EwingsGlass wrote:So, as I read the question, it is where does he rank in terms of "prospects" in any given draft. I differentiate that from where he is rated talent-wise. First, he is already 24 years old. That's generally 4 or 5 years older than other "top" propspects. Also, Mozgov's already played professionally in international play. The way I see it, the key to drafting prospects is predicting what they can become... the question about Mozgov as a prospect is whether he will 'develop' into a player or is this the player you are getting? With that in mind, you have to discount his upside. That said, I think he can step right in and be a defensive presence off the bench, maybe like a Steven Hunter. That puts him in the 15 to 30 range in my opinion--- where players can get drafted early or drop based upon need, scouting and personality.

The biggest difference here is that Mozgov has an NBA ready body. So, if a 23 yr old Mozgov was on the board in 2009, would you draft 22 year old Thabeet (2nd overall) over him? How about 20 yr old BJ Mullens (24th overall)? He probably gets taken 8th by the Knicks instead of J Hill.

He's got long arms as well--once he understands positioning a little better--so he doesnt create contact--he's going to be a very fine shot-blocker which i had no idea about. He's got some things he's going to have to work on--step 1 will be not drawing fouls--if he can work on his overall game(namely rebounding and developing a post game) over the next 2 years/ finds the rhythm of the game--he will be a very nice player and will make a lot of money in the nBA.

I'm pretty psyched about the guy to be honest. All he does is hustle, block shots, and look for pick and roll offense.

Did anyone notice that he was setting up p&r opportunities from all kinds of different angles? I'm sure that's what made Donnie and Mike want to grab this guy. He has the chance to be a game changer for short bursts. Only thing holding him back is that you can tell he'd foul out in 20 minutes, and we have Amare who will need to score the same way that Mozgov does.

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its hard to say where he would be drafted. There was a period where teams drafted foreign guys really high and then some teams got burned, most notably Denver. After that teams have been cautious with picks and most guys have been drafted in the second round and teams retain their rights. The reality is that euro players become eligible for the draft at a certain age, 18 or 19. Teams can draft them even if they are under contract and wait on them like the Spurs are doing with Tiago Splitter. No one has drafted Timofey for the last 5 years that he has been eligible. So in regards to this post he would not have been a top 3 pick. Even if he had a bad contract, see rubio, he would have been drafted if his talent was worth the pick.

I never heard of Mosgov before the Knicks signed him. I think I watched Mosgov 4 times(one game was his real bad game) in the wc--I think that he is raw but wouldve rode the wave of his size and athletic ability + production in this tourney to a top 10 pick in this last draft if they played prior to it. I don't think it's anything but exposure and timing. How many players move up the board when they play well in the NCAA's--happens every year. He's a non exposure player who obviously has just started coming into his own--he would ve been drafted high if the draft was held after this event--not based on hype but rather size/athletic ability and his production against some very good teams. If you dont think so--go look at the guys picked 5-10/12 or so and then think about it.

a week ago you were complaining because we wasted a roster spot on Mozgov instead of Earl Barron.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=36345&page=1

CrushAlot wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its hard to say where he would be drafted. There was a period where teams drafted foreign guys really high and then some teams got burned, most notably Denver. After that teams have been cautious with picks and most guys have been drafted in the second round and teams retain their rights. The reality is that euro players become eligible for the draft at a certain age, 18 or 19. Teams can draft them even if they are under contract and wait on them like the Spurs are doing with Tiago Splitter. No one has drafted Timofey for the last 5 years that he has been eligible. So in regards to this post he would not have been a top 3 pick. Even if he had a bad contract, see rubio, he would have been drafted if his talent was worth the pick.

I never heard of Mosgov before the Knicks signed him. I think I watched Mosgov 4 times(one game was his real bad game) in the wc--I think that he is raw but wouldve rode the wave of his size and athletic ability + production in this tourney to a top 10 pick in this last draft if they played prior to it. I don't think it's anything but exposure and timing. How many players move up the board when they play well in the NCAA's--happens every year. He's a non exposure player who obviously has just started coming into his own--he would ve been drafted high if the draft was held after this event--not based on hype but rather size/athletic ability and his production against some very good teams. If you dont think so--go look at the guys picked 5-10/12 or so and then think about it.

a week ago you were complaining because we wasted a roster spot on Mozgov instead of Earl Barron.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=36345&page=1

My point was that I don't see D'Antoni playing Mosgov and that he did play Barron. I still don't see D'Antoni playing Mosgov much and I think Barron is more than worthy of a roster spot. I never said Mosgov wasn't worth a roster spot I said the coach won't play him.

i wasn't referring to you w/that last comment Crush.

Markji wrote:Where would he be picked. Look at Mosgov vs Jordan Hill (#8 pick 2009)
Mosgov is 24; Jordan Hill is 23 years old now.

I like Mosgov! He is the tough inside man we have needed. Alternate him with Turiaf and we have a tough duo. Those South Beach guys will hesitate to drive to the basket knowing that Mosgov is going to put a body on them.

Yea Wade and Lebron will be scares of Mosgov. Lol.

AnubisADL wrote:

Markji wrote:Where would he be picked? Look at Mosgov vs Jordan Hill (#8 pick 2009)
Mosgov is 24; Jordan Hill is 23 years old now.

I like Mosgov! He is the tough inside man we have needed. Alternate him with Turiaf and we have a tough duo. Those South Beach guys will hesitate to drive to the basket knowing that Mosgov is going to put a body on them.

Yea Wade and Lebron will be scares of Mosgov. Lol.

ATrain wrote:Here we go again overrating Knick players. Let's just wait and see what happens, how about that?

Right..some think Earl Barron is a top 10 pick..go figure

ATrain wrote:Here we go again overrating Knick players. Let's just wait and see what happens, how about that?

other than the original post who asked the question....everyone has pretty much said no. Your post seems to make no sense. no disrespect intended...just don't get where your coming from

As far as the Derick Favors listing, who is also a raw prospect, I agree with the others.