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9/24/2010  5:37 PM
I agree with Fishmike, tho I think they'll win 48. I think there's just too much pessimism based on the past and not taking an objective view of the 10 players we added to the core which featured our best players from last year. I think this is a prototypical MDA team, in fact even more so than any team he's had before. It's entirely possible that if we had Nash, this same group could win 60. That's how good I think the talent is.

One of the main reasons I'm confident is the strength up the middle. Felton, TD, Chan, Amare, Timo, Gallo, Turiaf, AR is a REALLY big and solid group. That will bring a lot of consistency on both ends for a change. The bench is equally strong IMO. This is not a team that will hover just below .500 the whole year. Sooner of later they'll catch fire and go on a nice winning streak.

We've got Size, length, shooting, defense and one of the top Athletic rosters in the NBA. We have atheltic freaks everywhere! Even our bench guys like Walker, Fields & PE Jr. are FREAKS!!! This is the kind of roster that Isiah dreamed he could put together, but never could. Young, Long and Athletic. This is team is gonna shock a LOT of NY Fans.
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9/24/2010  5:47 PM
high expectations only to be thoroughly let down. I don't know how but this season is going to test my patience in some way, shape, or form
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9/24/2010  5:52 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:high expectations only to be thoroughly let down. I don't know how but this season is going to test my patience in some way, shape, or form

Why do you say that?

Look one of our big issues was a lack of a good PG - FIXED!
Problem two was no size in the paint - FIXED!
Problem 3, not enough willing defenders - FIXED!
Problem 4, too many selfish players - FIXED!
Problem 5, not enough MDA types on the roster so we can actually play his system - FIXED!

What is it that could be eating at you about this team? They all got in here early and reports are that they've been getting after it and look good already. So why be pessimistic?
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9/24/2010  6:03 PM
nixluva wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:high expectations only to be thoroughly let down. I don't know how but this season is going to test my patience in some way, shape, or form

Why do you say that?

Look one of our big issues was a lack of a good PG - FIXED!
Problem two was no size in the paint - FIXED!
Problem 3, not enough willing defenders - FIXED!
Problem 4, too many selfish players - FIXED!
Problem 5, not enough MDA types on the roster so we can actually play his system - FIXED!

What is it that could be eating at you about this team? They all got in here early and reports are that they've been getting after it and look good already. So why be pessimistic?


I think after D'Antoni's first two years in NY there are going to be questions about his coaching until he proves that he can do it without Nash and 2+ all stars running the floor. My only questions with this team are about the coach and his flaws that were spoken about in Phoenix and seemed to be much worse in NY. Rigidity, communication problems, lack of preperation, short practices, an avoidance or inability to coach young players or guys that need guidance... Those are some pretty serious issues for a guy making 5 million a year. I hope he is revitalized by the roster and has the ability and flexibility to work with this roster and turn them into a succesful team.
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9/24/2010  6:08 PM
nixluva wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:high expectations only to be thoroughly let down. I don't know how but this season is going to test my patience in some way, shape, or form

Why do you say that?

Look one of our big issues was a lack of a good PG - FIXED!
Problem two was no size in the paint - FIXED!
Problem 3, not enough willing defenders - FIXED!
Problem 4, too many selfish players - FIXED!
Problem 5, not enough MDA types on the roster so we can actually play his system - FIXED!

What is it that could be eating at you about this team? They all got in here early and reports are that they've been getting after it and look good already. So why be pessimistic?

you don't tend to look at Knicks history objectively, do you

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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9/24/2010  6:10 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:high expectations only to be thoroughly let down. I don't know how but this season is going to test my patience in some way, shape, or form

Why do you say that?

Look one of our big issues was a lack of a good PG - FIXED!
Problem two was no size in the paint - FIXED!
Problem 3, not enough willing defenders - FIXED!
Problem 4, too many selfish players - FIXED!
Problem 5, not enough MDA types on the roster so we can actually play his system - FIXED!

What is it that could be eating at you about this team? They all got in here early and reports are that they've been getting after it and look good already. So why be pessimistic?


I think after D'Antoni's first two years in NY there are going to be questions about his coaching until he proves that he can do it without Nash and 2+ all stars running the floor. My only questions with this team are about the coach and his flaws that were spoken about in Phoenix and seemed to be much worse in NY. Rigidity, communication problems, lack of preperation, short practices, an avoidance or inability to coach young players or guys that need guidance... Those are some pretty serious issues for a guy making 5 million a year. I hope he is revitalized by the roster and has the ability and flexibility to work with this roster and turn them into a succesful team.

All I can say is that just before Boston put together the big 3 they were talking about Doc as if he was the worst coach to ever coach the game. Not having the right players and more importantly players that give a damn, is a huge problem for any coach. There's nothing wrong with Mike. This is a chance for him to show all of the people who suddenly doubt him just what he can do. I'll also remind you that he had Zach, Jamal & company playing very well and that was a team with ZERO defense. In addition Nash, Marion, no C and a bunch of non All Stars is not exactly a super team and yet he won his division and went to the WCF's. Don't use the last 2 years to try and make a serious judgement of his abilities.
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9/24/2010  6:13 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
nixluva wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:high expectations only to be thoroughly let down. I don't know how but this season is going to test my patience in some way, shape, or form

Why do you say that?

Look one of our big issues was a lack of a good PG - FIXED!
Problem two was no size in the paint - FIXED!
Problem 3, not enough willing defenders - FIXED!
Problem 4, too many selfish players - FIXED!
Problem 5, not enough MDA types on the roster so we can actually play his system - FIXED!

What is it that could be eating at you about this team? They all got in here early and reports are that they've been getting after it and look good already. So why be pessimistic?

you don't tend to look at Knicks history objectively, do you


FREAK history! Tell me why this team which is a new team should not at least be viewed as a team with enough potential to be a good team in the East? I've at least laid out my rationale for feeling good about this teams prospects. Why do you feel differently. Please don't give me some nebulous intangible feeling or past history type answer.
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9/24/2010  6:20 PM
I think we finish 45-37 and 6th place. I also think we trade for Tony Parker mid way thru the season, sending Felton, either Buike or Chandler, and a filler (walker or rautins) to SA. This allows us to make some serious noise in the first round, losing to 3rd seed boston in game 7.
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9/24/2010  6:36 PM
nixluva wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
nixluva wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:high expectations only to be thoroughly let down. I don't know how but this season is going to test my patience in some way, shape, or form

Why do you say that?

Look one of our big issues was a lack of a good PG - FIXED!
Problem two was no size in the paint - FIXED!
Problem 3, not enough willing defenders - FIXED!
Problem 4, too many selfish players - FIXED!
Problem 5, not enough MDA types on the roster so we can actually play his system - FIXED!

What is it that could be eating at you about this team? They all got in here early and reports are that they've been getting after it and look good already. So why be pessimistic?

you don't tend to look at Knicks history objectively, do you


FREAK history! Tell me why this team which is a new team should not at least be viewed as a team with enough potential to be a good team in the East? I've at least laid out my rationale for feeling good about this teams prospects. Why do you feel differently. Please don't give me some nebulous intangible feeling or past history type answer.

my nebulous intangible feeling or past history type answer will have to suffice as I don't know what else to add to my original comment

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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9/24/2010  6:41 PM
Assuming there are no personnel changes LOL 45+/- 3 I will wait to see this 'platoon' system
d'A is talking. if Felton and Amar'e can teach Douglas/AR to run that thing .....ouch and a platoon
type offense could have NY calling the coach a genius again.

All the talk may be the same but has it been thus? 3 weeks everybody has been in but Curry. Everybody looked
trim and ready. 'Cept EC

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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9/24/2010  6:47 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:high expectations only to be thoroughly let down. I don't know how but this season is going to test my patience in some way, shape, or form

Why do you say that?

Look one of our big issues was a lack of a good PG - FIXED!
Problem two was no size in the paint - FIXED!
Problem 3, not enough willing defenders - FIXED!
Problem 4, too many selfish players - FIXED!
Problem 5, not enough MDA types on the roster so we can actually play his system - FIXED!

What is it that could be eating at you about this team? They all got in here early and reports are that they've been getting after it and look good already. So why be pessimistic?


I think after D'Antoni's first two years in NY there are going to be questions about his coaching until he proves that he can do it without Nash and 2+ all stars running the floor. My only questions with this team are about the coach and his flaws that were spoken about in Phoenix and seemed to be much worse in NY. Rigidity, communication problems, lack of preperation, short practices, an avoidance or inability to coach young players or guys that need guidance... Those are some pretty serious issues for a guy making 5 million a year. I hope he is revitalized by the roster and has the ability and flexibility to work with this roster and turn them into a succesful team.

All I can say is that just before Boston put together the big 3 they were talking about Doc as if he was the worst coach to ever coach the game. Not having the right players and more importantly players that give a damn, is a huge problem for any coach. There's nothing wrong with Mike. This is a chance for him to show all of the people who suddenly doubt him just what he can do. I'll also remind you that he had Zach, Jamal & company playing very well and that was a team with ZERO defense. In addition Nash, Marion, no C and a bunch of non All Stars is not exactly a super team and yet he won his division and went to the WCF's. Don't use the last 2 years to try and make a serious judgement of his abilities.

You are right about Doc but I think D'Antoni's flaws were overcome by his roster in Phoenix. I don't think that was the case in Boston. Boston appeared to be angling for Oden the year before the big 3 was put together. On the surface at least, it appeared Doc was losing for a purpose. D'Antoni had no reason to lose because the Knicks did not have their pick. One would think there would be motivation to play his rookies and build for the future, and motivation to not let the Knicks unprotected pick be a lottery pick. If D'Antoni is a superior coach who has been mailing it in because the players on his team were not worthy of his talents then he should win at least 45 games this year.
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9/24/2010  6:55 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:high expectations only to be thoroughly let down. I don't know how but this season is going to test my patience in some way, shape, or form

Why do you say that?

Look one of our big issues was a lack of a good PG - FIXED!
Problem two was no size in the paint - FIXED!
Problem 3, not enough willing defenders - FIXED!
Problem 4, too many selfish players - FIXED!
Problem 5, not enough MDA types on the roster so we can actually play his system - FIXED!

What is it that could be eating at you about this team? They all got in here early and reports are that they've been getting after it and look good already. So why be pessimistic?


I think after D'Antoni's first two years in NY there are going to be questions about his coaching until he proves that he can do it without Nash and 2+ all stars running the floor. My only questions with this team are about the coach and his flaws that were spoken about in Phoenix and seemed to be much worse in NY. Rigidity, communication problems, lack of preperation, short practices, an avoidance or inability to coach young players or guys that need guidance... Those are some pretty serious issues for a guy making 5 million a year. I hope he is revitalized by the roster and has the ability and flexibility to work with this roster and turn them into a succesful team.

All I can say is that just before Boston put together the big 3 they were talking about Doc as if he was the worst coach to ever coach the game. Not having the right players and more importantly players that give a damn, is a huge problem for any coach. There's nothing wrong with Mike. This is a chance for him to show all of the people who suddenly doubt him just what he can do. I'll also remind you that he had Zach, Jamal & company playing very well and that was a team with ZERO defense. In addition Nash, Marion, no C and a bunch of non All Stars is not exactly a super team and yet he won his division and went to the WCF's. Don't use the last 2 years to try and make a serious judgement of his abilities.

You are right about Doc but I think D'Antoni's flaws were overcome by his roster in Phoenix. I don't think that was the case in Boston. Boston appeared to be angling for Oden the year before the big 3 was put together. On the surface at least, it appeared Doc was losing for a purpose. D'Antoni had no reason to lose because the Knicks did not have their pick. One would think there would be motivation to play his rookies and build for the future, and motivation to not let the Knicks unprotected pick be a lottery pick. If D'Antoni is a superior coach who has been mailing it in because the players on his team were not worthy of his talents then he should win at least 45 games this year.

Perhaps Toney answered that ...in the vid feed he says he has a great relationship with Coach
and goes on to say he is a busy man but his door has always been open.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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9/24/2010  7:12 PM
Olbrannon wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:high expectations only to be thoroughly let down. I don't know how but this season is going to test my patience in some way, shape, or form

Why do you say that?

Look one of our big issues was a lack of a good PG - FIXED!
Problem two was no size in the paint - FIXED!
Problem 3, not enough willing defenders - FIXED!
Problem 4, too many selfish players - FIXED!
Problem 5, not enough MDA types on the roster so we can actually play his system - FIXED!

What is it that could be eating at you about this team? They all got in here early and reports are that they've been getting after it and look good already. So why be pessimistic?


I think after D'Antoni's first two years in NY there are going to be questions about his coaching until he proves that he can do it without Nash and 2+ all stars running the floor. My only questions with this team are about the coach and his flaws that were spoken about in Phoenix and seemed to be much worse in NY. Rigidity, communication problems, lack of preperation, short practices, an avoidance or inability to coach young players or guys that need guidance... Those are some pretty serious issues for a guy making 5 million a year. I hope he is revitalized by the roster and has the ability and flexibility to work with this roster and turn them into a succesful team.

All I can say is that just before Boston put together the big 3 they were talking about Doc as if he was the worst coach to ever coach the game. Not having the right players and more importantly players that give a damn, is a huge problem for any coach. There's nothing wrong with Mike. This is a chance for him to show all of the people who suddenly doubt him just what he can do. I'll also remind you that he had Zach, Jamal & company playing very well and that was a team with ZERO defense. In addition Nash, Marion, no C and a bunch of non All Stars is not exactly a super team and yet he won his division and went to the WCF's. Don't use the last 2 years to try and make a serious judgement of his abilities.

You are right about Doc but I think D'Antoni's flaws were overcome by his roster in Phoenix. I don't think that was the case in Boston. Boston appeared to be angling for Oden the year before the big 3 was put together. On the surface at least, it appeared Doc was losing for a purpose. D'Antoni had no reason to lose because the Knicks did not have their pick. One would think there would be motivation to play his rookies and build for the future, and motivation to not let the Knicks unprotected pick be a lottery pick. If D'Antoni is a superior coach who has been mailing it in because the players on his team were not worthy of his talents then he should win at least 45 games this year.

Perhaps Toney answered that ...in the vid feed he says he has a great relationship with Coach
and goes on to say he is a busy man but his door has always been open.

I hope you are right but the door didn't seem to open for Toney last year until the March road trip when Walsh traveled with the team to evaluate the players and coaching staff.
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It can't be both things. Either MDA is a bad coach cuz he was trying to win at the expense of the Rookies, or he was bad cuz he wasn't trying to win games and was only looking forward to this season. I might add that the good players we have don't seem to have a bad thing to say about Mike, only the guys we got rid of and Curry.

There did't seem to be any issues when the team was playing well just before we traded Zach and Jamal. I think that things were also fine when the team had that spurt of really good play last year. When teams lose there's a lot of things said that may not really have much merit. What I do know is that when this coach has talent he usually gets a lot out of that talent, even if it's not a great team. When he has had great talent he's still managed to maximize that talent. I see no reason to think he won't do that here this year and beyond.
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nixluva wrote:It can't be both things. Either MDA is a bad coach cuz he was trying to win at the expense of the Rookies, or he was bad cuz he wasn't trying to win games and was only looking forward to this season. I might add that the good players we have don't seem to have a bad thing to say about Mike, only the guys we got rid of and Curry.

There did't seem to be any issues when the team was playing well just before we traded Zach and Jamal. I think that things were also fine when the team had that spurt of really good play last year. When teams lose there's a lot of things said that may not really have much merit. What I do know is that when this coach has talent he usually gets a lot out of that talent, even if it's not a great team. When he has had great talent he's still managed to maximize that talent. I see no reason to think he won't do that here this year and beyond.


That doesn't make any sense. The team started the year off 1-9 and won 29 games. The team didn't win and he didn't play the rookies. He was horrible last season. The guys that don't have anything to say about D'Antoni were his guys. Not the most talented, not the most potential, not a part of the future, but the most complient, professionals who did not need a coach to help them with their game or communicate expected behavior at any time.

As far as doing well with Zach and Jamaal that was for 11 games and the Knicks were 6-5.

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nixluva wrote:It can't be both things. Either MDA is a bad coach cuz he was trying to win at the expense of the Rookies, or he was bad cuz he wasn't trying to win games and was only looking forward to this season. I might add that the good players we have don't seem to have a bad thing to say about Mike, only the guys we got rid of and Curry.

There did't seem to be any issues when the team was playing well just before we traded Zach and Jamal. I think that things were also fine when the team had that spurt of really good play last year. When teams lose there's a lot of things said that may not really have much merit. What I do know is that when this coach has talent he usually gets a lot out of that talent, even if it's not a great team. When he has had great talent he's still managed to maximize that talent. I see no reason to think he won't do that here this year and beyond.


That doesn't make any sense. The team started the year off 1-9 and won 29 games. The team didn't win and he didn't play the rookies. He was horrible last season. The guys that don't have anything to say about D'Antoni were his guys. Not the most talented, not the most potential, not a part of the future, but the most complient, professionals who did not need a coach to help them with their game or communicate expected behavior at any time.

As far as doing well with Zach and Jamaal that was for 11 games and the Knicks were 6-5.


The 1-9 start had a lot to do with a slumping Duhon, and recovering Chan and Gallo. I'm not gonna read too much into last season. It was a crap shoot to begin with knowing that the Summer of Lebron was coming as the team was loaded with selfish players who were desparate to secure better new contracts. I hoped it wouldn't become every man for himself but it did and I don't know how many coaches could've been successful at combating that nor many that would've wanted to be in that situation.

The guys we kept are all that mattered in the end, no? Do I care about the feelings of the guys no longer here? Let me see should I believe in the man that came here with a great winning reputation or the sorry lot of castoffs that we had holding spots until this summer?
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I haven't had a good year, that's for sure," said D'Antoni, whose 20-39 team has lost 10 of its last 11 games.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/03/03/2010-03-03_dfensive_mike.html#ixzz10Pu6szOj

Lets hope it was just a bad year, where a lot of mistakes were made starting with training camp.

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CrushAlot wrote:I haven't had a good year, that's for sure," said D'Antoni, whose 20-39 team has lost 10 of its last 11 games.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/03/03/2010-03-03_dfensive_mike.html#ixzz10Pu6szOj

Lets hope it was just a bad year, where a lot of mistakes were made starting with training camp.


There's no way that Mike would go on record laying the blame on his players. This means nothing. The only guy I can think of that did that here was LB and he's known to get down his teams in the press.
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I predict we go 42-40, good for 7th seed in the East.

We face Orlando in the 1st round of the series, but fall in 5 games, due to the homecourt disadvantage.

Our offense will be top tier.
But sadly, our coaching and defense will be on the low end.

I pray that I'm wrong on those last two points!
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D'Antoni is a flawed coach in my opinion. People can change and I hope that is the case for him. However, he was flawed just based on his one sided approach to basketball. Remember the Suns traded Rondo because D'Antoni didn't think he could use him because he couldn't shoot. His philosophy has been used in the past and has never won a championship. His difficulties with communication, game planning, coaching young players and guys that might need an authority figure, and his rigidity have doomed him to not be successful unless he is blessed to have comparable talent to his rosters when he won in Phoenix. D'Antoni did speak against Marion after the Shaq trade and said that Marion did not know how good his situation was in Phoenix before he left. I think the same could be said for D'Antoni. Gentry and Don Nelson have been good coaches when Nash ran their team as well. D'Antoni may never have the opportunity to have a roster that can overcome all of his short comings like the Nash led Suns did. His ego and rigidity caused him to move to NY. His flaws that were covered in Phoenix by Nash and others may very well doom him in NY. He needs to do some winning without Nash for the first time in his coaching career this season.
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