TymeLessKnicks wrote:this kid is not very smart. glad we didnt draft him!

Of course the Pacers are probably pissed off because he was "smart" enough to sign a 2 year contract for $1.5M before he did this.

Funny- I thought, and still think, that a lot of guys around here were overrating his ability on the court, but now it turns out I was overlooking his "inability" off the court.

There are probably reasons for him leaving school early that go beyond his belief that he was ready to play in the NBA. If he made the next step in progressing as a college player, and stayed clean, he would have been a potential mid-1st Rnd. pick, and if he is as good as some of you think he is, he might have been a late lottery pick.

I wonder if he would have been able to do what Jennings did in Europe. If he had been able to hack it for a year in Euro ball, it probably would have helped him more that playing at a college where you figure he had some kind of cream-puff degree created for him and tutors on demand. I expect that he must have realized he could BS his way through a year of college better than dealing with the ownership of a European team, which would have kicked his butt off the continent if he caused any trouble over there.

You play the percentages when you take a chance on a "bad character" player. He might turn out fine- but there is always the chance that he will be a loser.

In 2 years, this kid, who could have been a student of mine if I had been at Lincoln, will make more $$ than I will have made in my entire, soon to be finished, teaching career, and he can't even play a bloody exhibition game under contract before screwing up.

He may yet turn things around, but think about all the extra opportunities he would have had to get in trouble if the Knicks had taken him and he was able to hang out in NYC all the time.

We dodged a bullet when Donnie decided not to take this guy.

eViL wrote:

EnySpree wrote:It takes two to tango....as a man, you walk away. A 19 year old is compelled to confront a female just so he can tell her how much if a bitch she is. As a grown man you know not to go there and walk away.

I don't think this woman was minding her own business when the big macho man came along and pushed her down the stairs yelling "take that!". Come on now. He shouldn't have been theRe at no 5am arguing with her. But he's 19. I'm just glad she had minor injuries. This could be way worse.

c'mon dude. most men have the physical advantage over most women anyway. this dude is a 6'5" 210lb professional athlete. whether or not that woman was talking ****, or hitting him, he had the strength to physically subdue her without beating on her or throwing her down the stairs. not to mention, he always has the option of walking away.

i don't get the age angle either. i don't think it bears any relevance. sure a 19 year old is less mature, but this is a deep-seated moral character issue. people should inherently know that it's not right to physically attack someone who is at a great physical disadvantage and poses no legitimate threat to them.

It's all cultural stuff.
In some cultures and nations women treated like dogs.
That’s why this people and nations are primitive.
This guy is also primitive. World moving forward and these guys are still in Stone Age.

eViL wrote:

EnySpree wrote:It takes two to tango....as a man, you walk away. A 19 year old is compelled to confront a female just so he can tell her how much if a bitch she is. As a grown man you know not to go there and walk away.

I don't think this woman was minding her own business when the big macho man came along and pushed her down the stairs yelling "take that!". Come on now. He shouldn't have been theRe at no 5am arguing with her. But he's 19. I'm just glad she had minor injuries. This could be way worse.

c'mon dude. most men have the physical advantage over most women anyway. this dude is a 6'5" 210lb professional athlete. whether or not that woman was talking ****, or hitting him, he had the strength to physically subdue her without beating on her or throwing her down the stairs. not to mention, he always has the option of walking away.

i don't get the age angle either. i don't think it bears any relevance. sure a 19 year old is less mature, but this is a deep-seated moral character issue. people should inherently know that it's not right to physically attack someone who is at a great physical disadvantage and poses no legitimate threat to them.

I find it hard to believe that he threw her down the stairs. Like you said he's huge. The article didn't say it was reported that he beat her and then threw her down the stairs. If the police report/charges say that's what he did than that is different. This to me sounds like it was an argument in a staircase and she fell in a struggle. I find it hard to believe he threw her like Jazzy Jeff on the fresh prince of belair.

I think anyone that hits a female is scum but this doesn't seem like its that serious. I think its a shame how you guys can get bent out of shape and all the facts aren't in.

Olbrannon wrote:

Gonna send this gal over to discuss the problem

This "person" looks a lot like a photoshopped Steve Nash.

Lance Stephenson, Indiana Pacers NBA player, arrested for pushing his girlfriend down the stairs

BY John Lauinger
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Originally Published:Sunday, August 15th 2010, 8:09 PM
Updated: Monday, August 16th 2010, 2:48 AM

Coney Island basketball star Lance Stephenson - a second-round pick of the Indiana Pacers in the June NBA draft - was busted yesterday for pushing his girlfriend down a flight of stairs, cops said.

Stephenson, 19, a legendary player at Brooklyn's Abraham Lincoln High School, roughed up Jasmine Williams, 21, at her Brooklyn apartment building about 5 a.m., police said.

The 6-foot-5 rookie point guard's cowardly shove sent Williams - the mother of Stephenson's child - tumbling headfirst down 10 steps, requiring her to be treated at a hospital for injuries to her head and neck, cops said.

It was not clear what prompted the violence, which stunned Stephenson's former youth league coach, Joe Packer.

"It's a shame because everything seemed to be going so well," Packer said, referring to the couple's relationship.

Stephenson, who played one year at the University of Cincinnati before getting drafted 40th overall by the Pacers, was hit with a felony rap of second-degree assault, cops said.

He was also booked on charges of third-degree assault, harassment and menacing. Prosecutors added a charge of criminal possession of a weapon, but a spokesman could not specify what the weapon was.

Stephenson had been considered a first-round talent but dropped to the second round due to off-the-court issues, including a 2008 bust for sexually abusing a 17-year-old girl inside Lincoln High School.

Following his arrest yesterday, Stephenson met with his agent, Alberto Ebanks, Packer said. Ebanks represented the troubled star in his 2008 arrest, which was resolved when he pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct.

Stephenson, who inked a deal with the Pacers that will reportedly pay him $700,000 for the upcoming season, was a scoring machine at Lincoln, finishing his high school career as the leading scorer in New York State history.

He won four city championships while at Lincoln, making him an heir to the Coney Island hoops tradition established by former NBA star Stephon Marbury and current member of the Minnesota Timberwolves Sebastian Telfair.

Papabear wrote:

eViL wrote:

misterearl wrote:"Damn son....but yo he's 19. We all go through stuff like this."

EnySpree - no son, we don't all push young woman down a flight of stairs

was gonna say the same thing. also...

EnySpree wrote:He's a professional athlete so he should have known better.

really? what does being a pro athlete have to do with anything here. no man should be beating on women. pro athlete, joe schmoe, nobody...

Papabear Says

He deserves a second chance. He is only 19 years old. He should have known better. Look at Chris Brown his careen is just about gone. Look years ago men would kick their womans ass and it wouldn't be a bleep in the news. Don't the NBA have classes on this stuff.

This is the part that I always question-- regardless of the person, the act, etc... having the right to get paid the salaries that these guys get paid to play a game is a f---ing privilege, not a right. It shouldn't be taken lightly. Papabear-- what's your rule-- one free wife or girlfriend beating before we take significant action? He's just a kid? Then stop letting him play in the NBA until he becomes a man. I don't need to pay to see guys like this. F--- him. There are plenty of talented players that would love to have his spot. These guys should be earning their salary on and off the court.

Simple formula that transformed us from a blue collar hard working franchise that always left it on the floor to a bunch of hood rats that didn't care and don't try.

It's great to have guys like Turiaf, Amare, Buke, Felton, Gallo and TD. Amazing the owner wanted to destroy all the goodwill Donnie created.

Say no to anyone from Lincoln at all costs. It is going to be suprising to everyone in the media how good and close this team will be.

I'm in no way an advocate for beating or hitting woman, but if a chic is kicking me, spitting in my face, swinging at me, trying to scratch my eyes out, i may give her a good shove. I'm sure he wasn't trying to hurt her much, she just happen to be at the top of the stairs when the shoving occured.

Just looking at how it may have happen