GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

iSergio wrote:

izybx wrote:

iSergio wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:The Knick fan has become so accustomed to losing that he is afraid he may take a step back. Sorry guys I too want to wait for Melo but if we have to pull the trigger on a deal for him we must do it. Like Sergio said we were suppose to be an elite team by the time 2010-2011 season started. We can't continue to be patient and wait for next year and again wait another year. In 3-4 years anything can happen Amare can be done, Gallo may not be as good as we think or same with AR. Its time to get proven being Knicks fans we have become overly patient. I like the idea of rebuilding but rebuilding passed me by in 2006. Walsh has to make Melo into reality for the Knicks there is no beating around the bush. I truely have faith in Walsh to make it happen.

huh? this year?

That is right this year. We didn't clear cap space to hang around the 7-8 seed in the playoffs. All chip were in Walsh wanted two superstars which was plan A. Then he turned to plan B try to make lemonade out of lemons.

FINALLY someone else admits this!!!

People here still refuse to admit that Donnie Walsh would have signed Joe Johnson to the MAX over trading for Anthony Randolph. The goal was to get 2 Stars. That's why we cleared cap for 2 Stars. Not to acquire 20 year old prospects and hope they turn into Stars in 3-4 years - which they won't because they don't have Star talent!

How do you know that Donnie would have given Joe Johnson the max?

They met with Joe Johnson July 1st and did offer the MAX. Johnson decided to take the extra money and stay in Atlanta.

Shouldn't we be happy Joe Johnson isn't a Knick?

Of course! But that's not the point. The point is, Donnie Walsh planned to sign 2 Stars this summer and have a 50 win team THIS year.

arkrud wrote:It's time to stop looking at savors, as there are non, and start building The Team.
We have a good start and it will take another 3-4 years to get to the top if we will not start starpunching again.
Melo, Tony, CP3... Knicks fans are always ready to sell the house for one name.
Gambling is exiting but you will go broke regardless.

The whole point of this is that we wouldn't be giving the whole farm for Parker. We would sign him to a modest contract and still have our young guys while maintaining cap flexibility. You can say we must go all in to get melo or Paul but here is a alternative that gets us an allstar and champion without having to do that.

iSergio wrote:

izybx wrote:

iSergio wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:The Knick fan has become so accustomed to losing that he is afraid he may take a step back. Sorry guys I too want to wait for Melo but if we have to pull the trigger on a deal for him we must do it. Like Sergio said we were suppose to be an elite team by the time 2010-2011 season started. We can't continue to be patient and wait for next year and again wait another year. In 3-4 years anything can happen Amare can be done, Gallo may not be as good as we think or same with AR. Its time to get proven being Knicks fans we have become overly patient. I like the idea of rebuilding but rebuilding passed me by in 2006. Walsh has to make Melo into reality for the Knicks there is no beating around the bush. I truely have faith in Walsh to make it happen.

huh? this year?

That is right this year. We didn't clear cap space to hang around the 7-8 seed in the playoffs. All chip were in Walsh wanted two superstars which was plan A. Then he turned to plan B try to make lemonade out of lemons.

FINALLY someone else admits this!!!

People here still refuse to admit that Donnie Walsh would have signed Joe Johnson to the MAX over trading for Anthony Randolph. The goal was to get 2 Stars. That's why we cleared cap for 2 Stars. Not to acquire 20 year old prospects and hope they turn into Stars in 3-4 years - which they won't because they don't have Star talent!

How do you know that Donnie would have given Joe Johnson the max?

They met with Joe Johnson July 1st and did offer the MAX. Johnson decided to take the extra money and stay in Atlanta.

They met with Joe Johnson. That's it.

iSergio wrote:

martin wrote:

iSergio wrote:

izybx wrote:

iSergio wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:The Knick fan has become so accustomed to losing that he is afraid he may take a step back. Sorry guys I too want to wait for Melo but if we have to pull the trigger on a deal for him we must do it. Like Sergio said we were suppose to be an elite team by the time 2010-2011 season started. We can't continue to be patient and wait for next year and again wait another year. In 3-4 years anything can happen Amare can be done, Gallo may not be as good as we think or same with AR. Its time to get proven being Knicks fans we have become overly patient. I like the idea of rebuilding but rebuilding passed me by in 2006. Walsh has to make Melo into reality for the Knicks there is no beating around the bush. I truely have faith in Walsh to make it happen.

huh? this year?

That is right this year. We didn't clear cap space to hang around the 7-8 seed in the playoffs. All chip were in Walsh wanted two superstars which was plan A. Then he turned to plan B try to make lemonade out of lemons.

FINALLY someone else admits this!!!

People here still refuse to admit that Donnie Walsh would have signed Joe Johnson to the MAX over trading for Anthony Randolph. The goal was to get 2 Stars. That's why we cleared cap for 2 Stars. Not to acquire 20 year old prospects and hope they turn into Stars in 3-4 years - which they won't because they don't have Star talent!

How do you know that Donnie would have given Joe Johnson the max?

They met with Joe Johnson July 1st and did offer the MAX. Johnson decided to take the extra money and stay in Atlanta.

They met with Joe Johnson. That's it.

And we offered a MAX contract.

show me.

iSergio wrote:

martin wrote:

iSergio wrote:

izybx wrote:

iSergio wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:The Knick fan has become so accustomed to losing that he is afraid he may take a step back. Sorry guys I too want to wait for Melo but if we have to pull the trigger on a deal for him we must do it. Like Sergio said we were suppose to be an elite team by the time 2010-2011 season started. We can't continue to be patient and wait for next year and again wait another year. In 3-4 years anything can happen Amare can be done, Gallo may not be as good as we think or same with AR. Its time to get proven being Knicks fans we have become overly patient. I like the idea of rebuilding but rebuilding passed me by in 2006. Walsh has to make Melo into reality for the Knicks there is no beating around the bush. I truely have faith in Walsh to make it happen.

huh? this year?

That is right this year. We didn't clear cap space to hang around the 7-8 seed in the playoffs. All chip were in Walsh wanted two superstars which was plan A. Then he turned to plan B try to make lemonade out of lemons.

FINALLY someone else admits this!!!

People here still refuse to admit that Donnie Walsh would have signed Joe Johnson to the MAX over trading for Anthony Randolph. The goal was to get 2 Stars. That's why we cleared cap for 2 Stars. Not to acquire 20 year old prospects and hope they turn into Stars in 3-4 years - which they won't because they don't have Star talent!

How do you know that Donnie would have given Joe Johnson the max?

They met with Joe Johnson July 1st and did offer the MAX. Johnson decided to take the extra money and stay in Atlanta.

They met with Joe Johnson. That's it.

And we offered a MAX contract.

iSergio wrote:

martin wrote:

iSergio wrote:

izybx wrote:

iSergio wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:The Knick fan has become so accustomed to losing that he is afraid he may take a step back. Sorry guys I too want to wait for Melo but if we have to pull the trigger on a deal for him we must do it. Like Sergio said we were suppose to be an elite team by the time 2010-2011 season started. We can't continue to be patient and wait for next year and again wait another year. In 3-4 years anything can happen Amare can be done, Gallo may not be as good as we think or same with AR. Its time to get proven being Knicks fans we have become overly patient. I like the idea of rebuilding but rebuilding passed me by in 2006. Walsh has to make Melo into reality for the Knicks there is no beating around the bush. I truely have faith in Walsh to make it happen.

huh? this year?

That is right this year. We didn't clear cap space to hang around the 7-8 seed in the playoffs. All chip were in Walsh wanted two superstars which was plan A. Then he turned to plan B try to make lemonade out of lemons.

FINALLY someone else admits this!!!

People here still refuse to admit that Donnie Walsh would have signed Joe Johnson to the MAX over trading for Anthony Randolph. The goal was to get 2 Stars. That's why we cleared cap for 2 Stars. Not to acquire 20 year old prospects and hope they turn into Stars in 3-4 years - which they won't because they don't have Star talent!

How do you know that Donnie would have given Joe Johnson the max?

They met with Joe Johnson July 1st and did offer the MAX. Johnson decided to take the extra money and stay in Atlanta.

They met with Joe Johnson. That's it.

And we offered a MAX contract.

They put a max contract on the table for Johnson. He took the Money and extra year with Atlanta. Knicks plans were LBJ & Bosh, LBJ & Johnson, LBJ & Amare. Wade & Bosh, Wade & Amare, Amare & Johnson but Johnson already decided to go with Atlanta. And the three Amigos we know what happened. Kicks did offer a contract to Johnson but the extra year was to much for him to give up.

Anyone that wants Melo cant bitch about JJ because JJ is just as good a player

Myself... I'm luke warm, but years of going from Shanvis Eisleyspoon to Jerome Currybury have tempered my expectations.

My gut feeling is that Felton plays very well, maybe not superstar, but a very solid player on both ends. I think the upgrade would need to be at SG. Iggy would look great.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:Tony Parker is a really good player, and could go from an all star to superstar under in this system. As a PG his age is fine... 28? 29? I'm fine with that. However I do agree to wait and see what we have with Felton. Felton's defense really improved to become one of the better defensive players under Larry Brown. He's very fast and really looks great pushing the ball. If he can run the P&R with Amare then we have a real keeper and a guy who probably makes an all star game or two before all is said and done. When you look at how well Duhon played his first year under MDA then you have to pretty excited about what Felton brings to the table.

Myself... I'm luke warm, but years of going from Shanvis Eisleyspoon to Jerome Currybury have tempered my expectations.

My gut feeling is that Felton plays very well, maybe not superstar, but a very solid player on both ends. I think the upgrade would need to be at SG. Iggy would look great.

You say shyt like Iggy, that's why I say don't lose credibility. Iggy doesn't fit a need for the Knicks he is actually a worse shooter than Chandler. MDA needs a sg that can shoot it. Stretch the floor Iggy doesn't do that teams dare him to shoot the ball from outside. I don't doubt Iggy's game he has a nice game. I like Chandler at sg over Iggy.

As for Tony Parker I wouldn't mind him on the Knicks but Felton is here and let see what Felton can gives the Knicks. I think Felton will be pretty decent. I'm not expecting Paul or even Parker but a good solid pg that gets it done.

I can agree with this. I'm a big Iggy fan too and I love how he played in the FIBA tourney, however, I can see Chandler having that ceiling as well, plus he has a good mid range game. I'd stick with Chandler for now.

Same with Felton. What if we end up getting a very solid and young PG out of Felton? Then that's an area we don't even have to fix and then we can either look at figuring out if we need to keep Chandler or go after guys like Battier and Marc Gasol (If Mozgov ends up sucking) this Summer, assuming we DON'T get 'Melo. And as doubtful it could be, perhaps we are lucking out and have the final product on the floor as we speak. It's why we do have to just wait and see because not one of us truely knows how we'll be, but I'm sticking with my 45 win prediction.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:Tony Parker is a really good player, and could go from an all star to superstar under in this system. As a PG his age is fine... 28? 29? I'm fine with that. However I do agree to wait and see what we have with Felton. Felton's defense really improved to become one of the better defensive players under Larry Brown. He's very fast and really looks great pushing the ball. If he can run the P&R with Amare then we have a real keeper and a guy who probably makes an all star game or two before all is said and done. When you look at how well Duhon played his first year under MDA then you have to pretty excited about what Felton brings to the table.

Myself... I'm luke warm, but years of going from Shanvis Eisleyspoon to Jerome Currybury have tempered my expectations.

My gut feeling is that Felton plays very well, maybe not superstar, but a very solid player on both ends. I think the upgrade would need to be at SG. Iggy would look great.

You say shyt like Iggy, that's why I say don't lose credibility. Iggy doesn't fit a need for the Knicks he is actually a worse shooter than Chandler. MDA needs a sg that can shoot it. Stretch the floor Iggy doesn't do that teams dare him to shoot the ball from outside. I don't doubt Iggy's game he has a nice game. I like Chandler at sg over Iggy.

As for Tony Parker I wouldn't mind him on the Knicks but Felton is here and let see what Felton can gives the Knicks. I think Felton will be pretty decent. I'm not expecting Paul or even Parker but a good solid pg that gets it done.

Love iggy. dunno if he fits an MDA team.

Felton is kinda tough to rank this season.

12 PGs I think will def. have a better season (if healthy of course)

Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Deron Williams
Rondo
Derrick Rose
Jason Kidd
Stephen Curry
Baron Davis
Westbrook
Jameer Nelson
Tyreke Evans
Tony Parker

The jury is out. Will Felton be better than these 11:

John Wall
Chauncey Billups
Darren Collison
Brandon Jennings
Devin Harris?
Jrue Holliday?
Jose Calderon?
Mo Williams?
Rodney Stuckey?
Aaron Brooks
Andre Miller

Felton is better than 6 pgs:

Mike Bibby (at this point in his career)
Dj Augustin
Derek Fisher (i hope)
Mike Conley
Mario Chalmers
Luke Ridnour

Kinda crazy huh? 30 teams in the league and you can't really have an off night in terms of who you're guarding except against maybe 6 teams.

You could make an argument that Felton is an average/below average starting PG if you can pick 3 out of 11 in the middle group who u think will have a better season than him and arguments could be made for Collison, Jennings and Billups/Harris.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:Tony Parker is a really good player, and could go from an all star to superstar under in this system. As a PG his age is fine... 28? 29? I'm fine with that. However I do agree to wait and see what we have with Felton. Felton's defense really improved to become one of the better defensive players under Larry Brown. He's very fast and really looks great pushing the ball. If he can run the P&R with Amare then we have a real keeper and a guy who probably makes an all star game or two before all is said and done. When you look at how well Duhon played his first year under MDA then you have to pretty excited about what Felton brings to the table.

Myself... I'm luke warm, but years of going from Shanvis Eisleyspoon to Jerome Currybury have tempered my expectations.

My gut feeling is that Felton plays very well, maybe not superstar, but a very solid player on both ends. I think the upgrade would need to be at SG. Iggy would look great.

You say shyt like Iggy, that's why I say don't lose credibility. Iggy doesn't fit a need for the Knicks he is actually a worse shooter than Chandler. MDA needs a sg that can shoot it. Stretch the floor Iggy doesn't do that teams dare him to shoot the ball from outside. I don't doubt Iggy's game he has a nice game. I like Chandler at sg over Iggy.

As for Tony Parker I wouldn't mind him on the Knicks but Felton is here and let see what Felton can gives the Knicks. I think Felton will be pretty decent. I'm not expecting Paul or even Parker but a good solid pg that gets it done.