fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Donnie Walsh was hired 2 years ago and this wil be his 3rd year running the team. He is going to have to start showing results eventually. Walsh knows his 2010 plan is essentially a failure because he threw away 2 years to get Amare and Anthony Randolph. If you factor in drafting Jordan Hill then you realize Walsh isnt sitting pretty right now.

If Walsh does trade Gallo and Randolph out of here what will you say then?

again... what was option B with those last 2 years? Build around Zach and Marbury and Crawford? Is that what Walsh was brought here for? You can hire a GM and say go get Lebron. His job was to clean out this mess and build a team on the fly. He targeted the 2010 FA class because veteran FAs like Felton and Amare mean you dont have to the additional 2-3 years after getting guys for them to grow.

Its pretty simple:
years 1-2 clean out mess
year 3 compete + make playoffs
year 4 use max cap space and flexibility to improve to upper echelon team
year 5 compete for a title

Donnie Walsh decided to make a run at Lebron and FAILED.

Donnie Walsh signed Amare to a guaranteed $100 million deal that isn't insured too. So he essentially signed a future albatross deal. He likely did this because he backed himself into a corner by trading Hill(Amare Lite ) and picks for cap space.

Walsh has **** the bed now he must lie in it.

your just wrong. It was Lebron or bust for you. For Walsh it was a FA crop with a pool of great players.

Whats the corner he backed himself into? The one where he has a roster of guys under 25 and cap space to sign a MAX free agent next year? Is that the corner?

There isnt a bad contract on the Knicks. 5x all star froncourt players are max players. If Amare blows his knee out after 4 straight years of being one of the most durable players in the NBA thems the breaks, but at least it comes off the cap.

Here's the question Anubis loves to ignore. Why is Amare an albatross contract but YOU WHERE DYING TO TRADE FOR GILBERT ARENAS. Its HIGH-LARIOUS that

- You seriously think we wasted two years for Amare? Stop it man. We were after Lebron or Wade.

- When you trade future picks it isnt going to look good when you are sitting in the lottery. 2011's crop of Max worthy free agents are mostly restricted and are pretty redundant for our current roster.

- Amare's contract is uninsured for a reason and I will leave it at that.

- Arenas contract is horrendous. I wanted if Arenas if Washington would pay us to take him off their hands. Think the Houston deal with us being Houston.

AnubisADL wrote:

MS wrote:The real problem is our owner doesn't understand that his friend of the organization was responsible for Walsh having to make a panic trade because his GM had given up 2 lottery selections for a player that hasn't played in two years and is not reporting to camp because there is a warrant out for his arrest nor does he take into account that a lottery selection was given up this season for someone that essentially got 20 million to walk away, have sex with garden staff and make a public mockery of the Knicks organization.

Things we all know, but still he is allowing the man to advise his decisions and manipulate him into thinking Amare was his doing and Melo and Paul will be deliver if he is associated with the team.

So Donnie is just in place long enough before he is pressured to make a trade for Isiah to take over as general manager again. Which will happen.

I'm sure Walsh wants to see what he has with this team and play out the season because he knows like everyone else that Melo doesn't put us over the top. Having Gallo, AR and Amare with a max slot very well may. He has done his job now we have to be patient for one more season while this team secures a playoff spot.

- We still talking about Isiah? Walsh knew we didn't own our 2010 pick when he took the job and came up with his plan.

- We all know Amare came for that MONEY. Propping up Isiah is just MSG buttering us up for his return.

- At the end of the day Melo and Amare will have the Garden ROCKING again after April and that is all MSG cares about. Hell I would be a liar if I said I wouldn't be hyped too even if we eliminated for the next 3-5 years.

and therein lies the difference. You are building a team for second round exits and perhaps an unlikely 1-year flash beyond that. The goal should be Championship.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

MS wrote:The real problem is our owner doesn't understand that his friend of the organization was responsible for Walsh having to make a panic trade because his GM had given up 2 lottery selections for a player that hasn't played in two years and is not reporting to camp because there is a warrant out for his arrest nor does he take into account that a lottery selection was given up this season for someone that essentially got 20 million to walk away, have sex with garden staff and make a public mockery of the Knicks organization.

Things we all know, but still he is allowing the man to advise his decisions and manipulate him into thinking Amare was his doing and Melo and Paul will be deliver if he is associated with the team.

So Donnie is just in place long enough before he is pressured to make a trade for Isiah to take over as general manager again. Which will happen.

I'm sure Walsh wants to see what he has with this team and play out the season because he knows like everyone else that Melo doesn't put us over the top. Having Gallo, AR and Amare with a max slot very well may. He has done his job now we have to be patient for one more season while this team secures a playoff spot.

- We still talking about Isiah? Walsh knew we didn't own our 2010 pick when he took the job and came up with his plan.

- We all know Amare came for that MONEY. Propping up Isiah is just MSG buttering us up for his return.

- At the end of the day Melo and Amare will have the Garden ROCKING again after April and that is all MSG cares about. Hell I would be a liar if I said I wouldn't be hyped too even if we eliminated for the next 3-5 years.

and therein lies the difference. You are building a team for second round exits and perhaps an unlikely 1-year flash beyond that. The goal should be Championship.

I second that.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

MS wrote:The real problem is our owner doesn't understand that his friend of the organization was responsible for Walsh having to make a panic trade because his GM had given up 2 lottery selections for a player that hasn't played in two years and is not reporting to camp because there is a warrant out for his arrest nor does he take into account that a lottery selection was given up this season for someone that essentially got 20 million to walk away, have sex with garden staff and make a public mockery of the Knicks organization.

Things we all know, but still he is allowing the man to advise his decisions and manipulate him into thinking Amare was his doing and Melo and Paul will be deliver if he is associated with the team.

So Donnie is just in place long enough before he is pressured to make a trade for Isiah to take over as general manager again. Which will happen.

I'm sure Walsh wants to see what he has with this team and play out the season because he knows like everyone else that Melo doesn't put us over the top. Having Gallo, AR and Amare with a max slot very well may. He has done his job now we have to be patient for one more season while this team secures a playoff spot.

- We still talking about Isiah? Walsh knew we didn't own our 2010 pick when he took the job and came up with his plan.

- We all know Amare came for that MONEY. Propping up Isiah is just MSG buttering us up for his return.

- At the end of the day Melo and Amare will have the Garden ROCKING again after April and that is all MSG cares about. Hell I would be a liar if I said I wouldn't be hyped too even if we eliminated for the next 3-5 years.

and therein lies the difference. You are building a team for second round exits and perhaps an unlikely 1-year flash beyond that. The goal should be Championship.

I understand all of that. Only one teams wins it all each year so 29 other teams have too lose. Melo and Amare doesn't guarantee us a championship but it at least allows us the opportunity to compete for one now.

Not to sound like a homer but I think with Melo and Amare we are the 2nd best team in the East. Orlando has shown they dont have that extra gear for the playoffs. Dwight Howard's offense has not improved either and I dont see him making a quantum leap anytime soon. Boston is a year or 2 from lottery land.

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

MS wrote:The real problem is our owner doesn't understand that his friend of the organization was responsible for Walsh having to make a panic trade because his GM had given up 2 lottery selections for a player that hasn't played in two years and is not reporting to camp because there is a warrant out for his arrest nor does he take into account that a lottery selection was given up this season for someone that essentially got 20 million to walk away, have sex with garden staff and make a public mockery of the Knicks organization.

Things we all know, but still he is allowing the man to advise his decisions and manipulate him into thinking Amare was his doing and Melo and Paul will be deliver if he is associated with the team.

So Donnie is just in place long enough before he is pressured to make a trade for Isiah to take over as general manager again. Which will happen.

I'm sure Walsh wants to see what he has with this team and play out the season because he knows like everyone else that Melo doesn't put us over the top. Having Gallo, AR and Amare with a max slot very well may. He has done his job now we have to be patient for one more season while this team secures a playoff spot.

- We still talking about Isiah? Walsh knew we didn't own our 2010 pick when he took the job and came up with his plan.

- We all know Amare came for that MONEY. Propping up Isiah is just MSG buttering us up for his return.

- At the end of the day Melo and Amare will have the Garden ROCKING again after April and that is all MSG cares about. Hell I would be a liar if I said I wouldn't be hyped too even if we eliminated for the next 3-5 years.

and therein lies the difference. You are building a team for second round exits and perhaps an unlikely 1-year flash beyond that. The goal should be Championship.

I understand all of that. Only one teams wins it all each year so 29 other teams have too lose. Melo and Amare doesn't guarantee us a championship but it at least allows us the opportunity to compete for one now.

Not to sound like a homer but I think with Melo and Amare we are the 2nd best team in the East. Orlando has shown they dont have that extra gear for the playoffs. Dwight Howard's offense has not improved either and I dont see him making a quantum leap anytime soon. Boston is a year or 2 from lottery land.

Throw the Bulls into that picture too. And we are just talking East, right?

fishmike wrote:I dont think you guys have much to worry about.

You look at DW's history and the kind of guy he is and I think your OK. DW is the anti-knee jerk. He is slow and methodical and all about opportunity. If it was Isiah he would have already packaged AR/Gallo/Chandler/Douglas and Turiaf + every pick the league will let us trade for Carmello.

the same guy that made the T-Mac trade to clear $9M in salary before he even knew what was going to happen during the summer is the guy you're calling an anti knee jerk GM? it's a good thing we don't have to clear salary to sign Melo next summer.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

MS wrote:The real problem is our owner doesn't understand that his friend of the organization was responsible for Walsh having to make a panic trade because his GM had given up 2 lottery selections for a player that hasn't played in two years and is not reporting to camp because there is a warrant out for his arrest nor does he take into account that a lottery selection was given up this season for someone that essentially got 20 million to walk away, have sex with garden staff and make a public mockery of the Knicks organization.

Things we all know, but still he is allowing the man to advise his decisions and manipulate him into thinking Amare was his doing and Melo and Paul will be deliver if he is associated with the team.

So Donnie is just in place long enough before he is pressured to make a trade for Isiah to take over as general manager again. Which will happen.

I'm sure Walsh wants to see what he has with this team and play out the season because he knows like everyone else that Melo doesn't put us over the top. Having Gallo, AR and Amare with a max slot very well may. He has done his job now we have to be patient for one more season while this team secures a playoff spot.

- We still talking about Isiah? Walsh knew we didn't own our 2010 pick when he took the job and came up with his plan.

- We all know Amare came for that MONEY. Propping up Isiah is just MSG buttering us up for his return.

- At the end of the day Melo and Amare will have the Garden ROCKING again after April and that is all MSG cares about. Hell I would be a liar if I said I wouldn't be hyped too even if we eliminated for the next 3-5 years.

and therein lies the difference. You are building a team for second round exits and perhaps an unlikely 1-year flash beyond that. The goal should be Championship.

I understand all of that. Only one teams wins it all each year so 29 other teams have too lose. Melo and Amare doesn't guarantee us a championship but it at least allows us the opportunity to compete for one now.

Not to sound like a homer but I think with Melo and Amare we are the 2nd best team in the East. Orlando has shown they dont have that extra gear for the playoffs. Dwight Howard's offense has not improved either and I dont see him making a quantum leap anytime soon. Boston is a year or 2 from lottery land.

Throw the Bulls into that picture too. And we are just talking East, right?

Yea Im just talking the Eastern Conference. I mean the Bulls could be contenders but I dont see Boozer being healthy every year. I also dont see Noah becoming an offensive juggernaut. So I put them in the a notch below.

Markji wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Briggs -

Just 2 days ago you wanted Walsh to trade Chandler, Walker, 3 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick and $3M in cash for Balkman and Melo.

Today you are telling him to sit right and care for the future.

I'm confused which is it -- trade away 3 future #1s or sit tight and don't mess with the future?

I enjoy your posts - you are a true fan but at the same time I find you jump around quite a bit and are overly dramatic in your posts leaving no grey area.

Bottom line Walsh is a lawyer and a business man --- he's going to stay in the loop but I don't think he'll make a decision either way until he has to or Melo is moved elsewhere.

You know why I said that--because I was getting stomach sick thinking that this nice team would be broken up--if I had to sacrifice Chandler and picks to do that not happy with it--but in reality I dont want to do it--not for Chandler not for anyone--I'll take Carmelo as a free agent IF it is the right fit AFTER the season. That my true feelings on the matter.

Briggs, I am with you on waiting til Melo is a FA. No need to rush into a trade where we get screwed like we did with Houston.

Exactly--I dont feel 100% that the Houston trade was directly from Walsh--it had IT's handprints all over it--flipping picks etc...--IT did that trade before Walsh not even once. It sold our ship for Marbury he just wants an in with Dolan and listening to walkh yesterday anyone can figure out the truth. Jim Dolan is a F arsehole and It is worse than him--a true living scmbag ready to piunce over a 69 year old man who gave him a job as a coach before.

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:I dont think you guys have much to worry about.

You look at DW's history and the kind of guy he is and I think your OK. DW is the anti-knee jerk. He is slow and methodical and all about opportunity. If it was Isiah he would have already packaged AR/Gallo/Chandler/Douglas and Turiaf + every pick the league will let us trade for Carmello.

the same guy that made the T-Mac trade to clear $9M in salary before he even knew what was going to happen during the summer is the guy you're calling an anti knee jerk GM? it's a good thing we don't have to clear salary to sign Melo next summer.

You still crying about that trade? Wow... ok then. Here we go.
yes.. anti knee jerk. He waited until the deadline to make that happen so obviously he tried other venues, and even admitted it was a financial move and one he didnt like to make.

He want space for 2 max guys. The thought was the added flexibility would yield better profits. How is that knee jerk? In the end that trade allowed us to get the GS players back, or to get Felton. Take your pick, either way it was worth it my opinion.

Every move is a gamble. Anytime you give something up its a gamble. TMac was garbage. That part of the gamble failed. The added flexibility? That part of the gamble worked out quite well.

- The point is Walsh still made the trade. Doesnt matter if her waited until the 25th hour to do it.

- Having space for 2 Max deals VERSUS having space for 1 max and assets to S&T for the other. Walsh had another option and chose wrong.