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8/17/2010  10:29 AM
I think Curry, cap relief, Chandler, and a 2014 1st rounder is enough. If Carmelo wants to play for the Knicks, they can just wait the year out and Denver can have a bad year with a malcontent best player. Sure things might change, but if I'm Denver I move on.

But the question is, if push came to shove, would we rather lose Randloph or Gallo? I don't know. Outside shooting and potential vs shot blocking and potential.

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8/17/2010  10:37 AM
If you are going to sign Melo next year you are going to lose Chandler and Curry anyways. Just as Cavs lost Lebron the Nuggs will lose Melo. Cavs managed to get some first rounders out of the LeBron thing by making it a sign and trade. Knicks probably do the same for Nuggets for Melo. So you will still lose Chandler, Curry and some first rounders if you wait for Melo in FA. I think the trade to be made is going to be Curry, Chandler, Douglas and two second rounders.
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8/17/2010  10:41 AM
Vmart wrote:If you are going to sign Melo next year you are going to lose Chandler and Curry anyways. Just as Cavs lost Lebron the Nuggs will lose Melo. Cavs managed to get some first rounders out of the LeBron thing by making it a sign and trade. Knicks probably do the same for Nuggets for Melo. So you will still lose Chandler, Curry and some first rounders if you wait for Melo in FA. I think the trade to be made is going to be Curry, Chandler, Douglas and two second rounders.
I agree.....except that it won't be Douglas. Denver doesn't need a young PG. They have Ty Lawson. It will be for a SG - either Walker or Azubuike.
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8/17/2010  10:42 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:This is CP3 all over again. I'm not doubting that Melo wants out of Denver...but I wouldnt be surprised if this is to make Denver offer him a MAX contract.

But if any of this is true....any trade involving the Knicks and Melo will start with D.Gallnari. If you think other wise than you're delusional.

I don't know man. They may see Gallo as a injury risk with his back issues.

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8/17/2010  10:42 AM
toodarkmark wrote:I think Curry, cap relief, Chandler, and a 2014 1st rounder is enough. If Carmelo wants to play for the Knicks, they can just wait the year out and Denver can have a bad year with a malcontent best player. Sure things might change, but if I'm Denver I move on.

But the question is, if push came to shove, would we rather lose Randloph or Gallo? I don't know. Outside shooting and potential vs shot blocking and potential.


Question. Why would the Nuggs trade Carmelo for cap relief? If they do nothing he comes off the books.
So basically, you're saying we'll get Carmelo for Chander and a 2014 1st rounder?
Step away from the Kool-Aid, my friend.

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8/17/2010  10:44 AM
Markji wrote:
Vmart wrote:If you are going to sign Melo next year you are going to lose Chandler and Curry anyways. Just as Cavs lost Lebron the Nuggs will lose Melo. Cavs managed to get some first rounders out of the LeBron thing by making it a sign and trade. Knicks probably do the same for Nuggets for Melo. So you will still lose Chandler, Curry and some first rounders if you wait for Melo in FA. I think the trade to be made is going to be Curry, Chandler, Douglas and two second rounders.
I agree.....except that it won't be Douglas. Denver doesn't need a young PG. They have Ty Lawson. It will be for a SG - either Walker or Azubuike.

I think that Douglas makes sense because once you lose Melo the team is going to go in rebuild mode and they probably will deal off Billups for some value.

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8/17/2010  10:48 AM
Knixkik wrote:They would probably want Curry, Gallo, and Randolph, but we will give them Curry, either one of those guys and Chandler, which is very fair. I would still rather give Randolph and start Gallo at the SG.

You guys are chickens for goodness sakes--I will give them sht!!!! and wait and get him for free. WTF would I give up any of our young stars--so I can deplete the roster???? Lets see what we have first and be patient--I think we will be very good as is--if we start giving away this guy and that guy we could trade ourselves into a mediocre team when there was no need.

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8/17/2010  10:49 AM
Nuggets now exploring sign and trade scenarios for Melo... this is going to get pretty interesting.

Kiszla: Nuggets don't want to get LeBron'd by Carmelo Anthony
By Mark Kiszla
The Denver Post
Posted: 08/17/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT

While deciding where he wants to spend the rest of his basketball life, Carmelo Anthony will do what's right by his family.

But believe this: Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke will do what is best for his hefty investment in an NBA franchise, even if that means trading Melo.

There is no way Denver can afford to lose the face of its franchise for nothing as a free agent.

The Nuggets are now considering a strategy to part ways with their 26-year-old star forward, according to a league source.

After quietly gauging trade interest in Anthony for weeks, the team's consternation has only risen as he has made no move to accept a $65 million offer for a three-year contract extension that was formally presented more than a month ago.

The Nuggets don't want to get LeBron'd.

LeBron James toyed with anxious minds in Cleveland before ripping out the hearts of Cavaliers fans by announcing a departure from his home state on live television. As was first reported by The Denver Post in June, the Nuggets are prepared to trade Anthony rather than watch him opt out of his contract next summer.

With a resume that includes an NCAA championship won at Syracuse and an Olympic gold medal that helped restore international luster for American basketball, Anthony has the skills to make the dream of the first NBA title in Denver a reality. But the team and its best player seem to have drifted slowly apart.

So what would be the trade market for Anthony?

His 28-point career scoring average through seven professional seasons should attract keen interest in Anthony from a franchise looking for a star to sell tickets in the regular season or hit a big shot at the buzzer during the playoffs. Anthony's contract situation figures to give him leverage in trade negotiations, because any team looking to add the 6-foot-8 forward would want to be assured of keeping his services long term.

Post sports columnist Mark Kiszla fields your feedback. Look for it in Kickin' It With Kiz on Sundays.
players such as Allen Iverson and Chauncey Billups, Denver has established a comfort level when it comes to making blockbuster trades.

The team showed sincere interest in retaining Melo, as Nuggets vice president of basketball operations Mark Warkentien tried to sell the idea that Melo could become the basketball version of John Elway and be a sports icon in the Rocky Mountains.

Warkentien, however, was part of a front-office purge that also cost executive Rex Chapman his job.

The time has come for the Nuggets to give Anthony a deadline to sign the extension.

"I could wake up tomorrow and they could snatch it off the table. I don't know. I don't know what their mind-set is," Anthony said recently, during a break from his annual youth basketball camp.

The first duty of the Nuggets' next general manager could be the high-risk, high-reward task of trading Anthony. While former Phoenix Suns executive David Griffin is among the candidates for the job, a familiar face to longtime Denver sports fans expressed interest in joining the new Denver management team.

Lafayette "Fat" Lever, a point guard who averaged nearly a triple-double in points, rebounds and assists during the 1988-89 season, has worked with the Sacramento Kings as director of player development.

"The body might not be what it once was, but the mind has definitely gotten stronger," said Lever, who celebrates his 50th birthday this week.

"I'm not qualified to be the general manager of the Denver Nuggets or any other NBA franchise at this point in time. But the love of building a basketball team is in my blood, and I definitely have a lot to offer as a member of the front office."

"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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8/17/2010  11:13 AM
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Knixkik wrote:They would probably want Curry, Gallo, and Randolph, but we will give them Curry, either one of those guys and Chandler, which is very fair. I would still rather give Randolph and start Gallo at the SG.

You guys are chickens for goodness sakes--I will give them sht!!!! and wait and get him for free. WTF would I give up any of our young stars--so I can deplete the roster???? Lets see what we have first and be patient--I think we will be very good as is--if we start giving away this guy and that guy we could trade ourselves into a mediocre team when there was no need.

If a deal is available I think the Knicks have to pull the trigger. Like I said you are not going to get Anthony for free any deal whether if it is trade of FA signing will result in players lost. Would rather have this deal done sooner rather than later and get the team moving forwards sooner. Don't want to lose these young player that we have but need to get more proven players in. If Denver is going to lose Melo for nothing then the Knicks are in the drivers seat and certain player will be deemed untouchable by the Knicks. I personally think that AR, Gallo, Amare, Felton are going to be untouchable. The rest of the Knicks team will all be available in the possible trade scenario which is ok with me.

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8/17/2010  11:31 AM
If he wants the big three year money, he's not going to be able to demand NY. Denver will want the best deal possible from anywhere in the league. As i stated in my thread, I think the Knicks were too quick to use the remaining cap space in the Lee and sign and trade and should have been more patient. Chandler or Gallo puls the $$$/trade exemption might have been able to land Melo or CP. Right now their options are limited by who they can actually trade (the new guys either can't be packaged together or traded until December), who they want to trade, and if Denver has any interest in what they have at all. I hope everything works out as I've wanted Melo in the Orange and Blue since he won the championship at 'Cuse (always liked him more than LeBron), but I'd rather the team sign him as a free agent next summer rather than potentially lose Danilo.
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8/17/2010  11:36 AM
I think WATCHING Melo play in general has distracted me from a lot of things. When he's on it's pretty fun to watch him burying jumpers with that quick release and do his thing when he posts up.

BUT

I'd feel more comfortable letting the current team play out a season to see if we really need him. What happens if Gallo really blows up. Him and Gallo are redundant I don't care what anyone says about playing Melo at the 2. Dude can NOT guard most guys who play the 2 in this league.

The best skill Melo has is scoring but he's not very efficient. Other than that..what is he elite at?

Is Melo better than:

KG in his prime?
Chris Webber in his prime?
Rasheed Wallace in his prime?

All those guys could score, pass, rebound and defend.

KG brought everything that KG brings.
Webber was a great passer (crunchtime issues aside) and obviously a nasty scorer/rebounder
Sheed could defend post players and shoot the 3.

Melo is a pretty nasty one on one scorer. He doesn't shoot the 3 well. He doesn't really create for other so well. He doesn't rebound well.

Has the standard for a max level player just dropped to Rashard Lewis, Joe Johnson level now?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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8/17/2010  11:38 AM
Panos wrote:
toodarkmark wrote:I think Curry, cap relief, Chandler, and a 2014 1st rounder is enough. If Carmelo wants to play for the Knicks, they can just wait the year out and Denver can have a bad year with a malcontent best player. Sure things might change, but if I'm Denver I move on.

But the question is, if push came to shove, would we rather lose Randloph or Gallo? I don't know. Outside shooting and potential vs shot blocking and potential.


Question. Why would the Nuggs trade Carmelo for cap relief? If they do nothing he comes off the books.
So basically, you're saying we'll get Carmelo for Chander and a 2014 1st rounder?
Step away from the Kool-Aid, my friend.

They do it to maintain cap relief and get young talent back. If you trade him to another team without an expiring then they are screwed.

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8/17/2010  11:46 AM
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Panos wrote:
toodarkmark wrote:I think Curry, cap relief, Chandler, and a 2014 1st rounder is enough. If Carmelo wants to play for the Knicks, they can just wait the year out and Denver can have a bad year with a malcontent best player. Sure things might change, but if I'm Denver I move on.

But the question is, if push came to shove, would we rather lose Randloph or Gallo? I don't know. Outside shooting and potential vs shot blocking and potential.


Question. Why would the Nuggs trade Carmelo for cap relief? If they do nothing he comes off the books.
So basically, you're saying we'll get Carmelo for Chander and a 2014 1st rounder?
Step away from the Kool-Aid, my friend.

They do it to maintain cap relief and get young talent back. If you trade him to another team without an expiring then they are screwed.

I don't think it's Kool Aid to understand that if Carmelo wants to play for the Knicks, is headed for a divorce with the Nuggets, that the Knicks can offer an unfair deal, but still a deal that works. I guess they can wait to see if he accepts another team, but I think Carmelo wants to be the toast of NY.

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8/17/2010  11:51 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/08/17/2010-08-17_report_carmelo_likely_to_leave_nuggets.html

Carmelo Anthony will likely leave the Nuggets - perhaps before next season - and the Knicks are a possible, if not likely, destination.

According to an ESPN report, Anthony is mulling two options: to sign the three-year, $65 million extension offer from the Nuggets and convince the team to trade him. Or, he could force a trade by refusing to sign, thereby risking losing money because the CBA expires after next season.

Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke is aware of Anthony's desire and the team is planning its separation strategy, according to the Denver Post. The Nuggets would rather trade Anthony than lose him next summer as a free agent - a scenario that left the Cavaliers with nothing following LeBron James' departure.

That could mean Anthony is traded before the 2010-11 season, although the Nuggets currently don't have a general manager. Executives Mark Warkentien and Rex Chapman were both fired this month, leaving behind a vacancy that experienced GMs are reportedly shunning because of Denver's evasive ownership.

As a Brooklyn native and an NCAA champion at Syracuse, Anthony is keen on joining Amar'e Stoudemire in New York. He recently wed former MTV VJ La La Vasquez in Manhattan, where Hornets guard Chris Paul and Stoudemire reportedly talked about the idea of forming their own Big-3 with the Knicks.

Anthony spent a lot of time in New York this summer, including last week at Michael Jordan's basketball camp at Rucker's Park and in Radio City Music Hall for the World Basketball Festival.

His wife, Vasquez, is also from Brooklyn.

As reported by the Daily News, Isiah Thomas has convinced Knicks owner James Dolan he can deliver Anthony to the Knicks, which would clear the way for Thomas to take over the club again as president or general manager.

But if the Nuggets are trading Anthony, the Knicks might not have the assets to acquire the Olympic champion. With Stoudemire as the only player deemed untradeable, the Knicks can package only Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph with other unproven talent.

Nets minority owner Jay-Z has close ties with Anthony and is also committed to signing him, the News learned. It's something he failed to do with another basketball buddy, LeBron James. The Nets have better young assets to offer the Nuggets, including center Brook Lopez, all-star guard Devin Harris and rookie forward Derrick Favors.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/08/17/2010-08-17_report_carmelo_likely_to_leave_nuggets.html#ixzz0wsYKfnb3

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8/17/2010  11:52 AM
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BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:They would probably want Curry, Gallo, and Randolph, but we will give them Curry, either one of those guys and Chandler, which is very fair. I would still rather give Randolph and start Gallo at the SG.

You guys are chickens for goodness sakes--I will give them sht!!!! and wait and get him for free. WTF would I give up any of our young stars--so I can deplete the roster???? Lets see what we have first and be patient--I think we will be very good as is--if we start giving away this guy and that guy we could trade ourselves into a mediocre team when there was no need.

If a deal is available I think the Knicks have to pull the trigger. Like I said you are not going to get Anthony for free any deal whether if it is trade of FA signing will result in players lost. Would rather have this deal done sooner rather than later and get the team moving forwards sooner. Don't want to lose these young player that we have but need to get more proven players in. If Denver is going to lose Melo for nothing then the Knicks are in the drivers seat and certain player will be deemed untouchable by the Knicks. I personally think that AR, Gallo, Amare, Felton are going to be untouchable. The rest of the Knicks team will all be available in the possible trade scenario which is ok with me.

To me the NY untouchable list is

AR and Gallo--obviously Amare is a cornerstone who wont even be mentioned because of contract. But Im wary of giving up anything unless it really made sense. If the Knicks did a deal that included either Gallo or AR--or worse both--then they are sckers. You could trade star when you didnt have to.

Bernard King was a great player--better than Melo--you just dont win games because of a guy like that +++ he hasnt won crp other than good regular season stuff and that teams is stacked. Dont get me wrong Ill take him--but not at the expense of our core front-line and Id rather pay 0. Why not be patient?

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8/17/2010  11:55 AM
GustavBahler wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/08/17/2010-08-17_report_carmelo_likely_to_leave_nuggets.html

Carmelo Anthony will likely leave the Nuggets - perhaps before next season - and the Knicks are a possible, if not likely, destination.

According to an ESPN report, Anthony is mulling two options: to sign the three-year, $65 million extension offer from the Nuggets and convince the team to trade him. Or, he could force a trade by refusing to sign, thereby risking losing money because the CBA expires after next season.

Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke is aware of Anthony's desire and the team is planning its separation strategy, according to the Denver Post. The Nuggets would rather trade Anthony than lose him next summer as a free agent - a scenario that left the Cavaliers with nothing following LeBron James' departure.

That could mean Anthony is traded before the 2010-11 season, although the Nuggets currently don't have a general manager. Executives Mark Warkentien and Rex Chapman were both fired this month, leaving behind a vacancy that experienced GMs are reportedly shunning because of Denver's evasive ownership.

As a Brooklyn native and an NCAA champion at Syracuse, Anthony is keen on joining Amar'e Stoudemire in New York. He recently wed former MTV VJ La La Vasquez in Manhattan, where Hornets guard Chris Paul and Stoudemire reportedly talked about the idea of forming their own Big-3 with the Knicks.

Anthony spent a lot of time in New York this summer, including last week at Michael Jordan's basketball camp at Rucker's Park and in Radio City Music Hall for the World Basketball Festival.

His wife, Vasquez, is also from Brooklyn.

As reported by the Daily News, Isiah Thomas has convinced Knicks owner James Dolan he can deliver Anthony to the Knicks, which would clear the way for Thomas to take over the club again as president or general manager.

But if the Nuggets are trading Anthony, the Knicks might not have the assets to acquire the Olympic champion. With Stoudemire as the only player deemed untradeable, the Knicks can package only Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph with other unproven talent.

Nets minority owner Jay-Z has close ties with Anthony and is also committed to signing him, the News learned. It's something he failed to do with another basketball buddy, LeBron James. The Nets have better young assets to offer the Nuggets, including center Brook Lopez, all-star guard Devin Harris and rookie forward Derrick Favors.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/08/17/2010-08-17_report_carmelo_likely_to_leave_nuggets.html#ixzz0wsYKfnb3

See Denver has strength right now--they have the time to make teams ante up. What could happen is you could deplete your self so badly--that even with Anthony and Stoudemire--you could be very weak in terms of cap and picks to put a team together. Remember Denver hasnt won sht with a LOADED team.

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8/17/2010  12:07 PM
You guys miss the fact Melo, Gallo and Chandler all play the same position. If they wait for him in the off season they still have Gallo, Randolph and Melo....same situation. Melo is not gonna play shooting guard. Gallo would also be a waste at shooting guard. Anyway you look at it, Melo will greatly change the outlook of the team.....is it really worth the trouble?
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8/17/2010  12:09 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:They would probably want Curry, Gallo, and Randolph, but we will give them Curry, either one of those guys and Chandler, which is very fair. I would still rather give Randolph and start Gallo at the SG.

You guys are chickens for goodness sakes--I will give them sht!!!! and wait and get him for free. WTF would I give up any of our young stars--so I can deplete the roster???? Lets see what we have first and be patient--I think we will be very good as is--if we start giving away this guy and that guy we could trade ourselves into a mediocre team when there was no need.

I like this game plan too. I can go either do nothing and wait or send Curry's contract, The Mayor, TD and 2nd round picks(s).

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8/17/2010  12:11 PM
grillco wrote:If he wants the big three year money, he's not going to be able to demand NY. Denver will want the best deal possible from anywhere in the league. As i stated in my thread, I think the Knicks were too quick to use the remaining cap space in the Lee and sign and trade and should have been more patient. Chandler or Gallo puls the $$$/trade exemption might have been able to land Melo or CP. Right now their options are limited by who they can actually trade (the new guys either can't be packaged together or traded until December), who they want to trade, and if Denver has any interest in what they have at all. I hope everything works out as I've wanted Melo in the Orange and Blue since he won the championship at 'Cuse (always liked him more than LeBron), but I'd rather the team sign him as a free agent next summer rather than potentially lose Danilo.

The new guys from Golden State can be traded now.
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8/17/2010  12:13 PM
Markji wrote:
grillco wrote:If he wants the big three year money, he's not going to be able to demand NY. Denver will want the best deal possible from anywhere in the league. As i stated in my thread, I think the Knicks were too quick to use the remaining cap space in the Lee and sign and trade and should have been more patient. Chandler or Gallo puls the $$$/trade exemption might have been able to land Melo or CP. Right now their options are limited by who they can actually trade (the new guys either can't be packaged together or traded until December), who they want to trade, and if Denver has any interest in what they have at all. I hope everything works out as I've wanted Melo in the Orange and Blue since he won the championship at 'Cuse (always liked him more than LeBron), but I'd rather the team sign him as a free agent next summer rather than potentially lose Danilo.

The new guys from Golden State can be traded now.

Yup. Only players that got new contracts can't be traded until december (i.e. Felton, Stoudemire, Mozgov, Mason, Rautins)

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