fishmike wrote:

iSergio wrote:It doesn't matter. I hate to say this but I think Denver looks at Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph how most and I look at them - role players with limited potential. I'm not even sure either Gallo or Randolph will end up being better than Troy Murphy. : /

I just hope Carmelo Anthony is serious about wanting to be here and only here and waits it out. If Chicago or New Jersey gets Melo, we are really screwed. We'll never be able to build a team that even comes close to Miami or the Bulls with Melo, Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer. We'll be the Atlanta Hawks and perenial 1st or 2nd round swept team every single year.

I'm pretty sure you love saying that, as you do in about every thread you post in. Not sure if you know this or not, but saying it over and over wont make it true.

Potential is dictated by skills, size and athleticism. Since AR and Gallo are top shelf in at least 2 of those 3 (AR all three) their potential is very high.

I'd love for you to rate all players under 24 in the league. Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph aren't even in the top 20.

BRIGGS wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Chandler Walker and number 1 picks in 2014 2016 top5 2018 top 5 GS #2nd and 3mm in cash take back Balkman for salary relief and 3mm in cash

Carmelo has to sign a 6 year 100mm $ deal or no deal

3#1 picks Chandler Walker a GS 2 and cash---no players other than Wil & Bill--that is my highest and best offer. No gallo no ar no anyone else

im down with that.

Et tu Brute? The plan, and this is the only plan endorsable , is to pick up Carmelo as a free agent. All this "trading players and imaginary draft picks," without knowing where you stand is ridiculous. Damn! How about a little less fantasy league and a little more real time

Id rather wait for free agency myself. But if i can get Carmelo WITHOUT giving up AR or Gallo--I think we can compete for a championship in a very serious way this year. I need Gallo and randolph to help make that happen--so there is NO way I can give up either--I will not budge on that. I think Gallo can be a 20-5-5 player and gives us the keen outside shot and randolph has first team all defensive potential and a very diverse offensive game along the lines of what L Odom gives LA but much younger. Some of the people saying give up this give up that --you cant. look at la--its like saying Kibe and gasol is enough--but realistically they neeed odom bynum artest fischer and their role players to just eek it out--you need your stars but you also need the team--in fact I put more value on the team. We have cap space next year--were going to get another very nice player.

What Im giving here is kind of like what Miami gave out--2 #1 picks--Im giving 3 1s chandler and walker---but the line has to stop there--if I can bring him in for picks young players taking back a bad balkman contract + cash---fine if I cant lets move on.

Lebron still played the full year in Cleveland and Cleveland didnt have to pay dead weight(Eddy Curry).

Denver is going to get picks if Carmelo wants that extra year of salary anyway. Denver can also possibly lose Walker and Chandler for nothing this summer too. Oh and neither of those guys have star potential.

So your deal is 1 yr of Carmelo for Chandler and Walker. I think think Denver rather have 1 year of Carmelo and not pay Chandler and Walker this summmer.

iSergio wrote:It doesn't matter. I hate to say this but I think Denver looks at Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph how most and I look at them - role players with limited potential. I'm not even sure either Gallo or Randolph will end up being better than Troy Murphy. : /

I just hope Carmelo Anthony is serious about wanting to be here and only here and waits it out. If Chicago or New Jersey gets Melo, we are really screwed. We'll never be able to build a team that even comes close to Miami or the Bulls with Melo, Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer. We'll be the Atlanta Hawks and perenial 1st or 2nd round swept team every single year.

iSergio once again screaming "The sky is falling, we are all dooooomed! Run for your lives! The sky IS FAAALLLIING!"

BRIGGS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Jack Squat.

You know what--that's my true sentiment. I think an offer like this is very palatable because if Carmelo says Im not signing anywhere--the Knicks could simply hold their cards. This is a gesture to get melo here for this season. Im not trading Gallo or AR--the Knicks would be crazy to dot hat and as days go by--I would say forget it no deal we will wait to fA. this way they can say to Melos people--we offered them a huge deal and they declined.

Yup. I actually think we hold everything here. We sit still and let Melo enter Free Agency next summer. We don't need him right now. I am very satisfied with Gallo, AR and The Mayor as Amare's help. I think Felton will make everything work.

iSergio wrote:

fishmike wrote:

iSergio wrote:It doesn't matter. I hate to say this but I think Denver looks at Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph how most and I look at them - role players with limited potential. I'm not even sure either Gallo or Randolph will end up being better than Troy Murphy. : /

I just hope Carmelo Anthony is serious about wanting to be here and only here and waits it out. If Chicago or New Jersey gets Melo, we are really screwed. We'll never be able to build a team that even comes close to Miami or the Bulls with Melo, Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer. We'll be the Atlanta Hawks and perenial 1st or 2nd round swept team every single year.

I'm pretty sure you love saying that, as you do in about every thread you post in. Not sure if you know this or not, but saying it over and over wont make it true.

Potential is dictated by skills, size and athleticism. Since AR and Gallo are top shelf in at least 2 of those 3 (AR all three) their potential is very high.

I'd love for you to rate all players under 24 in the league. Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph aren't even in the top 20.

TheGame wrote:We have no draft picks, so we have to offer young players. Chandler, Gallo, and a future 1st rounder is about the most we could offer. IMO it is a fair deal. It allows Denver to trade their current SG and it gives them an instant replacement for Anthony in Gallo.

fishmike wrote:

TheGame wrote:We have no draft picks, so we have to offer young players. Chandler, Gallo, and a future 1st rounder is about the most we could offer. IMO it is a fair deal. It allows Denver to trade their current SG and it gives them an instant replacement for Anthony in Gallo.

again... your looking at max cap space next offseason. You will have Amare, Felton, Mosgov, Douglas, Gallo, AR, Fields, Rautins under contract and enough money to sign a max guy or close to max guy whether its Melo, Parker, Dalembert, Marc Gasol, whoever... thats a great position to be in. Why give up some of those players for Melo now? It makes zero sense, because you HAVE to resign him. You blow two chips... your young guys and your cap space.

Is this a joke? Sam Dalembert and Marc Gasol are not at the level of Carmelo Anthony.

fishmike wrote:

iSergio wrote:

fishmike wrote:

iSergio wrote:It doesn't matter. I hate to say this but I think Denver looks at Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph how most and I look at them - role players with limited potential. I'm not even sure either Gallo or Randolph will end up being better than Troy Murphy. : /

I just hope Carmelo Anthony is serious about wanting to be here and only here and waits it out. If Chicago or New Jersey gets Melo, we are really screwed. We'll never be able to build a team that even comes close to Miami or the Bulls with Melo, Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer. We'll be the Atlanta Hawks and perenial 1st or 2nd round swept team every single year.

I'm pretty sure you love saying that, as you do in about every thread you post in. Not sure if you know this or not, but saying it over and over wont make it true.

Potential is dictated by skills, size and athleticism. Since AR and Gallo are top shelf in at least 2 of those 3 (AR all three) their potential is very high.

I'd love for you to rate all players under 24 in the league. Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph aren't even in the top 20.

how about under 22 years old. Yes they are. Its a fact. Case closed

There aren't a lot of players under 22 in the league anyway but I'm willing to bet Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph aren't in the top 15. It's fact that they aren't Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry or Derrick Rose good. Case closed.

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TheGame wrote:We have no draft picks, so we have to offer young players. Chandler, Gallo, and a future 1st rounder is about the most we could offer. IMO it is a fair deal. It allows Denver to trade their current SG and it gives them an instant replacement for Anthony in Gallo.

again... your looking at max cap space next offseason. You will have Amare, Felton, Mosgov, Douglas, Gallo, AR, Fields, Rautins under contract and enough money to sign a max guy or close to max guy whether its Melo, Parker, Dalembert, Marc Gasol, whoever... thats a great position to be in. Why give up some of those players for Melo now? It makes zero sense, because you HAVE to resign him. You blow two chips... your young guys and your cap space.

exactly, that point seems to be missed. trading for melo now, and giving up all of those assets does denver a huge favor... I am still all for waiting until next year.. Denver is not going to give him away and nor should they, but on the other hand, we don't need to overpay...

A guarantee costs more than a possibility. Waiting means we potentially miss out on Carmelo all together. Trading for him now guarantees him in a Knick Uni for the next 4 years.

and him being a knick for the next 4 years at this cost, guarantees me what? nothing right? well at this point, I like the possibilities and the lower cost involved. I like the possiblity of gallo and AR growing into great players for this team, I also like the possiblity of adding melo to this young core.. I will take these possibilities.. the cost for the guarantee is a bit too steep for me..

iSergio wrote:

fishmike wrote:

iSergio wrote:

fishmike wrote:

iSergio wrote:It doesn't matter. I hate to say this but I think Denver looks at Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph how most and I look at them - role players with limited potential. I'm not even sure either Gallo or Randolph will end up being better than Troy Murphy. : /

I just hope Carmelo Anthony is serious about wanting to be here and only here and waits it out. If Chicago or New Jersey gets Melo, we are really screwed. We'll never be able to build a team that even comes close to Miami or the Bulls with Melo, Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer. We'll be the Atlanta Hawks and perenial 1st or 2nd round swept team every single year.

I'm pretty sure you love saying that, as you do in about every thread you post in. Not sure if you know this or not, but saying it over and over wont make it true.

Potential is dictated by skills, size and athleticism. Since AR and Gallo are top shelf in at least 2 of those 3 (AR all three) their potential is very high.

I'd love for you to rate all players under 24 in the league. Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph aren't even in the top 20.

how about under 22 years old. Yes they are. Its a fact. Case closed

There aren't a lot of players under 22 in the league anyway but I'm willing to bet Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph aren't in the top 15. It's fact that they aren't Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry or Derrick Rose good. Case closed.