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TIMO: "I Want To Play 10-15 Minutes"
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crzymdups
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9/7/2010  9:05 PM
technomaster wrote:Does anyone interpret only 10-15 minutes as low self-esteem or is he just being humble? :) I mean, doesn't he want to start? :)

i interpret it as realism. it seems like he's already spoken to the coach about his role. the knicks head of international scouting said they would be looking for 5-15 minutes from him this year.

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9/7/2010  10:32 PM
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I agree with this. I also think there is a very legitimate concern when a coach of a rebuilding team that wins 29 games chooses to play marginal vets with expiring contracts over rookies that are supposed to be a part of the future. No one has answered the question, Why was Jonathon Bender getting minutes over Jordan Hill yet.

are you all trying to suggest that darko and hughes are model nba players for coaches? because the record does not suggest this.

what exactly does "coach" them mean to you? again, sometimes some personalities don't mesh between a coach and a player, and sometimes some players have a hard time fitting on any team at all.

so, you are more comfortable dismissing an entire career of hughes and darko over a few games at the end of the season where whenever new players come to their new teams they are usually happy at a new shot.

when hughes came here first he did well for a bit, but then he didn't. so he was made to sit, and what do you know...cried again, like he did in chicago. dude has played for 7 teams over his career...wonder why...

not exactly a shining example of a player to judge a coach by.

again, we can go down the line of players that no matter who the coach have never responded to anyone, and we can sometimes see some who find that one coach that they do mesh with.

as for darko, the dude ended up on an even worse team than the knicks, so he was able to get time. the knicks had a far deeper lineup than the t-wolves, last year of guys who the team wanted to play.

look, i'm not saying mda did a stellar job last year, but i also think it's a bit over the top to only judge a coach by what they did with a roster as it was over the past two years, especially focusing on fringe players like darko and hughes as measuring sticks, and not pay attention to what was done in the past, as well as some other positive developments of players that were here (gallo, chandler, lee, td, walker).

i can't say i expect you to see it this way, but i think the entire picture says mda has shown positives, and struggled with the transitional phase. however, i don't think that is what mda was here to do, although they hoped he could help. he is here to coach a team made up of talent that matches his system. that's where he's been successful.

a coach does not just have to be a motivator, coaches like mda have a system that they want to run, but needs the right players to fit it.

that's the direction we are going. we'll see what happens.

I don't know what happened with Darko and Hughes but I don't think D'Antoni was blameless. My point was that his greatest disservice he did to the future of the team was not to play the rookies. The Knicks were going nowhere after starting out 1-9 and finished with 29 wins. I will ask the same question, how do you play Bender over your lottery pick Jordan Hill on a 29 win team. Up until the trade deadline the only guys that were a part of the future last year were Hill, Douglas, Gallo and Chandler. Not playing Douglas until the March road trip and not playing Hill was a disservice to the team and the future that D'Antoni was supposed to be helping to build. The fact that there was conflict and drama with other guys on the team shouldn't be excused because they were not perfect guys. D'Antoni is supposed to be a marquee coach. Marquee coaches should be able to adjust to different personalities. In my opinion, D'Antoni has shown that he needs and values character, and maturity in a players game and demeanor much more than talent from a guy that might display an attitude or talent possessed by a young player that might need to play and be coached before he is a finished project.
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9/7/2010  11:10 PM
Why is it that we have to overlook Mike's longer history with getting great results out of players in favor of the garbage we had in terms of bad apples over the last 2 years. There's a reason we got rid of those guys. Then when it comes to rookies, that's always a coaches prerogative. You have to allow a coach to decide how much is enough for a young player. Despite what many think I don't believe it really hurt TD at all in his development. It usually takes close to 3 years for young PG's to really learn the pro game unless they're special. There's no way TD was gonna go from SG to PG last year no matter how many minutes he played. It's gonna take more time than that to teach him the position. I think both Donnie and Mike saw what they needed to see from Hill and figured that he was trade fodder. If they're wrong so be it, but that's clearly the judgement that was made.

Timo i'm sure will receive a bit more special treatment than what Darko and Hill got, mainly cuz of the drama associated with those 2. Media and some fans want to make it an indictment of Mike's coaching, so they'll be sure to remove that issue this year. No matter how you look at Darko and Hill, I just don't think we missed out on much. I mean we're talking about Darko here and who knows about Hill, but I think it's safe to say that he was in need of more work on his game IN PRACTICE and over the summer.

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9/8/2010  1:18 AM
If he sucks and never plays for us for 9 million dollars "I want to play 10-15 minutes" will become new UK lore like"The Streak" did Larry Brown's year.
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9/8/2010  1:54 AM
93BUICK wrote:If he sucks and never plays for us for 9 million dollars "I want to play 10-15 minutes" will become new UK lore like"The Streak" did Larry Brown's year.

I thought only some of it was guaranteed. In any event he's got some time to show what he's got. His size, quickness and agility are gonna make him worth taking a long look. He's not your typical lumbering 7'er. I think being around Amar'e is gonna be good for him. If we still had Hill it would've been a good thing for him too. Having Turiaf is also a good look. Both guys have BIG HEART and have been on winners. Moreover they both have said they want to take on a leadership role, which is freakin GREAT!

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9/8/2010  8:03 AM
crzymdups wrote:
technomaster wrote:Does anyone interpret only 10-15 minutes as low self-esteem or is he just being humble? :) I mean, doesn't he want to start? :)

i interpret it as realism. it seems like he's already spoken to the coach about his role. the knicks head of international scouting said they would be looking for 5-15 minutes from him this year.

exactly... he's a rookie in the NBA. Whats he supposed to say? He's going to start and log 40 minutes?

I think the 10-15 minutes notion is that he's expecting to get in every game.

Anyone remember Steven Hunter on the Suns? played about 10-15 mins. He would give you some good hustle and size off the bench. Block some shots, play some good d. He was a great bench player for those teams. I think Phili then offered him more money and he fizzled. Point is thats the kind of play I expect from Mosgov

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9/8/2010  8:09 AM
Just remember, in Russia, you can only play 20 minutes, so 10 to 15 minutes is really the equivalent of playing big NBA minutes, in Russia. He may be very confident, but hey, lets see what he can do on the court.

I think it's fair to say that our expectations should be low but we should be very anxious to see how the kid plays here anyway. It could go either way.

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9/8/2010  1:06 PM
nixluva wrote:
93BUICK wrote:If he sucks and never plays for us for 9 million dollars "I want to play 10-15 minutes" will become new UK lore like"The Streak" did Larry Brown's year.

I thought only some of it was guaranteed. In any event he's got some time to show what he's got. His size, quickness and agility are gonna make him worth taking a long look. He's not your typical lumbering 7'er. I think being around Amar'e is gonna be good for him. If we still had Hill it would've been a good thing for him too. Having Turiaf is also a good look. Both guys have BIG HEART and have been on winners. Moreover they both have said they want to take on a leadership role, which is freakin GREAT!

I wish you were managing my jazz career Nix- nothing gets you down!

If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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9/8/2010  1:15 PM
93BUICK wrote:
nixluva wrote:
93BUICK wrote:If he sucks and never plays for us for 9 million dollars "I want to play 10-15 minutes" will become new UK lore like"The Streak" did Larry Brown's year.

I thought only some of it was guaranteed. In any event he's got some time to show what he's got. His size, quickness and agility are gonna make him worth taking a long look. He's not your typical lumbering 7'er. I think being around Amar'e is gonna be good for him. If we still had Hill it would've been a good thing for him too. Having Turiaf is also a good look. Both guys have BIG HEART and have been on winners. Moreover they both have said they want to take on a leadership role, which is freakin GREAT!

I wish you were managing my jazz career Nix- nothing gets you down!


We'll my little Hip Hop group "One Thurd" is doing really well down here in Georgia. All I can tell you is that you have to position yourself prominently. I get gigs where there are more eyes on them and the video is much more impressive when there's a huge crowd. Car shows and Drag strips are big down here. College is another huge gathering down here. Also High School Football games and rallies. You just have to be creative in your thinking and not just look for traditional gigs at clubs, unless you're opening for a bigger act which as you know is always a good look. I promote like crazy and try to do different things to spice up the show. The best thing is to directly engage the audience, by having them take part in the performance in some way. Sing lyrics, clap, wave or do some dance etc. Also Video tape EVERYTHING and post it on youtube. You never know who is watching and it's good to show your active.

Look at what seeing more video of Timo has done for confidence in what he might be able to do. Now there's less mystery as to whether he's any good and the same would be true of you.

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9/8/2010  2:58 PM
A couple of years ago Mosgov would be the cornerstone of this franchise there was so little talent on this squad. 10-15 minutes sounds realistic, he isn't pushing it.
TIMO: "I Want To Play 10-15 Minutes"

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