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ESPN: Carmelo Anthony trade talks heat up (Melo to Nets talk here)
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9/24/2010  2:34 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Knixkik wrote:If melo agrees to this so be it. Let him rot thru his prime in mediocricy with an overrated lopez and no supporting cast. We can get Parker instead and still retain our young guys and be much better off. I still want him but if he wants to go to nj let him. We have plenty of other chances to get better.

No supporting cast?

- Lopez while overrated but can still put up 20/10. Obviously so can Chris Kaman but you get my point.

- Terrence Williams has pathetic offense but he can play SG next to Melo and provide solid defense and ball handling.

- Morrow is their shooter off the bench

- Farmar = Duhon or Steroids

- Outlaw is a solid scorer and wingman off the bench

- Troy Murphies expiring deal should allow them to get some talent back. Maybe Zach Randolph? Who knows?

- Plus they got Damian Jones in the draft.

uh, yeah. that's pretty pathetic.

he's coming from a team that surrounded him with:

Chauncey Billups / Ty Lawson
JR Smith
Kleiza
Kenyon Martin
Nene / Camby

that's a loaded team. New Jersey will not be loaded for a long time. Melo should think about this one.

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9/24/2010  2:36 PM
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Knixkik wrote:If melo agrees to this so be it. Let him rot thru his prime in mediocricy with an overrated lopez and no supporting cast. We can get Parker instead and still retain our young guys and be much better off. I still want him but if he wants to go to nj let him. We have plenty of other chances to get better.

No supporting cast?

- Lopez while overrated but can still put up 20/10. Obviously so can Chris Kaman but you get my point.

- Terrence Williams has pathetic offense but he can play SG next to Melo and provide solid defense and ball handling.

- Morrow is their shooter off the bench

- Farmar = Duhon or Steroids

- Outlaw is a solid scorer and wingman off the bench

- Troy Murphies expiring deal should allow them to get some talent back. Maybe Zach Randolph? Who knows?

- Plus they got Damian Jones in the draft.

uh, yeah. that's pretty pathetic.

he's coming from a team that surrounded him with:

Chauncey Billups / Ty Lawson
JR Smith
Kleiza
Kenyon Martin
Nene / Camby

that's a loaded team. New Jersey will not be loaded for a long time. Melo should think about this one.

Moving from the Western conference to Eastern conference negates most of that. Point is Denver doesn't have Kleiza or Camby anymore and Billups is getting old.

Lets not act like we have a 50+ win roster. We need Gallo and Randolph to make some serious strides for us to be clearly better than the Nets.

For all we know we could end up at the bottom of our division.

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9/24/2010  2:37 PM
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crzymdups wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski WojYahooNBA

'Melo still has heart set on Knicks but case being made to him Nets are compromise he'll have to accept to get his full money and NY market.

Melo turning down money? Not happening.

This is just one more reason for me to hate the Nets.

This is so frustrating to me as a fan. I mean, I know $26M is $26M but Carmelo Anthony can easily make up MOST of that back with endorsements. I mean, look at what Amar'e Stoudemire did this summer. You don't think he made a couple of extra millions doing all those commercials for Nike and ESPN?

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9/24/2010  2:39 PM
iSergio wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski WojYahooNBA

'Melo still has heart set on Knicks but case being made to him Nets are compromise he'll have to accept to get his full money and NY market.

Melo turning down money? Not happening.

This is just one more reason for me to hate the Nets.

This is so frustrating to me as a fan. I mean, I know $26M is $26M but Carmelo Anthony can easily make up MOST of that back with endorsements. I mean, look at what Amar'e Stoudemire did this summer. You don't think he made a couple of extra millions doing all those commercials for Nike and ESPN?

Why not make the money AND endorsements? I recall Vince Carter getting plenty commercials while in New Jersey.

Look at it from Carmelo's point of view. He gets to be in NYC and gets his guaranteed money before he steps foot on the court. Kind of a no brainer.

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9/24/2010  2:40 PM
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Moving from the Western conference to Eastern conference negates most of that. Point is Denver doesn't have Kleiza or Camby anymore and Billups is getting old.

Lets not act like we have a 50+ win roster. We need Gallo and Randolph to make some serious strides for us to be clearly better than the Nets.

For all we know we could end up at the bottom of our division.

that is patently ridiculous.

in case you missed the memo, Boozer, Amare came East and no one went West.

that Nets team will be lucky to be better than Charlotte.

The Knicks have cap flexibility to add to a balanced, solid core. The Knicks are in a much better position than the Nets if the Nets make this trade. It's a dumb move for Melo. He'll be Marbury 2 - all alone.

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9/24/2010  2:43 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuyGocKVvjegKE7VKGo9a6Y5nYcB?slug=aw-netsanthony092410

The New Jersey Nets are working feverishly to acquire All-Star Carmelo Anthony(notes) and are in the construction stage of a complicated, multi-team trade, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
Anthony is unhappy with the Nuggets' instability.

Nothing is imminent in the next 24 hours, but Denver and New Jersey are having ongoing discussions centered on No. 3 overall pick Derrick Favors(notes) and future first-round picks going back to the Nuggets. The proposed trade also would involve the Utah Jazz and Charlotte Bobcats. Under the proposal, league sources said the Nets would also send point guard Devin Harris to the Bobcats, who would move forward Boris Diaw to the Jazz, who send forward Andrei Kirilenko to the Nuggets to complete what one front-office source described as a “very complicated” deal.

One league executive said the Nets believe they’re “getting there” on a trade for Anthony.

The Nets want to get a deal done before Anthony reports to training camp in Denver next week because league officials think the Nuggets will start working to convince him to stay.

Anthony still has heart set on the New York Knicks, but a case is being made to him the Nets are a compromise he’ll have to accept to get his $65 million extension and get into the metropolitan N.Y. market. The Nets won’t agree to a deal for Anthony without an extension agreed upon.

Anthony also prefers a trade to the Chicago Bulls, but Denver refuses to do a deal with the Bulls that doesn’t include center Joakim Noah(notes), and so far Bulls officials have refused to put him into any deal.

Anthony has refused to sign a three-year, $65 million extension with the Nuggets and has made it clear to team officials he’s not comfortable with the franchise’s stability. There’s unrest within the organization, where George Karl’s top assistant, Tim Grgurich, has left, league sources said. Grgurich has told friends he’s angry about the franchise’s refusal to retain former general manager Mark Warkentien. Karl is now without his two most trusted confidants in the organization, Warkentien and Grgurich.

Forward Kenyon Martin(notes) and guards J.R. Smith(notes) and Arron Afflalo(notes) will be free agents after this season and center Nene could join them if he opts out of the final year of his contract. Point guard Chauncey Billups(notes) also could hit the market because the Nuggets are obligated to pay only $3.7 million of his $14.2 million salary for 2011-12 if he’s waived at the end of the season.

With so much uncertainty surrounding the Nuggets, Anthony would like to be traded before the season starts.

Larry Brown has been hesitant to trade Boris Diaw; his objections helped kill a proposed trade of Diaw to Toronto for point guard Jose Calderon this summer. However, with Tyrus Thomas re-signed to a $40 million extension, Brown is more inclined to part with Diaw to bring back Harris, an upgrade over D.J. Augustin at point guard.

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9/24/2010  2:44 PM
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:

Moving from the Western conference to Eastern conference negates most of that. Point is Denver doesn't have Kleiza or Camby anymore and Billups is getting old.

Lets not act like we have a 50+ win roster. We need Gallo and Randolph to make some serious strides for us to be clearly better than the Nets.

For all we know we could end up at the bottom of our division.

that is patently ridiculous.

in case you missed the memo, Boozer, Amare came East and no one went West.

that Nets team will be lucky to be better than Charlotte.

The Knicks have cap flexibility to add to a balanced, solid core. The Knicks are in a much better position than the Nets if the Nets make this trade. It's a dumb move for Melo. He'll be Marbury 2 - all alone.

All I know is Carmelo will be feasting on fools in the Eastern Conference. They may not be a top seed but if you got Melo I say your chances are pretty dam good.

Oh and trading Harris(aka Crawford lite) is addition by subtraction.

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9/24/2010  2:45 PM
I thought the whole point of melo leaving was to compete with Mia. Might as well just stay for now and walk at the end of the year for chi/ny or wherever but that nj team would have to keep favors or harris for it to be worth going there.
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9/24/2010  2:47 PM
kberg saying it is a complicated deal and charlotte wants to get more cap relief before agreeing... and melo has yet to agree to go there... this could all just be a fantasy trade at present:
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/24791989

The most important contingency, however, is Anthony agreeing to sign an extension with the Nets. "That's the only way it gets done," said one of the people involved. Anthony has balked at signing a three-year, $65 million extension with Denver, opting instead to push for a trade.

Though the scenario above is "nowhere near" completion, one of the participants said, Anthony now has something to think about. While he's intrigued by the prospect of playing for billionaire owner Mikhail Prokhorov and the Nets' move to Brooklyn in two years, New Jersey "hasn't been the leader in the clubhouse, by any means" in terms of teams Anthony has been pushing to acquire him. The Nets have prompted the deepest discussions so far because, from Denver's perspective, they have the most attractive assets to offer -- and the means to involve other teams that can add whatever Denver is seeking that New Jersey lacks (in this case, Kirilenko).

Another factor making this negotiation as difficult as the aforementioned exexutive described is whether Charlotte -- a team in cost-cutting mode -- will be willing to take on Harris and the $26.8 million he is owed over the next three seasons. Harris' contract runs one year longer than Diaw's, so the Bobcats would have to get some other form of cap relief to make this work, sources said.

Other executives monitoring the Melodrama speculated that the discussions hatched weeks ago are being publicized now -- just days before training camp opens -- by the Nuggets in an effort to attract better offers from other teams. Also, urgency exists on the part of the teams pursuing Anthony, for fear that coach George Karl and veteran point guard Chauncey Billups would be able to change Anthony's mind about wanting to be traded once they got a chance to be around him on a daily basis.

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9/24/2010  2:48 PM
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All I know is Carmelo will be feasting on fools in the Eastern Conference. They may not be a top seed but if you got Melo I say your chances are pretty dam good.

Oh and trading Harris(aka Crawford lite) is addition by subtraction.

i don't see Melo feasting anymore than Amare and Gallo and AR and Felton.

or do the Knicks not play in the watered-down East as well?

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9/24/2010  2:49 PM
tj23 wrote:I thought the whole point of melo leaving was to compete with Mia. Might as well just stay for now and walk at the end of the year for chi/ny or wherever but that nj team would have to keep favors or harris for it to be worth going there.

The whole point of Melo leaving is to not be in Denver. Losing Harris(aka Crawford lite) and Favors will not break that 12 win team.

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9/24/2010  2:50 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:

Moving from the Western conference to Eastern conference negates most of that. Point is Denver doesn't have Kleiza or Camby anymore and Billups is getting old.

Lets not act like we have a 50+ win roster. We need Gallo and Randolph to make some serious strides for us to be clearly better than the Nets.

For all we know we could end up at the bottom of our division.

that is patently ridiculous.

in case you missed the memo, Boozer, Amare came East and no one went West.

that Nets team will be lucky to be better than Charlotte.

The Knicks have cap flexibility to add to a balanced, solid core. The Knicks are in a much better position than the Nets if the Nets make this trade. It's a dumb move for Melo. He'll be Marbury 2 - all alone.

All I know is Carmelo will be feasting on fools in the Eastern Conference. They may not be a top seed but if you got Melo I say your chances are pretty dam good.

Oh and trading Harris(aka Crawford lite) is addition by subtraction.

you overrate melo so much it's a joke.

gotta admit tho i'm no harris fan either.

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9/24/2010  2:56 PM
Marv wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:

Moving from the Western conference to Eastern conference negates most of that. Point is Denver doesn't have Kleiza or Camby anymore and Billups is getting old.

Lets not act like we have a 50+ win roster. We need Gallo and Randolph to make some serious strides for us to be clearly better than the Nets.

For all we know we could end up at the bottom of our division.

that is patently ridiculous.

in case you missed the memo, Boozer, Amare came East and no one went West.

that Nets team will be lucky to be better than Charlotte.

The Knicks have cap flexibility to add to a balanced, solid core. The Knicks are in a much better position than the Nets if the Nets make this trade. It's a dumb move for Melo. He'll be Marbury 2 - all alone.

All I know is Carmelo will be feasting on fools in the Eastern Conference. They may not be a top seed but if you got Melo I say your chances are pretty dam good.

Oh and trading Harris(aka Crawford lite) is addition by subtraction.

you overrate melo so much it's a joke.

gotta admit tho i'm no harris fan either.

Maybe I do overate Melo but the guy is a beast. I always get a kick out of Melo blowing a defender's face off with a jumper in their face.

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9/24/2010  3:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/24/2010  3:00 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Marv wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:

Moving from the Western conference to Eastern conference negates most of that. Point is Denver doesn't have Kleiza or Camby anymore and Billups is getting old.

Lets not act like we have a 50+ win roster. We need Gallo and Randolph to make some serious strides for us to be clearly better than the Nets.

For all we know we could end up at the bottom of our division.

that is patently ridiculous.

in case you missed the memo, Boozer, Amare came East and no one went West.

that Nets team will be lucky to be better than Charlotte.

The Knicks have cap flexibility to add to a balanced, solid core. The Knicks are in a much better position than the Nets if the Nets make this trade. It's a dumb move for Melo. He'll be Marbury 2 - all alone.

All I know is Carmelo will be feasting on fools in the Eastern Conference. They may not be a top seed but if you got Melo I say your chances are pretty dam good.

Oh and trading Harris(aka Crawford lite) is addition by subtraction.

you overrate melo so much it's a joke.

gotta admit tho i'm no harris fan either.

Maybe I do overate Melo but the guy is a beast. I always get a kick out of Melo blowing a defender's face off with a jumper in their face.

I always get a kick out of Melo beasting around the rim and i swear he'd be twice the player he is if he worked the baseline and the paint more instead of being out on the perimeter so much.

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9/24/2010  3:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/24/2010  3:34 PM
Marc Stein's .02

"Put me down as (A) rather impressed by Chicago's salvage signings after it missed out on the big names, (B) picking the Bulls to win their division and (C) firmly in the camp opposed to giving up Noah in a trade for Melo"

Gonna be a crazy season. After all this debate it's gonna be fun to watch what happens with whatever team Melo is on.

btw just got an email from a friend. don't know who he forwarded it from but:

"Both Woj and Marc Stein have reported that Melo is thisclose to heading to the Nets in a 4 way deal.

If the reports are correct, the Nuggets will land former All-Star and multiple time All-NBA Defender Andrei Kirilenko; third overall pick Derrick Favors; and multiple first round picks in exchange for ‘Melo.

If this comes to fruition (and ‘Melo will have to indicate a willingness to sign an extension with the Nets before it does), the Knicks had no shot. In my opinion they couldn’t have competed with a deal like this even if they still had Jordan Hill and their 2012 first rounder.

That won’t stop the second-guessers but haters gonna hate. In the meantime, fans get to see the development of their young, potential star players, who, hopefully, will have us saying “Carmelo who?” by the time the season gets underway in earnest."


I think this guys take is pretty much on the $. I guess it is funny that we spent all this time and energy debating on whether to trade for Melo or not when it really just came down to:

If Melo really wanted to be on the Knicks he would either play the season out and sign as a FA or tell the Nuggets he would not extend with anyone else.

If he was willing to sign an extension with another team..despite my budding love for Gallo/Randolph etc, we never really had a chance anyway.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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9/24/2010  3:33 PM
Last season, i think, the Suns constructed a trade that would send Amar'e to Golden State in return fo AR and Stephen Curry- a great deal for them. What happened? Amar'e said he wouldn't re-sign with them, and so the trade was dead. Denver can spend all their time and effort constructing a great but complex trade for themselves, but if Carmello says no, then it's all for nothing. If he does block this trade, then it should be a wake up call for the Nuggets, and they'll have no choice but to start working on a trade to a team he will sign for and accept that they can't just trade him for the most attractive deal they want.

Going to the Nets would be a big mistake for Carmello- yeah, he gets his money but ask Marbury if that was any comfort when he was playing for the Nets. It's not a great team and it'll have no starting calibre PG.

Oh well, we'll find out soon enough.

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9/24/2010  3:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/24/2010  3:38 PM
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:

All I know is Carmelo will be feasting on fools in the Eastern Conference. They may not be a top seed but if you got Melo I say your chances are pretty dam good.

Oh and trading Harris(aka Crawford lite) is addition by subtraction.

i don't see Melo feasting anymore than Amare and Gallo and AR and Felton.

or do the Knicks not play in the watered-down East as well?

I think Gallo stacks up pretty well against Melo offensively (if last seasons head-2-head was any indication) and Gallo has plenty of development ahead of him. Defensively, it's not even close, Gallo kicks Melo's ass. Gallo is taller, more efficient, shoots 3pters with supreme efficiency, plays defense, has a gritty attitude...he's a winner as much as Melo. Throw in AR, Chandler, and whomever else would be needed by Denver and it's a no-brainer: Let Melo rot in Newark for two years and hope for the best in Brooklyn down the road.

As for us, we will keep our yoots and develop them, we will keep our cap flexibility for a better player (aka CP3), build around our core with aging vets who want a shot at a chip (aka Nash) and stay focused on team instead of on starphucking.

GREAT JOB DONNIE, now please go back to sleep for a bit.

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9/24/2010  3:35 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
iSergio wrote:I can't see Carmelo Anthony agreeing to this.

Vmart wrote:Knicks will get him when he is a free agent.

Sure. Of course NJ will do nothing to improve the team if they get Melo.

Lopez
Murphy
Melo
Terrence Williams
Farmar

Bench:
Outlaw
Morroe

Team isn't likely beating Miami but I dont see that team being much worse than what we got.

Amare
Randolph
Gallo
Chandler
Felton

Bench:
Douglas
Turiaf


I know one thing that Net team has superior shooting.

Not really sure which team is better but going to make it one hell of a fight to get that last playoff spot....

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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9/24/2010  3:36 PM
I think the Nets will try to gamble and make this move without Carmelo signing and hoping after playing in Nj and hanging with Jay-z, the russian billionare and seeing their plans for the Brooklyn move he will eventually resign with them. However once Anthony plays in front of an empty arena and the Nets are challenging for the worst record in the east , that plan will be doomed. They're given up Devin Harris in this deal and Jordan Farmar will be their starting point guard lol, Carmelo would have gone from playing with starting point guard Andre Miller to Allen Iverson to Chauncy Billops to Farmar?? ROFL. I still havr faith even if he gets traded he won't sign an extension and will join the Knicks next summer.
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9/24/2010  3:39 PM
Mray20 wrote:I think the Nets will try to gamble and make this move without Carmelo signing and hoping after playing in Nj and hanging with Jay-z, the russian billionare and seeing their plans for the Brooklyn move he will eventually resign with them. However once Anthony plays in front of an empty arena and the Nets are challenging for the worst record in the east , that plan will be doomed. They're given up Devin Harris in this deal and Jordan Farmar will be their starting point guard lol, Carmelo would have gone from playing with starting point guard Andre Miller to Allen Iverson to Chauncy Billops to Farmar?? ROFL. I still havr faith even if he gets traded he won't sign an extension and will join the Knicks next summer.

It is VERY reassuring to read that Melo prefers a deal to the Knicks. To me, that seems to indicate where his thinking is at presently.

ESPN: Carmelo Anthony trade talks heat up (Melo to Nets talk here)

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