martin wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know if anyone caught this from a recent Hahn post, but Curry has a $5M trade kicker. Yes, $5M. Isiah at his negotiating best.

So, on top of the $11M salary he "earns" throw in an extra $5M that would count towards the exchanged salaries.

basically, if you want Melo back alone, Curry's $17 + whatever have to be around $21M. I think.

Does the trade kicker get automatically exercised or is it up to Curry to decide if he wants to invoke it? Don't know how this stuff works..

LOL are you asking me if the Knicks are ready to trade Curry, would Curry pass on $5M?

Ah, I forgot about this but I do remember hearing about it. Unbelieveable huh? LOL....Maybe we'd have to take on the contracts of Anthony Carter, Sheldon Williams plus cash ($3M?) to balance it out..Shouldn't make that big a deal, although Curry's trade kicker would change things a little bit, no question..Maybe that's part of the reasoning as to why the Knicks decided to let Jerome Jordan go play overseas to free up that roster spot..Maybe they've already envisioned a few scenarios were we'd have to take back an extra player or two (and then most likely waive) in order to make any deal work money-wise..We could take on JR Smith but he's still a talented player -- Den will want that much more if JR Smith were to be included in any Carmelo Anthony deal..

EDIT: I retract that comment -- no way Denver would ever give us $3M on top of Carmelo Anthony in order to satisfy some stupid Eddy Curry trade kicker. Hopefully Andrew's correct and it's more in the $2M range. We could then take back a couple of minor expiring contracts to balance out the money..

Seriously I'd take back Martin and Smith to get Melo. Amare + Melo means we will be the 3rd or 4th best team in the East. If Felton plays like Duhon did his first season we should be able to give Miami a run for their money.

scoshin wrote:

Moonangie wrote:If Melo wants the Knicks, he will not accept any trades and will just opt out after the season. He doesn't owe them anything. Why go to NY with a somewhat gutted roster unless it was absolutely essential. Melo is still completely in the driver's seat. **BLEEP** the Kroenke's. Man's gotta do his thang.

Melo may want the Knicks but it's clear that he also REALLY WANTS HIS EXTENSION. There's really no other reason for him to be demanding a trade now, rather than just playing out the season like a professional, which is what even LeQueen did.

1. Melo wants to go to the NY Knicks.
2. Melo also wants the financial security of an extension.

Knicks fans hope his priority is #1 and scares off other suitors so as to drive down his trade value or just sign him outright in 2011. But if he gets traded to a decent up-and-coming team, then you never know. He may be off the market by the deadline.

Kelly T. was just saying on Knicks Night Live that Denver is still in the driver's seat and doesn't need to rush into anything right now. Not sure I agree with that -- not only is there the new CBA and possible lockout for Carmelo to think about, there's also the fact that he probably doesn't look too good in the Denver fans' eyes right now..I know how I'd feel if I were a Nuggets fan right about now -- I wouldn't want too much to do with this guy anymore...Why root for a player that wants out? I'd want my team to deal him..Bringing Melo back even for the start of the season is a potentially volatile situation for Denver management that could blow up in their face. The fans might look to turn on Melo now in a hurry. I could definitely see that and that wouldn't be good for anyone involved (Carmelo, Den mgnt. & the Den fans)..I kinda get the feeling now that it's almost in everyone's best interest for Denver to get something done ASAP.

Andrew wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know if anyone caught this from a recent Hahn post, but Curry has a $5M trade kicker. Yes, $5M. Isiah at his negotiating best.

So, on top of the $11M salary he "earns" throw in an extra $5M that would count towards the exchanged salaries.

basically, if you want Melo back alone, Curry's $17 + whatever have to be around $21M. I think.

I think I remember the trade kicker incorrectly reported as $5M, and then later corrected as being a MAX of 20% of the remaining $ of the contract according to the NBA CBA. That would put the kicker at ~2.2M.

That sounds about right..and there going to want gallo and chandler

AnubisADL wrote:Come on baby. Getting Melo before the star of the season would be AWESOME.

Seriously I'd take back Martin and Smith to get Melo. Amare + Melo means we will be the 3rd or 4th best team in the East. If Felton plays like Duhon did his first season we should be able to give Miami a run for their money.

You are talking nonsense, and you would have to truly gut this team if you would take those 2 with Melo.

With Anthony's extension, and the Martin and Smith, you are talking about $40+M in salaries. If you trade Gallo, AR, Azubuike, Chandler, Douglas, Curry, and Turiaf, you are talking about approximately $27M. We would have trouble just taking on Melo and Martin, and remember, Denver is well over the cap- $80+M, I think, so that is another dynamic. We are pretty close to the cap at this point, so we have limited flexibility.

If Denver wants to get rid of Martin and Smith, along with Melo, a third team would have to be bought into the mix.

Please tell us how you would work out the above trade if ONLY Denver and the Knicks are involved, and then discuss how you would then have to wait 2 more years to get a Paul or a Williams to complete your big three. I would like to read about your "plan."

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know if anyone caught this from a recent Hahn post, but Curry has a $5M trade kicker. Yes, $5M. Isiah at his negotiating best.

So, on top of the $11M salary he "earns" throw in an extra $5M that would count towards the exchanged salaries.

basically, if you want Melo back alone, Curry's $17 + whatever have to be around $21M. I think.

Didn't know that. Isiah, the gift that keeps on giving.

He is like herpes.

1) Hype Knicks as the most likely destination to boost media interest in the story
2) Start mentioning a different most likely team every couple of days to maintain interest
3) Completely dismiss Knick chances, and stop mentioning them when writing about teams he may be traded to

Whatever, but what does annoy me is this continued trumpetting of the Nets- ever since they got a new owner the media has been fawning over a team that had one of the worst records in NBA history- all they have is a mediocre PG who had one good season and they make out he's a perrenial all star! They have one fairly good centre, but he didn't win them any games last year- if David Lee gets tarnished because we didn't win more than 30 games despite his stats, tehn it's only fair Lopez gets the same stigma until his team wins. Troy Murphy is a good starter now?! No good player wanted to sign with them this offseason. They have an alienating coach who managed to p*** off the Mav players, so imagine how badly a losing team will take to him. And what can they give up without leaving them with nothing if they got Carmelo?!

I get so fed up with the media making out the Nets are in such a great position while c***ing on us at every opportunity.

I think we have more to offer the Nuggets than most teams, bar the Rockets or Clippers, but I'm happy to keep what we have and see how it works out.

smackeddog wrote:Ha, this story is going exactly as some people predicted it:

1) Hype Knicks as the most likely destination to boost media interest in the story
2) Start mentioning a different most likely team every couple of days to maintain interest
3) Completely dismiss Knick chances, and stop mentioning them when writing about teams he may be traded to

Whatever, but what does annoy me is this continued trumpetting of the Nets- ever since they got a new owner the media has been fawning over a team that had one of the worst records in NBA history- all they have is a mediocre PG who had one good season and they make out he's a perrenial all star! They have one fairly good centre, but he didn't win them any games last year- if David Lee gets tarnished because we didn't win more than 30 games despite his stats, tehn it's only fair Lopez gets the same stigma until his team wins. Troy Murphy is a good starter now?! No good player wanted to sign with them this offseason. They have an alienating coach who managed to p*** off the Mav players, so imagine how badly a losing team will take to him. And what can they give up without leaving them with nothing if they got Carmelo?!

I get so fed up with the media making out the Nets are in such a great position while c***ing on us at every opportunity.

I think we have more to offer the Nuggets than most teams, bar the Rockets or Clippers, but I'm happy to keep what we have and see how it works out.

Good call on the Nets...F the Nets man...All of the games against the Nets are circled on my calander already..I'm gonna take special pride in beating them any chance we have..You wanna put up paintings on the side of a building right down the street from the Garden, Prochorov? No problem buddy..You wanna leak to the media that our presentation to Lebron was subpar even though you had no idea what was said? NP buddy..I got you... Bottom line is this organization has severely disrespected the Knicks and deserves an ass-beating everytime we play them now..And you're right, for all the talk, they really haven't gotten that much better..

tkf wrote:I understand Kroenke's postion here. As an owner of several sports franchises and big corporations he is not going to get bullied by a bunch of clown middlemen and agents. These owners have to protect their interest, they draft players, pay them well, try to surround them with good talent at a huge expense and then all of a sudden guys want to jump up and leave to be close to home, near their families, to play with their homies.. I mean when does it end.... On the other hand, I do think the players at some point should have the right to chose where they want to play , and that is when they are a Free agent.. for melo, it is next year.. play out this year melo and you can go where ever you want bro... Trying to bully teams is becomming a trend I am not sure I like..

It isnt really bullying. I think Melo making it known to the front office that he plans on leaving helps them try to get value for him. He could play the season and bounce at the end of the season and leave Denver with NOTHING. Regardless he can do whatever he wants in less than 10 months.

Melo giving them a heads up lets both parties try to get what they want.

nixluva wrote:I just can't be worried about what this guy does. We have a young team and a comfortable cap structure. We watched this guy not win a title or even get to the finals with some really talented teams. Heck his supporting cast has been better than Lebrons. Even without Melo the Nuggets are still a good team. SO why do we gut our team just to bring in this guy? I'm not saying that I don't like his talent, but he may be a bit overrated.

I'm not gonna go as far as to bash Melo for not getting to the Finals with his teams, as if it was his fault somehow, that he was never a good enough player or a good enough leader. I don't believe that at all...In recent memory, almost every team out there that won it all had at least two bonafide stars -- outside of a couple of solid all-around Detroit teams and maybe the Rocket team that beat us in '94, that's been the case..What did Scottie Pippen ever win w/o Jordan? What did Jordan ever win w/o Pippen for that matter? What did LeBron ever accomplish in Cleveland by himself? What did Kobe ever win without Shaq first and then w/o Pau Gasol?? Speaking of Shaq, what did he ever win without star power playing right beside him (Kobe, Wade)?? he did manage to get to a Finals in Orlando when he was at the top of his game btw, but his team wasn't good enough to get it done..Does that mean Shaq wasn't a great player back then with the Magic?? Of course not. he was a beast back then..Point is Carmelo should not be de-valued because he never won the big one or got to the Finals..The bottom line is Melo's TEAMS were never good enough to beat the top teams in the West, always a stacked conference year after year, much like our own Patrick Ewing..Was Ewing a sub-par player or "overrated" because he never won the big one?? I don't think so? The dude is one of the 50 greatest of all time..Karl Malone and John Stockton? Same boat... To me, Carmelo Anthony is a very good component for any team to have. Melo by himself will do his thing and get you about 50 wins but Melo with Amar'e & Randolph and Ray Felton -- that's a different ball game..Now you're talking an upgrade of talent over anything he's had to play with before, much like Lebron in Miami right now...Same deal..Melo shouldn't be judged solely on his team's lack of playoff success -- it takes more than any one player to excel in the playoffs, to get to the Finals and then to win it all. Lebron James never won jack diddly in the NBA, yet now, teamed up with Wade & Bosh, he's talking about winning multiple championships..I hate to admit it but the bastard's probably right. Until some team comes along with a potent enough roster to challenge them that is..Hopefully that team is the Knicks at some point.