Moonangie wrote:

iSergio wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Yeah this is a little ridiculous. I know Rudy has some upside, but putting him in the same deal as AR is an absolute joke. AR is a lottery pick with star upside, Rudy is a late first round pick with starter upside.

No, he isn't. And that's the problem. Some of you are being ridiculous with Anthony Randolph. He's not going to be a Star. He'll be a good role player if he stays healthy and accepts a role. Other teams know this.

Umm... wrong. Don't have much of an eye for talent, eh Serg? AR has a unique combination of skills, length, and athleticism. You may be right that he won't be a superstar, but he will certainly be an incredibly productive player and most likely an all-star a few times.

Yup, the only two things that would have a chance at holding him back are his health and his ego. If he has an ego like Marbury or he turns out he's lazy like Curry, then his skills will go to waste, but I doubt this, so it's really just his health holding him back. If he's healthy, he'll be an all star.

BRIGGS wrote:
I don't mind giving either a restricted future 1 or 2 2's. I like what the C's did in terms of going deep into the roster with quality depth--even though Mike D plays less--I think our strength will show in depth and smart guy like him should be able to recognize that. I would like to enhance the roster by trading for Fernandez and bring Barron back on board as @ PF. I would encourage rautins to play overseas learning the PG position while his knee fully heals--and that gives us the roster spots

That would give us

C-Randolph Mosgov Turriaf
F Stoudemire Randolph Barron
F Gallinari Walker
G Chandler Fernandez Fields
G Felton Douglas Mason

IR
Azubukie
Curry

We can play fast--we can play with two 7 footers we can play small

I'd like Walsh to get those two players, but unfortunately it seems we can't get Rudy because the Portland GM is smoking crack when constructing possible trades for him. They started off by saying they wanted a draft pick or a good player, the Knicks offered them Chandler, the Celtics and the Bulls offered a 1st rounder. Then they change their minds and said that because their owner is rich enough to buy first rounders they have no value to them (I've never heard such a BS argument!) and they want a good player AND a pick, and it seems that the only kind of pick they're interested in is a mid to lottery pick, despite Rudy having been a late first rounder. Unfortunately you can't deal with teams when they're being like that, and it seems like they really are the type of team that would rather see him rot on their roster and sit out 2 years, even if it means they get nothing, than trade him without being the clear winner of the deal.

As for Barron, he really should fire his agent- this isn't even the first time he's been left high and dry- if you look at his stats for 2007-08 with the Heat he averaged 7.1pts and 4.3 boards in 19 mins- alright, not brilliant, but good enough for a 7 footer to have an nba contract. But no, he ended up out of the league for nearly 2 seasons, then gets another chance, does well, but somehow doesn't get signed AGAIN despite it being one of the biggest FA offseasons with plenty of teams with plenty of capspace.

It's really annoying- both these moves would really help us and should under normal circumstances be do-able, but unfortunately we're being thwarted by stubborn and irrational GMs and agents.

I guess what we're stuck with now is once again hoping Curry can give us anything, and that maybe Mason Jr or Bill Walker can step up their games. Coupled with the news that Azubuike may be out for a few more months, I'm not as optimistic about this season as I was a few weeks ago, though I hope I'm wrong.

If we were to trade Chandler for Fernandez I would expect a pick coming back to us.

Even at the 2 I think Chandler is a better player.

Fernandez may be a better shooter, but Chandler is a better defender, Chandler is better in just about every other facet of the game.

knicks1248 wrote:Rudy has just as much upside in this system as AR, and would start ahead of any 2g on our team including AZ, however, AR is a athletic big, and that would be asssine to trade him for a small shooter.

Fields for rudy is a joke, you guys are under estimating Rudy's potential, or over estimating fields, who's yet to log an NBA minute..Portland is a little over the top with adding a good player along with a 1st rnd pick, IMO they do deserve the mid 1st rndr, and a solid player like walker...but nothing more.

With the amount of 3's the knicks will shoot, Rudy would really be a GEM..

We talk about AR having a Career year, but MDA turns his bigs into jumper shooters, everyone of them, and I know AR seems like he as a respectable jumper, but he has no 3 pointer and neither does Amare.

Look at LEE he made it a priority to develope his jumper, and was dedicated to developing a 3 (with the idea of remaining in ny). Al said it himself, he was ask to shoot 3's more then anything, even JJ (who made people cringe when he hoisted up a 3) had to develope the shot.

Rudy's worth to this roster is a lot higher then some think

2. Fields may just be a bit below Rudy, but in terms of what he can offer a team I think he'll end up being a solid contributor like Matt Barnes type of guy. Does a lot of things well, not great, but hustles and fills in where needed.

3. MDA doesn't mess up bigs. So far he's enhanced the game of Amar'e who actually benefitted from adding range to his game. Diaw who he helped realize his full potential. Lee was pumped up to the point where he could not only get an All Star nod, but a nice fat contract. His inflated stats are a direct correlation to how MDA used him. Al Harrington should kiss Mike's butt for how he was allowed to bring his scoring back up and make him more attractive in a contract year. He was buried on the bench and labeled a trouble maker with low value before Mike revived his career. I see no evidence that he's messed up any of his bigs by changing their game in a negative way.

Al left here with no better rep then when he came..he could of sat on the bench the whole year, and would have lost very little as far as value..I don't want you to mistake my comments, as if im in support of a AR for Rudy trade, cause Im not.. Im just suprise at how many look at rudy as having little value. As a matter of fact, his value is about equal to Al, anywhere starting at 3-5 mill per . Remember, we didn't just trade AR for Lee, we got 3 solid players in return, so at this point, how high is AR's value.

Thats why your going to get very little for AR at this point, that goes for Gallo and Chandler as well, these are players that show flashes but are just to inconsistant.

I think right now were living on a prayer that these 3 players take leaps and bounds, as far as there potential.
It's a reason why we keep getting push to the side when any potential trade for a super star comes up (we have a bunch of un proven players), and half the board is screaming dont trade so and so because of his potential...Well you have to trade a lot of potential in order to get back a sure thing, Thats a fact

Chandler, & Gallo have been very productive for us despite us having a bag of bricks for distributing the ball at PG and no other real players to attract the defense and open up their shots.

Your basing your judgment on how the media perceives the value of our youth.
ESPN and just about everyone else has been biased against our team for over a decade now.

I think once you see them for at least 20 games you will change your mind.

TMS wrote:i wouldnt even give up Landry Fields for Rudy Fernandez. most i offer is Bukkake's expiring.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

iSergio wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Yeah this is a little ridiculous. I know Rudy has some upside, but putting him in the same deal as AR is an absolute joke. AR is a lottery pick with star upside, Rudy is a late first round pick with starter upside.

No, he isn't. And that's the problem. Some of you are being ridiculous with Anthony Randolph. He's not going to be a Star. He'll be a good role player if he stays healthy and accepts a role. Other teams know this.

dude..the guy's barely had a chance to get regular playing time. it amazes me how you're so sure about what he is and what he will be. the guy said he's a lottery pick (true) with star upside (debatable).

what exactly are you basing your opinion on? from what i've seen in highlights and what i've seen statistically when the kid gets minutes he seems like he's got a ton of upside.

what are you looking at?

Panos wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:This is what i think of that trade

I hope that goalie got stabbed with a pen knife when he returned to his country.

I agree, although this was probably league soccer and not national teams.

Dude could not even think of a good way to throw a game. He made it too obvious. I wonder how much he got paid for that.

tj23 wrote:

TMS wrote:i wouldnt even give up Landry Fields for Rudy Fernandez. most i offer is Bukkake's expiring.

You think Fields is worth more than Buke??

yes, because Buke's not healthy & who knows at what level he'll be able to play at when he comes back... at this point he is nothing more than an expiring contract for our purposes... & i think Fields will be a nice player for us... definitely more versatile than Spanish Vanilla.