Allanfan20 wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:starting Turriaf @ C is not putting your best 5 on the court--he's a decent player--a good passer finisher shot blocker--but really what he is is an energy player from the bench--not a starting C in the nBA.

MDA started Fishlips for a long stretch of games last year... doesn't matter what you think, he's going to start the guys he feels he wants to roll with... i have a feeling Turiaf is going to fit that mold, at least to start the season off... i wouldn't be surprised to see AR work himself into a starting role but i doubt he'll be in the starting 5 to start the season.

PF - Felton
SG - Wilson
SF - Gallo
PF - Amare
C - Turiaf

IMO that's the starting 5 he's going to roll with, at least to kick off the season.

I just don't see why you and a lot of people feel this. Yes, Turiaf is a very likeable player, but what information do you have says that Turiaf will start? I mean, I don't mind it to be honest, but I don't see why we think MDA would do this. What about Turiaf will make MDA point to him to start and not AR?

If anything, I see AR being a EXACTLY the player MDA likes. Maybe he needs to pass better, but AR plays better defense, can score more, can fill the lane, can thrust himself into the passing lanes, and can block shots. Tufiaf doesn't have nearly as many tools as AR and AR may already be better!

With that said, I wouldn't mind it myself just to ease AR into being a starter, but I don't know if it's going to work that way, especially considering that Turiaf is coming off an injury, no?

the same information that anyone else has that AR will be starting games this year... he wasn't a regular starter in GS either... i think it will take time for him to gain MDA's trust... i think a guy like Turiaf will appeal to him more off the bat, because he will be doing all the dirty stuff that he used to get out of Fishlips, & we all know what a huge hardon he used to have for his style of play... this is not disputing the fact that AR is a better player than Turiaf, but MDA's tendencies since he's been here have shown he'll go w/the guys he trusts over the guys w/the most talent IMO.

Allanfan20 wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:starting Turriaf @ C is not putting your best 5 on the court--he's a decent player--a good passer finisher shot blocker--but really what he is is an energy player from the bench--not a starting C in the nBA.

MDA started Fishlips for a long stretch of games last year... doesn't matter what you think, he's going to start the guys he feels he wants to roll with... i have a feeling Turiaf is going to fit that mold, at least to start the season off... i wouldn't be surprised to see AR work himself into a starting role but i doubt he'll be in the starting 5 to start the season.

PF - Felton
SG - Wilson
SF - Gallo
PF - Amare
C - Turiaf

IMO that's the starting 5 he's going to roll with, at least to kick off the season.

I just don't see why you and a lot of people feel this. Yes, Turiaf is a very likeable player, but what information do you have says that Turiaf will start? I mean, I don't mind it to be honest, but I don't see why we think MDA would do this. What about Turiaf will make MDA point to him to start and not AR?

If anything, I see AR being a EXACTLY the player MDA likes. Maybe he needs to pass better, but AR plays better defense, can score more, can fill the lane, can thrust himself into the passing lanes, and can block shots. Tufiaf doesn't have nearly as many tools as AR and AR may already be better!

With that said, I wouldn't mind it myself just to ease AR into being a starter, but I don't know if it's going to work that way, especially considering that Turiaf is coming off an injury, no?

Don Nelson maybe a nut but he knows well enough that Turiaf is a 10-15 minutes energy player. He even said you wouldn't want him for more than that. He is recovering from heart condition and Nelson knew better than throw him out there for starter minutes. Knicks would be wise to take Nelson's advice.

Bring out AR early for Chandler, a few minutes later bring in Walker/Mason for Buke, move Chandler to the 3 as AR comes back in, and then at the end of quarters bring in Toney and Ronny and give Ray and Amare a little rest. Or we could play more Toney and Ray together. There's your 8-9 man rotation. If Buje wont be ready for the season, you can put Will at the 2 and play more Turiaf.

Vmart wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:starting Turriaf @ C is not putting your best 5 on the court--he's a decent player--a good passer finisher shot blocker--but really what he is is an energy player from the bench--not a starting C in the nBA.

MDA started Fishlips for a long stretch of games last year... doesn't matter what you think, he's going to start the guys he feels he wants to roll with... i have a feeling Turiaf is going to fit that mold, at least to start the season off... i wouldn't be surprised to see AR work himself into a starting role but i doubt he'll be in the starting 5 to start the season.

PF - Felton
SG - Wilson
SF - Gallo
PF - Amare
C - Turiaf

IMO that's the starting 5 he's going to roll with, at least to kick off the season.

I just don't see why you and a lot of people feel this. Yes, Turiaf is a very likeable player, but what information do you have says that Turiaf will start? I mean, I don't mind it to be honest, but I don't see why we think MDA would do this. What about Turiaf will make MDA point to him to start and not AR?

If anything, I see AR being a EXACTLY the player MDA likes. Maybe he needs to pass better, but AR plays better defense, can score more, can fill the lane, can thrust himself into the passing lanes, and can block shots. Tufiaf doesn't have nearly as many tools as AR and AR may already be better!

With that said, I wouldn't mind it myself just to ease AR into being a starter, but I don't know if it's going to work that way, especially considering that Turiaf is coming off an injury, no?

Don Nelson maybe a nut but he knows well enough that Turiaf is a 10-15 minutes energy player. He even said you wouldn't want him for more than that. He is recovering from heart condition and Nelson knew better than throw him out there for starter minutes. Knicks would be wise to take Nelson's advice.

fishmike wrote:

Marv wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Gallo at the 2 is like Nate at the 1. You can use him there for short spurts, but if you stick him there for too long, it's going to blow up, because he's not going to be able to cover his man consistently. What's the point in it anyway? Don't these beat writers even realize that Turiaf isn't at all a starter?

this team is being overhyped like nobody's business.

i love the knicks as much as anyone, but really.

we got:

-guys who weren't wanted by their teams

-guys who have potential but have yet to put it together

-injured guys

-guys that have been mediocre for 5 years who are suddenly going to be great

-guys who were allowed to shamelessly bomb away 3's who are now supposed to become all-around players

i'm all for a fresh start, but i fear guys are in for the biggest letdown since the larry brown year.

no way dude... we come back with the things we did well last year intact, and we fixed the things that were dreadful last two years.

We finally have a steady PG/floor general who (possibly most important) can really defend the PG position. Felton *could* explode and show more than he did in 5 year @ Cha but the Knicks will be greatly improved if he just does what he did there.

You finally have an anchor out there in the middle also in Amare. A guy who can really defend opposing players in the post, scores like an elite post player w/ 25ppg and at over 55%.

Those two guys will curb the erratic play. One is a veteran in the current coaches system. The other is coming from playing PG under Larry Brown for a couple years. Both playoff teams.

If Gallo can just keep stretching the floor and playing like he did end of last year along w/ Chandler filling out the stat sheet and giving you 15/6 playing good D and shooting 50% the Knicks will be a solid team. They should certainly be able to pad their win totals against the teams that are in transition or struggling.

When I say Knicks should win 45 games its not based on Mosgov being a monster or AR (didnt even mention him) or Gallo suddenly being all stars.

Knicks just need to do what they can do in this coach's system and defend every night.

JohnWallace44 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:I could see a lineup like that if we had someone like Vlad Radmonovic at center to make up for AR not being able to shoot from more than 15ft.

Mike will probably have both Amar'e and AR playing the high post just on opposite sides of the court. There are so many variations on his plays that it's possible to have a C that can't shoot from 3 out there. He did it with Shaq and they did it in PHX last yr with Lopez. This isn't a stiff system and Mike is very creative. Besides, AR could go out to the 3 pt line anyway even if he's not great, just remember Jared.
It took a while before he got a bit better at hitting 3's and he was often wide open since no one believed he could shoot anyway. What's the diff between AR and Jared in that sense? He's not a true Post player either, so playing from the 3pt line in and being on the move is going to be more of his game here. Just cuz you're out at the 3pt line doesn't mean you have to shoot it. You just need a defender to have to come out to you and that serves the purpose. If they don't you can still come in a bit and force the defender to have to move and still it creates the space and distracting the defender you were trying to create in the 1st place.

I just can't imagine a D'Antoni team running out for too many minutes with Turiaf, Randolph, Amare and Felton because none of them are proficient from deep.

What makes you say AR isn't a true post player?

He likes to play facing the basket, from what I have seen.

I think his range can go beyond 15' and it is something he is probably working on as we speak, but I don't think he will ever be a 3 pt shooter based on his the motion/release/trajectory of his shot, and opponents will not have to be worried if he is standing outside the 3pt line.

I have to believe that MDA would want another player with some distance on his shot playing, and you wonder if Chandler has been working on increasing his range after becoming more of a midrange shooter last year. Mason and Azubuike, if both are healthy, are more likely to be 2s on an MDA team than Chandler, I would think.

Knixkik wrote:

TheGame wrote:I think most agree, our best lineup is Felton, Chandler, Gallo, Amare, and Turiaf. That gives us solid 3 pts players, good defense at every position (assuming Amare commits to playing D), and a nice balance in inside scoring (Amare), outside scoring (Gallo), mid-range scoring (Gallo, Chandler, Felton), penetration (Felton), and pick and roll options. You bring AR off the bench to back up Gallo, Amare, and Turiaf and everyone should see plenty of minutes.

I assumed that most agreed having that lineup but AR at center instead of Turiaf would be our best lineup. If we have a difficult matchup up front thats when you start Turiaf or play him extended minutes. AR at 6'11 225 is a young Camby and hopefully he can start at center and is the answer at center for the next 15 years.

maybe AR develops into a C but right now he is way to thin to be the start there night in, night out. I would be in favor of having a rotating frontcourt between Amar'e/Gallo/AR... but really throwing Turiaf at Dwight Howard is probably better for AR's development

93BUICK wrote:Does no one other than Mr Earl envision Mosgov playing center?

Have to see him play in the NBA before we can put him in Starting lineup. I'll be honest I want to see how he does if he a beast on help defense and put up some point I'll go with him to start in certain matchups.