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Elite
Posts: 26372 Alba Posts: 23 Joined: 12/30/2003 Member: #510 |
9/10/2010 12:11 PM
let him and Amare split time at the 5.. **** it
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Moonangie
Posts: 24766 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 7/9/2009 Member: #2788 |
9/10/2010 12:14 PM
Elite wrote:let him and Amare split time at the 5.. **** it MDA is going to move guys around to create mismatches. Why anyone is concerned about "positions" is beyond me. AR brings length, speed, athleticism and a young growing body to at least 3 positions for us (and I bet the 5 will be mainly for defense, not scoring). He's going to feast like the vamps in True Blood. He's going to go off on guys. |
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Elite
Posts: 26372 Alba Posts: 23 Joined: 12/30/2003 Member: #510 |
9/10/2010 12:25 PM
Moonangie wrote:Elite wrote:let him and Amare split time at the 5.. **** it most centers are not quick enough to guard him, he will slide past for offensive rebounds and take the off the dribble all day. sure he will get outmuscled at times... But the kid is young, let him get stronger... in the meantime take full advantage of the mismatches he will create in our favor... it works both ways |
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smackeddog
Posts: 38390 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
9/10/2010 12:55 PM
If you go to that youtube page with the AR video, there are interviews with all the players that were introduced that day (Turiaf, Azubuike, Felton)- don't know why they took so long to surface. Anyway, interestingly Raymond Felton said he planned on getting in the best shape of his life- yeah, yeah, I know lots of players claim this, but hopefully he was telling the truth- hopefully thats what he's been busy doing and explains why he hasn't been working out with the other players.
However I hope he turns up soon- he's meant to be a leader on this team and he's going to play such an improtant role for us he really needs to get an early start on mastering the new system and getting used to the other players. |
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39925 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
9/10/2010 1:13 PM LAST EDITED: 9/10/2010 1:58 PM
AR is still too skinny too play power forward and with his reckless style of play, it's prolly asking too much of him to have to guard centers. I know Amar'e is hesitant to play center, but his best season featured him mainly at the center spot. With his speed and athleticism, it's impossible for any center to keep up with him.
Ar will probably be our super 6th man coming of the bench, but I can a see lineup with Stat at center, Ar at power forward and Gallo at small forward for a good portion of the season. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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earthmansurfer
Posts: 24005 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/26/2005 Member: #858 Germany |
9/10/2010 1:44 PM
Outside of smackeddog, have you guys watched the video? The coaching staff has told AR that he will play the 4. I'm a bit perplexed by this though, for as many have said, D'Antoni likes to move people around to create mismatches.
smackeddog - It is nice what Raymond Felton said, and I believe him. From his point he is going from playing under Brown's half court sets to full court and running, like he did in college. The guy isn't only stoked, but knows he will have to get in better shape to do that (not that he is in bad shape, he just has that build...) The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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fishmike
Posts: 53851 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
9/10/2010 2:21 PM
iSergio wrote:Exactly. What are we going to do if Carmelo Anthony get's traded to Chicago or Orlando? How are we supposed to even be in games against Miami's Big 3, the Magic with Dwight Howard and Melo or the Bulls with Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer and Melo? You need Stars to win in this league! We only have 1 Star in Amar'e Stoudemire and as much as some of you want to play wannabe GM and pencil Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph as Stars, they are not. Gallo and Randolph do NOT have Star talent. They are ROLE PLAYERS. Period.Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Tayshawn Prince, Rip Hamilton, Chauncy Billups. Carmello is better than all those guys (a lot better by your standards). Yet Carmello has advanced in the playoffs only 1 year and has never outplayed an elite player in a 7 games series. Yet the 5 guys I mentioned won a title and beat a loaded Shaq/Kobe team. Sergio and VMart... your thinking is so flawed its not even funny. First of all you have no idea what Gallo/AR ceilings are. Second it doesnt matter, because Melo isnt winning you anything if you trade him for those guys. Melo isnt in the same class as Lebron and Wade so using that as your counter punch to compete with Miami ensures you will ALWAYS be behind them. Look at those Pistons teams that went to b2b finals. The way you win is to have size and skill and depth at every position. With Turiaf healthy and after seeing Mosgov compete at a high level against NBA players the Knicks have 5 guys with size and skill in Gallo/AR/Amare/Mosgov/Turiaf who are all 6'10+ to play the 3/4/5. That is the Knicks best chance to build a champion. Not by adding a volume shooter with poor %s who defends nobody. Who cares if Chi gets him. I hope they do. They will have to trade their defensive center to get that done. Guys who take 30 shots a game at 45% and dont guard anyone dont win titles. We are better keeping our young players in rookie contracts and keeping the cap space. Melo isnt Lebron or Wade. Those guys are once in a decade franchise caliber players. You take any chance you can to get one. Melo is a volume scorer who doesnt defend and has made a couple all star games. Lot easier to get down the road. ZERO reason to make this trade now. ZERO Case closed. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
9/10/2010 2:26 PM
iSergio wrote:This is another reason why you include Anthony Randolph in a trade for Carmelo Anthony - his ceiling here might just be a bench player. He's not going to be our starting PF with Amar'e Stoudemire here. He's not going to be a SF with Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler here. So where does he play? Is he really a legit 30 mpg starting Center? Chances are he's not. Randolph best case is probably a 25 mpg bench player being a Andrei Kirilenko type. You trade these players for Stars like Melo. Case closed. every last word u sau ius based on your own fantasy of what you believe denver will take--if they even wanbt a package from the knicks---the true cost would probably be randolph fields gallo chandler mosgov--andcury 2 make it work--still want him?itsnot gallo and a pick its everythinhg we have RIP Crushalot😞
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Moonangie
Posts: 24766 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 7/9/2009 Member: #2788 |
9/10/2010 3:41 PM
BRIGGS wrote:iSergio wrote:This is another reason why you include Anthony Randolph in a trade for Carmelo Anthony - his ceiling here might just be a bench player. He's not going to be our starting PF with Amar'e Stoudemire here. He's not going to be a SF with Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler here. So where does he play? Is he really a legit 30 mpg starting Center? Chances are he's not. Randolph best case is probably a 25 mpg bench player being a Andrei Kirilenko type. You trade these players for Stars like Melo. Case closed. Which is why we wait it out, even at the cost of losing Melo. He's not the franchise guy you trade your core to acquire. |
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34060 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
9/10/2010 3:45 PM
AR is no center... if the Knicks' hope is little stick boy stopping Dwight Howard then may as well start planning for the lotto
Maybe he can grow into that role moving forward but he sure as hell ain't there yet DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
9/10/2010 4:19 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:AR is no center... if the Knicks' hope is little stick boy stopping Dwight Howard then may as well start planning for the lotto My thinking is the Knicks would want Amar'e guarding Dwight Howard while Little Stick Boy (I have officially stolen that from you. Thanks! :-P) either roams around or guards the lesser talented big man (So he can help) or he spends spot minutes guarding a guard. I agree though. I don't want Little Stick Boy guarding Dwight Howard or Shaq or Pau Gasol Kendrick Perkins or anyone of that nature. “Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
9/10/2010 4:28 PM
There have been skinny kids that have played some minutes at C before. It's not really something I'd expect to see often, but when he's in there as a "Center" his official designation is insignificant since we'd likely be playing zone anyway. Why do so many keep relying on tired old traditional thinking as if the kid is gonna be banging away play after play inside all game. With his length and athletic ability he can front his man or play him 3/4 as opposed to right behind him getting pushed under the basket. No one should expect him to actually play like a traditional C at this stage. The idea is to use his length, speed and athletic ability as part of a super fast lineup.
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39925 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
9/10/2010 5:23 PM
nixluva wrote:There have been skinny kids that have played some minutes at C before. It's not really something I'd expect to see often, but when he's in there as a "Center" his official designation is insignificant since we'd likely be playing zone anyway. Why do so many keep relying on tired old traditional thinking as if the kid is gonna be banging away play after play inside all game. With his length and athletic ability he can front his man or play him 3/4 as opposed to right behind him getting pushed under the basket. No one should expect him to actually play like a traditional C at this stage. The idea is to use his length, speed and athletic ability as part of a super fast lineup. Yeah, that's fine in the NCAAs, but he will have to bang with some big boys if he plays center. Box outs, charges etc. I don't expect the kid to play like a traditional five or four for that matter. But there very little you can do to hide him on defense. And as for the other skinny guys who have play center like Dalembert and Camby, those guys are still bigger than Randolph. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
9/10/2010 5:42 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:nixluva wrote:There have been skinny kids that have played some minutes at C before. It's not really something I'd expect to see often, but when he's in there as a "Center" his official designation is insignificant since we'd likely be playing zone anyway. Why do so many keep relying on tired old traditional thinking as if the kid is gonna be banging away play after play inside all game. With his length and athletic ability he can front his man or play him 3/4 as opposed to right behind him getting pushed under the basket. No one should expect him to actually play like a traditional C at this stage. The idea is to use his length, speed and athletic ability as part of a super fast lineup. I understand what you're saying, but I think it's overstated to the degree that there aren't that many really big tough C's anyway. IF AR is gonna be at C at all it'll be when the other teams 2nd unit or smaller lineup is out there and we can afford to play small. That's how I see him being used at C. There's no way Mike is just gonna have him exposed like that against the bigger guys. |
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
9/10/2010 9:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:iSergio wrote:This is another reason why you include Anthony Randolph in a trade for Carmelo Anthony - his ceiling here might just be a bench player. He's not going to be our starting PF with Amar'e Stoudemire here. He's not going to be a SF with Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler here. So where does he play? Is he really a legit 30 mpg starting Center? Chances are he's not. Randolph best case is probably a 25 mpg bench player being a Andrei Kirilenko type. You trade these players for Stars like Melo. Case closed. Briggs, you have no clue as to what Denver wants you yourself seem to be fantasizing about any deal. You are just throwing names out there to discourage anyone who might be a Melo fan in favor of Randolph. |
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
9/10/2010 9:57 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:I agree. Two things have held Randolph back, his coach and injuries. He has amazing skills for a guy his size. The Knicks are lucky they got to deal with the Warriors in the sign and trade. Someone said it in August, David Lee is the Knicks Herschel Walker.iSergio wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:I never said he's Magic Johnson and now you're just starting to talk out of your ars so it's not even worth argueing anymore.A big man who can handle the ball, block shots, shoot, has great athleticism, is getting bigger and stronger and busts it on both ends I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
9/11/2010 3:48 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:Silverfuel wrote:iSergio wrote:This is another reason why you include Anthony Randolph in a trade for Carmelo Anthony - his ceiling here might just be a bench player. He's not going to be our starting PF with Amar'e Stoudemire here. He's not going to be a SF with Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler here. So where does he play? Is he really a legit 30 mpg starting Center? Chances are he's not. Randolph best case is probably a 25 mpg bench player being a Andrei Kirilenko type. You trade these players for Stars like Melo. Case closed. if we had Melo on this team would you trade him for AR? of course not... i don't see why it's even a debate... AR has not proven a thing in the NBA... Melo is already a star & he's not even hit his prime yet... the choice is simple AFAIC. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34060 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
9/11/2010 3:56 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:AR is no center... if the Knicks' hope is little stick boy stopping Dwight Howard then may as well start planning for the lotto Feel free! I give away pearls, not sell them I agree with that line of thinking. in fact I do think you could rotate three Cs if necessary: Little Stick Boy guards the Cambys of the world, Amar'e guards the Howards, and Gallo guards the Okurs DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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