of what he originally wanted. That's how I'll continue to look at this..

i agree 100%... if we stand around with our hands on our nuts while guys like Melo get dealt to other teams, we are just gonna end up spinning our wheels waiting for another savior to come along to lust over in 2011... it's time we made a move to get good again... we took step one by getting Amare... time to take the next step & get Melo... if the price is right & you can still hold onto either Gallo or AR (i also agree that AR is probably a better compliment but i don't really care if he has to be the one to go either) then it's a no brainer AFAIC... Donnie better stop waiting around or else he'll end up with nothing but a hand full of crusty ol' wrinkled ballsack & a 40 something winning game winner.

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10/2/2010  1:06 AM
You guys that are hard up to get Melo, I ask you this question. If you had a chance to get either Chauncey or Melo, who would you rather get?
Rose is not the answer.
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10/2/2010  1:09 AM
knickstorrents wrote:You guys that are hard up to get Melo, I ask you this question. If you had a chance to get either Chauncey or Melo, who would you rather get?

depends on the cost for both... i wouldn't give up Gallo to get Chauncey if that's what you're asking... i would to get Melo tho.

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10/2/2010  9:09 AM
Would you rather have Chauncey as a FA or Melo as a FA. You can't get both.
Rose is not the answer.
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10/2/2010  12:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/2/2010  12:15 PM
knickstorrents wrote:Would you rather have Chauncey as a FA or Melo as a FA. You can't get both.

depends on the cost once again... if your'e telling me we can spend max dollars on either Melo or Chauncey, i take Melo every time.

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10/2/2010  12:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/2/2010  2:24 PM
TMS wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:Would you rather have Chauncey as a FA or Melo as a FA. You can't get both.

depends on the cost once again... if your'e telling me we can spend max dollars on either Melo or Chauncey, i take Melo every time.

Absolutely. And what's up with the sudden facination with Chauncey Billups btw? The man just turned 34-years-old and while he still has some gas left in the tank (dude's a solid lead guard, an NBA champion and now a world champion -- not trying to take anything away from him), how does he fit here now that we've reconstructed the team? How could you even think about choosing Billups over Anthony if given a choice between the two? Come on now...What would we do with Ray Felton &/or TD? I think Felton is gonna really surprise people this year. TD too. And I take back what I've been saying about TD -- we're fine with him as our backup PG. More than fine actually. I believe he'll continue rounding out nicely---he's yet another diamond-in-the-rough type guy that I gotta give Donnie and co. credit for targeting and getting... I even think if Felton ever went down for a temporary stretch God forbid, TD would fill in admirably. We're fine right now at the point folks. Could we still use another ball-handler at some point for some additional depth? Sure but I think we're pretty damn good at the point as is, as good as most other teams in the league....And speaking of Felton, I ask the people that are saying 'forget Melo, we have Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Tony Parker to look forward to' a question: If Felton runs the offense capably which I fully expect, and also climbs the ladder in terms of his own personal numbers (say he goes for 15-17 ppg, over 1.5 steals, somewhere between 8-9 apg, maybe more) and most importantly the team is thriving, will we really want CP3, D-Will or Parker instead when the time comes? First off they'll probably cost a lot more, esp. Paul & Williams, and 2nd, I'm not convinced those guys could bring that much more to the party in terms of overall numbers and team success---that's if Felton finally takes the next step which I'm hoping for. Give Felton a chance here--I'm as anxious to see what Felton's all about above just about any player we have. It's gonna start with him and I think he's up for this challenge. He certainly has the talent for it..Chis Duhon was a stopgap point as soon as he walked in the door and we overpayed for him to take a short-term contract -- we all knew that was the case. We overpayed for Duhon in order to gain flexibility when the time came...I don't feel that way about Felton at all however..I think if this guy plays well as I expect, we'll be thinking about extending him in 2 years, not dismissing him..We'll have to see...First glimpse tomorrow at 12..Beyond excited right now fellas, I cant wait!!!

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