Marv wrote:fields and mosgov are lottery type pick talents? i think that's a huge overstatement. i think these guys went on the cheap for good reason and they're great pick-ups for an organization to take a look at and see what can be developed with them. but lottery type talents - unh-unh. This is what over-hypes expectations and sets guys up for overblown disappointment early in the season when a team has to slowly feel its way through the process of building up a core rotation.

Well at least acknowledge Randolph as being a lotto pick talent. Lots of teams tried trading for that guy. We got lucky we got something nice for Lee, real lucky, just ask Toronto, the Suns, Cleveland and Utah.

Fields - He played great in college (his senior year) so slid by the radar. He led the pac 10 in scoring and is a very heady guy. Not saying a lot but he did look like a lotto talent in summer league. I do believe he was rated as the 6th best summer league player or so that came out of college. Every year guys fall cause their ceiling "has been reached". But smart players who can score like Fields are NOT a dime a dozen. He can be special in his role, very.

Mosgov - After FIBA he really would have been picked in the lotto. Remember the position he plays and he athleticism and size. Also remember that Thabeet went 2 last year. I'd rather have Mosgov as would many. No doubt Mosgov (post Fiba) goes before 15 and probably much lower. Crazy but you know how centers jump up. But you are right, there is a good reason we got him. Teams didn't think he'd get out of his contract and he wasn't really scouted.

Nash's numbers are only slightly better then Felton's during his first 5 seasons..

Olbrannon wrote:All the naysayers forget how many minutes Duhon and Harrington logged last year.
Between those two and changes at center I don't see how the Knicks are not at least
10 games better without any better play from Gallinari Chandler or Douglas and I just
don't see those 3 regressing. Randolph ..these guys don't play 500 I'm for Marv
bringing the torch brigade.

I expect this team to play .500 ball anything less is a failure barring serious injury
and reason for d'Antoni to take his chips and go home

Right at the top we've got Amar'e, Felton & Gallo. I fully expect those guys to be the focus of what we do on offense. 25/15/18 ppg = 58 pts we can expect right there. Then we've still got Chan, AR, TD as our probably next biggest contributors. All should be double digit scorers for us. AZ is also capable, but we'll have to see what he can give us this year.

Being able to play fast again, I expect to avg 107ppg this year and give up 103. If we really improve on D this year that could go down another point to a diff of +4. I'll settle for a +3 right now tho. I think we'll run a lot of weaker teams of the floor which will inflate our avg and point diff. The fact that we've got so many shot blockers is gonna be a key in getting much needed stops and lead to a few more wins as well.

ramtour420 wrote:I don't agree with those grades. I think they are misleading, because they don't take into consideration the position that the team was in before the summer. I mean giving Wiz #2 because with they drafted John Wall? plus a coupla more guys? While they traded for the great Kirk Hinrich and um, Yi Jianlian That musta surely cemented them at #2. Re-signing Josh Howard was likely their best move, and thats not that impressive, imho. Ted Leonsis being mentioned adds even more to the mystery of which moves hold more weight. It shows how little these grades really represent.

How else would you like them to score the teams evenly. The article is titled "Scoring summer moves".

Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP		
1	Ama Stoudemire	22	80	80	36.1	
2	Shawn Marion	26	81	81	38.8	
3	Joe Johnson	23	82	82	39.5	
4	Steve Nash	30	75	75	34.3	
5	Quen Richardson	24	79	78	35.9	
6	Jim Jackson	34	40	3	24.9	
7	Leandro Barbosa	22	63	6	17.3	
8	Casey Jacobsen	23	40	0	19.2	
9	Steven Hunter	23	76	3	13.8	
10	Walter McCarty	30	28	0	12.6	
11	Smush Parker	23	5	0	6.8	
12	Zarko Cabarkapa	23	3	0	3.7		
13	Maciej Lampe	19	16	0	7.4

AnubisADL wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:I don't agree with those grades. I think they are misleading, because they don't take into consideration the position that the team was in before the summer. I mean giving Wiz #2 because with they drafted John Wall? plus a coupla more guys? While they traded for the great Kirk Hinrich and um, Yi Jianlian That musta surely cemented them at #2. Re-signing Josh Howard was likely their best move, and thats not that impressive, imho. Ted Leonsis being mentioned adds even more to the mystery of which moves hold more weight. It shows how little these grades really represent.

How else would you like them to score the teams evenly. The article is titled "Scoring summer moves".

How about this:

1) Excellent trades
2) All-star free agent signings
3) Getting a new coach(depending on the coach, this could move up in importance)
4) Drafting top lottery talent.
5) Resigning own players(unless these are all-stars, then see #2)

Maybe i am missing something, but i think every move should count more if its higher up on the list. Exception here would be a player that fills a glaring need on the team. When a team gets one of those guys it should mean more. I don't have access to read the whole article, but i think we had a better summer than the Wizards and definitely a better summer than the Pacers.

Marv wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Panos wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I look at our off-season like this

we lost Lee +Harrington and some other bit players

gained

7-1 Mosgov
6-10 Stoudemire
6-11 Randolph
6-10 Turriaf

6-8 Fields
6-6 Azubukie
6-5 Mason

6-0 Felton

I have to think that is an A- atleast

I think you have to factor in the picks we traded to Houston.
Although they were not done in the summer they were done to facilitate the summer action.

well have to wait and see on that--I think with Randolph Fields Mosgov--I feel we almost added 3 lottery type pick talents--of course that a wait and see. I was and am still against that move but you have to look forward in life.

fields and mosgov are lottery type pick talents? i think that's a huge overstatement. i think these guys went on the cheap for good reason and they're great pick-ups for an organization to take a look at and see what can be developed with them. but lottery type talents - unh-unh. This is what over-hypes expectations and sets guys up for overblown disappointment early in the season when a team has to slowly feel its way through the process of building up a core rotation.

Would you at least agree that they would be 1st rounders and that Mosgov and Fields might be steals