kam77 wrote:We won 29 games last year.
Think about how few teams ever have double-digit improvement in wins year to year.
So 38 wins is quite reasonable and even optimistic.

48 wins has no basis in reality. We didn't just get Jason Kidd.

Again...the nets had steph..a very good pg at the time of the trade for kidd, they also got rid of KVH the same season..Your talking duhon for felton dude, thats like trading in a camary for a lex.

Duho was so bad for a stretch of 8 to 10 weeks, actually he was horrible (not even ok but horrible) for 85% of the season. i'm not even going to throw in the Nate benching, cause we had a winning record during his benching.

When duhon avg 11.5ppg, and close to 9 ast in 08/09 season playing close to 42 mins a night, we were winning.

Al harrington, larry hughs, tmac, jj, no leadership, miserible attidudes, no pg, constant trade talk, players playing with a "fck it i won't be here next year attitude".

When you have none of those obstacles, belive you me, 48 wins is not out of the question.

knicks1248 wrote:

kam77 wrote:We won 29 games last year.
Think about how few teams ever have double-digit improvement in wins year to year.
So 38 wins is quite reasonable and even optimistic.

48 wins has no basis in reality. We didn't just get Jason Kidd.

Again...the nets had steph..a very good pg at the time of the trade for kidd, they also got rid of KVH the same season..Your talking duhon for felton dude, thats like trading in a camary for a lex.

A good PG makes everyone better. JKidd maximized the talents of KMart and Kittles.

Felton is good, but not on that level. We will be improved, but not by 15+wins.

The ball is in Walsh's (and Melo's) hands. Let's see how it plays out.

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crzymdups wrote:

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

kam77 wrote:We won 29 games last year.
Think about how few teams ever have double-digit improvement in wins year to year.
So 38 wins is quite reasonable and even optimistic.

48 wins has no basis in reality. We didn't just get Jason Kidd.

Amare Stoudemire is a lot better than Jason Kidd at this point. So is Ray Felton.

The team has been totally remodeled from last season. We have, what, three or four guys returning, at most? It's kind of ridiculous to base your expectations for this team on last season's record.

This is the Knicks we have gone through almost 3 overhauls and the result has been the same. New coaches new players and the result has been crappy. 36 wins is very optimistic in my book, a good starting ground for improvement. Lets see if the can handle the pressure of playing in NY where every mistake is scrutinized to a fault. Where Journalist take their shots on a daily basis that chops even the best of the best to mediocre players. Lets put it this way these players have never played in NY its a whole different beast. That is why I laugh at any Ewing vs Amare comparison before seeing what Amare can do with NY on his back.

This is the fist time that Walsh and D'Antoni have been able to bring in players they want here for the long-term (outside of the draft). I'm willing to give them a chance - they've both showed the ability to build teams that compete at the highest level when given the ability to pick their guys.

I think 44 wins this year.

I have said this before 36 wins is the minimum I expect from the Knicks. As for Maximum 40-42 and a lot has to go right for the Knicks to be a 42 win team. Gallo and chandler basically have to step up their game and take it higher 18-20 ppg no if no buts, and they have to be consistent. I truly believe the playoffs ride with these two players Chandler and Gallo. Consistency is the key there is no Al Harrington jacking up shots galore you can't blame the pg anymore. Amare will give you Lee Stats. You have a legit Centers. Only thing I can say is Chandler and Gallo are the focal point and they need to take the bull by the horn produce at a higher level. If they stay where they are in development your looking at a 36 win team.

I don't see Chandler taking the next step- I think what we've seen from him is what he will be- decent role player.

Gallo can still take the next step- but he is early in his career. that is why I agree that the expectations this year for this group should be mid to high 30s. And next year, with internal growth and maybe a FA or draft pick, you can look at this team reaching into the 40's.

I don't know why you think Chandler has reached his potential. I think he has a lot more growing to do. Everyone forgets that he didn't practice all last year in the summer and still put up solid numbers. This year he had a good summer of workout and that will translate to better stats. If you see growth potential in Gallo then you have to see the same in Chandler as both are only 1 year apart in age.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

kam77 wrote:We won 29 games last year.
Think about how few teams ever have double-digit improvement in wins year to year.
So 38 wins is quite reasonable and even optimistic.

48 wins has no basis in reality. We didn't just get Jason Kidd.

Amare Stoudemire is a lot better than Jason Kidd at this point. So is Ray Felton.

The team has been totally remodeled from last season. We have, what, three or four guys returning, at most? It's kind of ridiculous to base your expectations for this team on last season's record.

I mean thats the thing. Name one frontcourt player who had a better 2nd half than Amare last year. The guy is a dominating player who changes games. He guards the best post player, scores at 55%, beats you at the line. People dont realize how much easier he will make things. Felton is a great defensive PG and was so key to that great Bobcats defense last year. How they let him go is beyond me. Thank god for MJ.

I love how you take an all star bigman from a playoff team, the starting PG from a playoff team, add size, skill, youth, athletic role players and you get 38 wins.

The Knicks will be a .500 team if they dont gel right away, because there is a size and talent and veteran leadership.

I have no problem with the 35-38 win total predictions. Who cares. Detroit was 32-50. The next year they were 50-32. They added Cliff Robinson.

Who are the rotation guys? Felton, Douglas, Chandler, Gallo, Amare, AR, Mosgov, Walker, Fields, Turiaf, Azu... take your pick. Every one of those guys plays hard on defense or is already a good defender.

If the Knicks stay reasonably healthy they will play .500 for the first half and better for the 2nd half.

Good Post. I think many people look at the stats and say Lee and Amare are almost a wash. I don't. Amare changes defenses. Lee does not. Amare will demand a double team at certain times, this will open the floor for others to make an impact.

I think Chandler/Walker/Az will hold down the 2 well and back up the 3 well. THe key is at C, if NY can get enough from Turiaf and Mozgov so Amare can play the 4 mostly.

I am optimistically thinking 45 wins.

Sangfroid wrote:
I see things diferently. This is a make or break year for Chandler. He's already been a role type player and now he has to overcome his summer incident AND a surgery. He already tweeted that he's about 85% recovered. When guys talk like that, it's usualy higher. Bet on him to have a break out type of year.

Funny, I was thinking the opposite.

Predicted record: 42-40 and the 7th or 8th seed. I think I've predicted that or something like it every year, but this time I'm super cereal.

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Paladin55 wrote:

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Only way we are sniffing 48 wins is if Gallo and Randolph blow up big this year. Im not counting on it. 38 seems about right. Remember we just replaced David Lee's stats with Amare's. Lets not pretend like Amare anchors a front court defensively. Im just hoping Felton's jumper is improved.

if we can't win at least 41 games w/this roster, the head coach should be fired.

I've pretty much said the same thing.

I've predicted the Knicks to be in the 45-50 range, myself, assuming everyone is healthy.

For me, 41 is a bare minimum, and if Azubuike and Mason are healthy, Gallo continues his growth as a player, AR reaches puberty, and Mosgov is able to play the kind of ball he just played, I will be disappointed if we don't reach the high end of my prediction range.

i agree w/u... if all that plays out like you said, there's really no reason why this team shouldn't win at least 45 games... 41 wins is the bare minimum mark barring any major injuries to Amare, Gallo & Felton.