You do realize that an open jumper gives you 2pts too right? As for dunks and allyes I'd love to see them, but not at the expense of an overall talent. And once again, gettin a Miles would mean cuttin down KVH and Penny's mintues, both of whom have been playin great ball (at their speciic capacities). Also at the 4 and 5 there are simply no options. This team has chemistry right now, let them play please unless we are gettin a Brand.

Posted by simrud:

You do realize that an open jumper gives you 2pts too right? As for dunks and allyes I'd love to see them, but not at the expense of an overall talent. And once again, gettin a Miles would mean cuttin down KVH and Penny's mintues, both of whom have been playin great ball (at their speciic capacities). Also at the 4 and 5 there are simply no options. This team has chemistry right now, let them play please unless we are gettin a Brand.

you just don't get it dawg, you can miss a jumper but you can hardly miss a lay-up or a dunk shot. open jumpers for guys like thomas, otheala, anderson, even doleac can result in a miss. as fast as marb goes, he wants somebody to be able to run with him and be able to catch the pass and lay it in. that is the biggest reason the knicks got him. frank, ward, even eisly were gettin them open jumpers through some passing but not easy baskets. you actually think or expect me to believe that thomas, othella, doleac, even houston, van horn, can actually run with this guy. with these guys, he's just able to pass to the open shooter (which already was happening with frank), with an athletic guy he can actually display what he was brought here to do.
i hope you get it now because i'm getting to a point where i'm at a loss for words

let

You seem to come on to this forum like a fountain of knowledge and and experience. As some who has follwed the knicks and basketball from Harry Galatin to Deke in the hole and Dick McGuire to SM at the point I can can reasonably said your comments and lack of respect for the views of others shows either your youth, inexperience, rigidity or just plain lack of knowledge. Every championship team has been a blend fromthe sheer athleticism of Bill Russell combined with the great hands and quickness of Cousy with the sharpshooting skills of Sharman(and little else) to the knick of Reed muscle and heart, to the shot of Bradley (who lacked great athleticism and couldn't jump 6 inches), the great court vision and hands and head of Frazier who lacked speed every great team was a blend.

Every player need not be an olympic sprinter or high jumper. Shandon Anderson may be a better athlete than KVH but no one with knowledge would take Shandon to start over KVH. Johnny Green could pick pennies off the top of the backboard but his 15 foot jumper might not find the same backboard.

BTW learn the English language.

Jeez man, what team has won the NBA title in the last 20-25 years by running and gunning. And no, don't say the Lakers. They might've played up tempo, but they didnt exactly have people dunking the basketball left and right.

I can understand your desire for a "dunker" but there's so much more to the game than dunking and above the rim.

And just because they bobbled a few passes a couple games ago doesn't mean guys like Doleac/KVH/Harrington suck. In fact, they are playing their best basketball of the season with Marbury! Why? Because Marbury's penetration lets them get to open spots to take high percentage shots. In fact I'd argue Doleac is a better fit with Marbury than even D Miles, because Doleac can move up and down the court, run a pick and roll and get to open spots to hit shots. Thomas is the same way with hitting the open spots. He's getting better looks than he has all year. Miles can't hit an open shot for his life, and barely would get enough opportunities at the rim. He might grab an allyoop or too, but he's got a lot more developing to do to make a better contribution than our vets.

Posted by VDesai:

Jeez man, what team has won the NBA title in the last 20-25 years by running and gunning. And no, don't say the Lakers. They might've played up tempo, but they didnt exactly have people dunking the basketball left and right.

I can understand your desire for a "dunker" but there's so much more to the game than dunking and above the rim.

And just because they bobbled a few passes a couple games ago doesn't mean guys like Doleac/KVH/Harrington suck. In fact, they are playing their best basketball of the season with Marbury! Why? Because Marbury's penetration lets them get to open spots to take high percentage shots. In fact I'd argue Doleac is a better fit with Marbury than even D Miles, because Doleac can move up and down the court, run a pick and roll and get to open spots to hit shots. Thomas is the same way with hitting the open spots. He's getting better looks than he has all year. Miles can't hit an open shot for his life, and barely would get enough opportunities at the rim. He might grab an allyoop or too, but he's got a lot more developing to do to make a better contribution than our vets.

i never said that the knicks needed just a dunker. they need to upgrade the pf position. i don't think that thomas can cut it with marbury. he's is slow and marbury is very quick. i always remember to say "i hope" when i'm discussing a trade, not, i know it's can or cannot happen. if the knicks can get a guy like ruben patterson, i think it would be a great plus for our team. i "hope" the knicks are able to get him by giving up thomas and a minor piece. and if you read some more of my posts carefully, i have knocked thomas' whole game, not just him not being able to catch passes, which he's proven plenty o times.
a guy like darius, a hell no, the knicks do not need a guy like darius, they need a guy like rubben. i never liked miles and have posted against him in the past.
somebody has to compliment steph's game a little better than just putting up open 18 footers which you should know are never better that getting a lay-up or a dunk.

Posted by TheSage:

let

You seem to come on to this forum like a fountain of knowledge and and experience. As some who has follwed the knicks and basketball from Harry Galatin to Deke in the hole and Dick McGuire to SM at the point I can can reasonably said your comments and lack of respect for the views of others shows either your youth, inexperience, rigidity or just plain lack of knowledge. Every championship team has been a blend fromthe sheer athleticism of Bill Russell combined with the great hands and quickness of Cousy with the sharpshooting skills of Sharman(and little else) to the knick of Reed muscle and heart, to the shot of Bradley (who lacked great athleticism and couldn't jump 6 inches), the great court vision and hands and head of Frazier who lacked speed every great team was a blend.

Every player need not be an olympic sprinter or high jumper. Shandon Anderson may be a better athlete than KVH but no one with knowledge would take Shandon to start over KVH. Johnny Green could pick pennies off the top of the backboard but his 15 foot jumper might not find the same backboard.

BTW learn the English language.

agreed - shannon anderson can dissapear for all I care. I'm originally from miami so i follow the heat and the same thing happened with eddie house, and whats his name "baby jordan" the guy who won the slam dunk contest one year--see I can't even remember his name. look at oakley-he can't get off the ground and he IS the knicks.

Posted by simrud:

Aight man, I'll write off your mistakes to being a relatively new fan, but Ruben Patterson is not a PF, he is a defensive sepcialist on the wing who has very big issues with temper. He is not any better offesnively then Anderson. Just a little better on D. Hope you don't take it persnonally again, but how do you hope to learn anything new if you go nuts at every criticism?

i don't think you get what i'm saying dawg. i said a guy like a ruben patterson not exactly ruben. i hope you do know that he's 6 5' so there no possible way he could play the power forward. the guy is a offensive rebounder, a put back guy, a hard nosed defender, a knowing his role guy. that's the type of guy the knicks need over thomas. i hope you realize that there are guys like lamar odom, tony kukoc, geramaine o'neil, shariff, mobile guys which thomas isn't in the east playing the pf position. how the hell do you think thomas pick up those fouls, it's hard for him to guard them. if the get a guy like malik rose, (who really knows his role) a scott pollard, at that position, the knicks will have a hard nosed guy that does his job and doesn't pick-up silly offensive fouls and takes 13 shots per game. him taking that many shots disrupts the knicks offensive flow, i hope you get me now.

you see, the problem is that you feel like such a smart ass that you don't really know what i'm talking about. you think you are right when in essence you don't have clue. i accept that i might be wrong or right, what the hell do you think this forum is for to discuss, correct me but don't show me up. cause you do not know more or less knicks basketball than me.

Posted by letitbeheard:

if the get a guy like malik rose, (who really knows his role) a scott pollard, at that position, the knicks will have a hard nosed guy that does his job and doesn't pick-up silly offensive fouls and takes 13 shots per game. him taking that many shots disrupts the knicks offensive flow, i hope you get me now.

I see Thomas as part of the Knicks' offensive flow. Pick and roll, with Thomas nailing the 15 footer. Or Marb going to the basket and dishing to a stopping and popping Thomas. Or KVH/Hou spreading the D so that Thomas can get to the open spot and hit the jumper.

Thomas does have his knucklehead plays, but I don't see him has an offensive flow-breaker, ala James in the Seattle game the other night.

rose is one of the best deffensive players on the deffending world champion. he gives up his offensive abitlites for the better of the team. i remember that he was averaging 15 pts pg at the beggining of the season when duncan was out. he's knows his role un-like kurt so i'll take him any day over him. if you realize that scott was also a big part of the devision winning kings. what have the knicks done since a kurt has been in the starting line-up. lost lost lost.(majority of the games) 2 straight seasons not to mention, had been loosing this year. he disrupts offensive flow, open your eyes and then watch the game. look back at the blazer game where he started out hot and the knicks built up a 19 point lead. he's started missing. and nobody got into the flow after-wards. the wind up loosing the god damn game. and i hope you do remember the pacers game. open your eyes and know exactly whats going on in each pocession and what leads after that pocession. awwwwight

Posted by martin:

Posted by martin:

Posted by letitbeheard:

if the get a guy like malik rose, (who really knows his role) a scott pollard, at that position, the knicks will have a hard nosed guy that does his job and doesn't pick-up silly offensive fouls and takes 13 shots per game. him taking that many shots disrupts the knicks offensive flow, i hope you get me now.

I see Thomas as part of the Knicks' offensive flow. Pick and roll, with Thomas nailing the 15 footer. Or Marb going to the basket and dishing to a stopping and popping Thomas. Or KVH/Hou spreading the D so that Thomas can get to the open spot and hit the jumper.

Thomas does have his knucklehead plays, but I don't see him has an offensive flow-breaker, ala James in the Seattle game the other night.

Doleac plays the same role.

what will the knicks do if he starts missing. if he doesn't make those shots on a consistent basis during a game.
alright alright. watch the knicks game and watch each and every pocession. watch exactly how thomas inpacts the game. i'm not saying the knicks will loose but i hope you do realize that there is an offesive and deffensive flow to a game. the knicks have some of the best offensive players in the eastern conferse. i just don't want to see thomas miss 7 of twelve shots like he did the next game and houston going cold because of that. because thomas is not going to lift the team offensively when they really need it in the fourth qurter, in a game when he's hot at the begginnig and then leads to guys like allan, kvh cold in the end. allan a kvh are a good example of mommentum players. they like it when it goesin their favor but when one or two plays go wrong the like to do their disappearing act. something they have been knocked for a majority of their careers

Posted by martin:

Posted by letitbeheard:

rose is one of the best deffensive players on the deffending world champion. he gives up his offensive abitlites for the better of the team. i remember that he was averaging 15 pts pg at the beggining of the season when duncan was out. he's knows his role un-like kurt so i'll take him any day over him. if you realize that scott was also a big part of the devision winning kings. what have the knicks done since a kurt has been in the starting line-up. lost lost lost.(majority of the games) 2 straight seasons not to mention, had been loosing this year. he disrupts offensive flow, open your eyes and then watch the game. look back at the blazer game where he started out hot and the knicks built up a 19 point lead. he's started missing. and nobody got into the flow after-wards. the wind up loosing the god damn game. and i hope you do remember the pacers game.

Thomas average 11 shots a game on 45% shooting. That's too much?

I like to watch and take Thomas' game over a season or 2. Not a few games here and there.

11 shots too many from a guy like him. he is role player and i really like him when he makes those intangible plays, but then gives them right back with those 3 second vilations, silly offensive fouls. that play at the end of the bucks game should prove how bad of a basketball sense he has. he tried to get the ball when tim thomas knocked it out and it was going out of bounds and the knicks wind up loosing that critical pocission. what if the bucks had scored, wouldn't that have been a bad lose. i acknowledge that he had a rare deffensive and offensive good game that nigh. have you ever seen him step up at the end of the game and make a big play. oh yeah, that might be 2-3 games also in the past 2 or three years. the knicks lack the brain cardinals, the eduardo najera's, the malik roses. some people seem to think that thomas is them.
not even close