ATrain wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I guess we massively over estimated Collinsons value- wow! And to think we thought he was only obtainable if you took OK4's contract- good job we aren't GM of the Knicks! Great deal for the Pacers, amazingly stupid move for the Hornets- they should have kept Collinson as insurance in case they lose CP- or at least got a much better player than Ariza. Good move for Rockets too. I don't understand the trade at all from the Nets perspective- wouldn't of minded Murphy as a one season back up on our team though (only for his shooting and rebounding- I'd only of offered Curry)- don't see how he fits into the Nets plans.

I don't know- there must be more to this trade, surely- it doesn't make that much sense as it stands.

I think we did over estimate Collinsons value a bit. It looks like he will be starting for Indy as they are actively trying to get rid of T.j. Ford

That or people really underestimated how toxic Okafor's contract is to every team.

nyk4ever wrote:

jimimou wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:if the pacers buy out tj ford, i would love to bring him in to backup felton. i like his ability to run this offense much better than douglas and if you play ford 20 mpg he should flourish.

tj ford is one wrong neck twist away from his career being over. additionally, he has had attitutde problems both in toronto and in indy. why waste your money on a what/if like this?

well i don't want him starting, that's for sure.

you think even as a 15-20mpg backup it would be a poor investment? i think at this point in his career he must realize his only role for a team will be a backup player due to his injury history.

even for all of his PG deficiencies, I would still take TD at 10-12MPG at PG after Felton. Give him some time to grow and he plays D.

martin wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

jimimou wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:if the pacers buy out tj ford, i would love to bring him in to backup felton. i like his ability to run this offense much better than douglas and if you play ford 20 mpg he should flourish.

tj ford is one wrong neck twist away from his career being over. additionally, he has had attitutde problems both in toronto and in indy. why waste your money on a what/if like this?

well i don't want him starting, that's for sure.

you think even as a 15-20mpg backup it would be a poor investment? i think at this point in his career he must realize his only role for a team will be a backup player due to his injury history.

even for all of his PG deficiencies, I would still take TD at 10-12MPG at PG after Felton. Give him some time to grow and he plays D.

and he comes at a cheaper price than ford and is willing to work hard for minutes. tj just isnt that guy.

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:

CHAOS wrote:Four-Team Trade On The Verge Of Completion

Aug 11, 2010 1:16 PM EST
The Hornets, Rockets, Pacers and Nets are on the verge of a four-team trade, according to a report from Chad Ford.

Darren Collison and James Posey would be sent to Indiana, Trevor Ariza would go to New Orleans, Courtney Lee would go to Houston, while New Jersey would receive Troy Murphy.

The deal is in the advanced stages, according to sources.

Via Chad Ford/ESPN (via Twitter)

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68639/20100811/four_team_trade_on_the_verge_of_completion/#ixzz0wJsLj5pf

Collison & Posey for Trevor Ariza? that's horrible! we couldn't have made a better offer for Collison than that? that's a joke.

The question is were we willing to take Posey and send Chandler to New Orleans? Probably not.

of course not, that's cuz we're still in a damn holding pattern until Melo decides where he wants to go... we're passing up on a great young PG talent like Collison because we're too scared to take on any more longterm salary, which to me is ridiculous.

Knixkik wrote:This is a great deal for the Pacers, they have one of the nicest young core groups in the league. This is a move of desperation for New Orleans. Ariza fits with Paul but is vastly overrated. This deal does nothing to put the Hornets in any different position than they were already in, it just adds a bad salary to a financially struggling team.

I forgot they drafted Paul George.

BRIGGS wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:if the pacers buy out tj ford, i would love to bring him in to backup felton. i like his ability to run this offense much better than douglas and if you play ford 20 mpg he should flourish.

Great idea nyk--I would be on that very quick. This is why we should have been patient with RGMJR--we dont have as much cap space as we could've to seal a deal with ford(but hopefully we can do it anyway--please ny mangement dont be stupid!!!!. If we get ford I would make Douglas expendable in a deal with Sacramento for a big.

i think he'd be a great backup for us. i like TD as a player, but i don't think he's ever going to be the pure pg that tj ford is. i'm not trying to rag on TD, but i just think if we get the chance to get a guy like tj ford - who if not for injuries - would be a starting pg somewhere in this league that we should hop on it. that might be the best pg combo in the nba when healthy. we could seriously wear other teams down by having maybe the fastest pg tandem in the nba history.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Knixkik wrote:This is a great deal for the Pacers, they have one of the nicest young core groups in the league. This is a move of desperation for New Orleans. Ariza fits with Paul but is vastly overrated. This deal does nothing to put the Hornets in any different position than they were already in, it just adds a bad salary to a financially struggling team.

I agree. Trevor Ariza is a career role player.