kam77 wrote:So then Amare can't do what Webber did.

Passing of Webber,... the willingness to passs... changed the complexion of that team... for the better.

Amare is ... to put it bluntly... "just a scorer". And not going to make the team a whole lot better by himself scoring a lot.

Not hatin Amare... we will be better... but we won't make the kind of jump you're thinking.

Kings didnt get better right away because Webber could pass. They got better right away because they added an all star frontcourt player. The point of the thread isnt in comparing the skill set, its in comparing the effect that adding talent has, and how playing with talent makes other guys better.

Lee was good rebounder, but we had ZERO physical presence in the paint last year on either end of the court. Amare not only scores at 55% and draws fouls and double teams he's guarding the other team's best post player. When the Suns beat the Spurs Amare was all over Duncan. Same w/ Aldridge and Gasol. He's not just a scorer, and everyone on the floor will benefit from his physical play

In terms of being able to finally run Mike's offense, this roster really is much more tailored to that. Now add to this the fact that our best player has pretty much LIVED in this system most of his career and that will be a huge part of how this team does early on. It's not like these players will be unfamiliar with what is going on. They will need to learn each other, but being in the right spots and knowing the plays should be fairly smooth. Amar'e takes the pressure off the other guys and is the focal point of the offense. This is why Amar'e will have a big impact.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:It depends on what his supporting cast does. If they defer to him too much then I don't believe he will have the same impact because he will frequently draw double-teams. On the other hand, if they are aggressive and spread the defense, then yes I believe he could have that type of impact.

Mike's offense by default is gonna spread the floor. The record shows that his teams are always hard to stop from scoring and now we have a supporting cast that is far more compatible with what he wants to do. IMO there's no way that teams are going to easily be able to handle our PnR and also still stop the perimeter shooting. If you could get open looks with only Lee as a PnR focal point, just imagine a threat like Amar'e.

Yes Amar'e is more of a finisher than a Point Forward, but he doesn't have to be in this offense. It would be nice to see him passing more, but that's not his game. It may be that he gets more assists here tho, cuz we don't have Nash. Nash kind of warps the way this offense is supposed to work. He holds the ball WAY more than the plays actually are designed to go. Don't expect Felton to hold it as long and expect assists to be more spread out among the whole team.

Its kind of a chicken and egg situation. If Gallo and Chandler are going to stay back and launch threes, it won't matter
if they do spread the floor because the defense will let them have it and try to keep Amare from getting hot or getting a put
back. My concern is that they will try to run too much of the offense through him and rely too much on jumpers.
I want to see Gallo and Chandler drive more, draw in the defense and if necessary, kick it to Amare for the finish.
That's how you keep the defense honest IMO, by showing that he isn't the only inside threat.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:It depends on what his supporting cast does. If they defer to him too much then I don't believe he will have the same impact because he will frequently draw double-teams. On the other hand, if they are aggressive and spread the defense, then yes I believe he could have that type of impact.

Mike's offense by default is gonna spread the floor. The record shows that his teams are always hard to stop from scoring and now we have a supporting cast that is far more compatible with what he wants to do. IMO there's no way that teams are going to easily be able to handle our PnR and also still stop the perimeter shooting. If you could get open looks with only Lee as a PnR focal point, just imagine a threat like Amar'e.

Yes Amar'e is more of a finisher than a Point Forward, but he doesn't have to be in this offense. It would be nice to see him passing more, but that's not his game. It may be that he gets more assists here tho, cuz we don't have Nash. Nash kind of warps the way this offense is supposed to work. He holds the ball WAY more than the plays actually are designed to go. Don't expect Felton to hold it as long and expect assists to be more spread out among the whole team.

Its kind of a chicken and egg situation. If Gallo and Chandler are going to stay back and launch threes, it won't matter
if they do spread the floor because the defense will let them have it and try to keep Amare from getting hot or getting a put
back. My concern is that they will try to run too much of the offense through him and rely too much on jumpers.
I want to see Gallo and Chandler drive more, draw in the defense and if necessary, kick it to Amare for the finish.
That's how you keep the defense honest IMO, by showing that he isn't the only inside threat.

This offense is an attacking offense. Despite all the 3's that they shoot, the aim is high % scoring which is a hallmark of his offense when run right. That was missing from our team the last 2 years cuz as you say people were jackin 3's and not using all of the offensive options. Mike wants the high % shot 1st and early in the offense. The 3 is open as a result of the defense adjusting to stop the inside attack. So it's Inside with PnR 1st and everything else after that. That's how you end up with a near 50% team FG %.

That was my original point, that everyone has to be aggressive (unlike last couple of years) or coach's system won't be
effective and Amare won't have the same impact that Webber had. Its a question of finally putting D'Antoni's philosophy
to work on the floor (as you put it) but it also can't just be Amare as the inside man or they will zone in on him.
In Phoenix, Amare wasn't the only guy who took it to the rim. That's what I was trying to get at.

iSergio wrote:Amar'e Stoudemire = Chris Webber
Danilo Gallinari = Peja Stojakovic
Raymond Felton = Mike Bibby
Toney Douglas = Bobby Jackson

We need someone to be Vlade Divac and Doug Christie.

I already compared fields to Christie in the past. So you can put a check next to that too.

CrushAlot wrote:

kam77 wrote:webber could pass.

Great point. So could Vlade.

that was more of a factor then anything...they complimented each other tremendously, injuries derailed there goals, along with age..they miss a true 2 way sg, christie was a very good defender, but a suspect offensive player..

This team/system needs a dominate premiter player to go along with a smart PG to play alongside amare.
Notice a difference in Jason Rich's game when amare took off after the all star break..

I really would love to scoop a SG/PG like ty evans from sac..I would flat out give up gallo and TD..

20-5-5 his rookie campaign..all 82 games

fishmike wrote:

kam77 wrote:webber could pass.

one of the best passing bigs ever. Def one of CWebs strengths. Where Amare has him beat is in the way he scores. Webber took a lot more jumpers. Webber was a less physical scorer than Amare. Amare imposes his will on the basket and it shows in his FTs and FG%. Amare is over 55% and I think CWeb is like 48%.

Not sure I could clearly pick one over the other. Probably Amare because of attacking mentality and his ability to change games at the FT line, but both were bigtime players

WADR - I think Sabonis was the best passing big in recent memory. Heck he used to throw no look behind the back passes!