I think the cap space next year could yield a bevy of new talent--doesnt mean it has to be max player or star--not does the *BIG3* concept mean much--in NBA history really very little. I think out of the combo of AR Gallo an Chandler people will be very surprised at the combination of their production collectively. I really believe unless you are talking Shaq in prime Kobe etc.. that a team concept is the way to go.

You can see the obvious posturing in the media by th Nuggets. I still cannot believe or understand some knick fans that they dont understand once we get Carmelo--that is it--and the reason why Denver is posturing is because they want every frikin young asset we have---they dont want gallo(nor would i give him up)theyre going to want ar gallo and chandler--ALL OF THEM.

hoopshype has him at 16.8, but i DO believe down the road, with the right pieces, we may very well be again at the top of the payroll.

paying big name players a lot is not a problem. it's when you overpay guys who aren't worth it and aren't even that good, and you don't have the pieces when it matters.

there are other variables, but who has the top 5 payrolls in the nba...

the lakers, orlando, dallas, denver

any idea if a a deal you would be okay with?

PresIke wrote:i just don't know if we will sell the entire farm for melo.

any idea if a a deal you would be okay with?

I mean to have him here this year--Id give them Chandler GS 2s and our 2014 #1 +3mm in cash IF Carmelo accepts the SAME deal LBJ and Bosh took 6 years 100mm next year.

Not a F dime more to me ar and gallo are off the table in any discussion absolute deal breaker--even straight up. I will pass on carmelo for either of those two players.
Why becasue if we do nothing well go to FA and get even better--acquiring melo is just one avenue--if it s not going to work at our cost--then move on.

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Amare @ 20 and Carmelo @ 23 is a losing proposition. No team can pay any two guys like that unless they were able to move their payroll to 100mm$ and we would not be able to do that for years--way to late for it to mean anything. On top of which we have 0 idea what the new CBB will be--could be worse.

I think the cap space next year could yield a bevy of new talent--doesnt mean it has to be max player or star--not does the *BIG3* concept mean much--in NBA history really very little. I think out of the combo of AR Gallo an Chandler people will be very surprised at the combination of their production collectively. I really believe unless you are talking Shaq in prime Kobe etc.. that a team concept is the way to go.

You can see the obvious posturing in the media by th Nuggets. I still cannot believe or understand some knick fans that they dont understand once we get Carmelo--that is it--and the reason why Denver is posturing is because they want every frikin young asset we have---they dont want gallo(nor would i give him up)theyre going to want ar gallo and chandler--ALL OF THEM.

I think people are missing that point.. it is just not going to be GAllo or AR, it is going to be, back up the truck and give us all three young prospects....

Its funny reading the other boards like the Nets Kings etc.. the same thing applies--the fans who are really thinking about it dont want to clear the ship with prospects and pay melo 22mm. People understand that Melo and a few other players have NO chance at winning championships in this league--why because he could not do it with a stacked team already. Once you take that move--you are stuck with it and capped to heck. There are alwasy going to be a bunch of fans who just see the big name and thats it--cannot think outside the box at how we improve the team and just how much we ahev to give up

melo costs the following---future cap space for atleast 4 years it will cost us ATLEAST Chandler Gallo likely Fields the next #1 pick we can give(probably with no protection) and the rest of any good 2's I just dont think a team in our position can have 2 20mm $ players with no way to get ending contracts no picks you only have the MLE to improve. One major injury and your are done like Orlando was when they got T mac and Grant Hill for YEARS and YEARS.

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Amare @ 20 and Carmelo @ 23 is a losing proposition. No team can pay any two guys like that unless they were able to move their payroll to 100mm$ and we would not be able to do that for years--way to late for it to mean anything. On top of which we have 0 idea what the new CBB will be--could be worse.

I think the cap space next year could yield a bevy of new talent--doesnt mean it has to be max player or star--not does the *BIG3* concept mean much--in NBA history really very little. I think out of the combo of AR Gallo an Chandler people will be very surprised at the combination of their production collectively. I really believe unless you are talking Shaq in prime Kobe etc.. that a team concept is the way to go.

You can see the obvious posturing in the media by th Nuggets. I still cannot believe or understand some knick fans that they dont understand once we get Carmelo--that is it--and the reason why Denver is posturing is because they want every frikin young asset we have---they dont want gallo(nor would i give him up)theyre going to want ar gallo and chandler--ALL OF THEM.

I think people are missing that point.. it is just not going to be GAllo or AR, it is going to be, back up the truck and give us all three young prospects....

even if either Gallo or AR ever turns out to be as good as Melo, you're going to be looking at having to extend those guys to lucrative contracts themselves... so how does that change matters? you'd still have 2 guys taking up the bulk of the cap & having to deal with dolling out the rest to the support players... do you really think teams like the Oklahoma City Thunder are worried about how they'll be able to manage after Kevin Durant & Russell Westbrook end up getting contract extensions? & they're in a small market at that... this entire line of reasoning is ass backwards, & i don't say that to offend... it just doesn't make sense how people around here could possibly advocate trading away assets to clear cap space & yet not willing to trade away assets to acquire a living, breathing superstar player in his prime.

TMS--if Chandler Gallo and AR turn out as good as I think they are---moving up payroll is fine--its a natural progression and we can control it as we own their rights. If they feel that they want to move Chandler at this deadline for picks or assets if they feel he's not the right piece or wait and S+T or even extend--we will see. But this team has horses that need to play together--maybe we get Carmelo Anthony next year for free in terms of FA --if we can get him giving away NOTHING and for the same price as LBJ got--that is the best avenue--that is my first choice. That way we keep our horses and can enhance the team.

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Amare @ 20 and Carmelo @ 23 is a losing proposition. No team can pay any two guys like that unless they were able to move their payroll to 100mm$ and we would not be able to do that for years--way to late for it to mean anything. On top of which we have 0 idea what the new CBB will be--could be worse.

I think the cap space next year could yield a bevy of new talent--doesnt mean it has to be max player or star--not does the *BIG3* concept mean much--in NBA history really very little. I think out of the combo of AR Gallo an Chandler people will be very surprised at the combination of their production collectively. I really believe unless you are talking Shaq in prime Kobe etc.. that a team concept is the way to go.

You can see the obvious posturing in the media by th Nuggets. I still cannot believe or understand some knick fans that they dont understand once we get Carmelo--that is it--and the reason why Denver is posturing is because they want every frikin young asset we have---they dont want gallo(nor would i give him up)theyre going to want ar gallo and chandler--ALL OF THEM.

I think people are missing that point.. it is just not going to be GAllo or AR, it is going to be, back up the truck and give us all three young prospects....

even if either Gallo or AR ever turns out to be as good as Melo, you're going to be looking at having to extend those guys to lucrative contracts themselves... so how does that change matters? you'd still have 2 guys taking up the bulk of the cap & having to deal with dolling out the rest to the support players... do you really think teams like the Oklahoma City Thunder are worried about how they'll be able to manage after Kevin Durant & Russell Westbrook end up getting contract extensions? & they're in a small market at that... this entire line of reasoning is ass backwards, & i don't say that to offend... it just doesn't make sense how people around here could possibly advocate trading away assets to clear cap space & yet not willing to trade away assets to acquire a living, breathing superstar player in his prime.

that's not a good reason to trade them... the fact that they will be our talent makes it that much better.... And who knows maybe they give us a hometown discount like dirk does the mavs... what I do know for sure is guys like melo want every max penny they can get. In the end, anyone comming to NY, it is about the dollars, yea, I am sure they want to play here, but it is always about the dollars...

do you really think teams like the Oklahoma City Thunder are worried about how they'll be able to manage after Kevin Durant & Russell Westbrook end up getting contract extensions?

And neither are they worried about trying to trade them everytime some Big name player says he wants to leave his team..... As knick fans we have to get out of that line of thinking... At some point we are going to have to develop something of our own.. listen to GM's around the league.. steve kerr made a great point.. You want to get Good fA's when you can, but developing good young talent on cheap rookie deals is paramount to building a good team...

I am inclined to agree that homegrown talent is the best way to win. That said, I have reservations that Gallo will be as good as Dirk, or that Gallo and AR will be on par with Durant and Westbrook.

I wouldn't trade both for Melo, but I would trade one and Chandler. And I'd prefer to hold onto Gallo.

93BUICK wrote:I hope it blows over and it's not the big topic until next year when he's a free agent.

Thats what I agree with--lets play out the year. Maybe we can look @ the deadline--lets see where we are after 40 games at a minimum.