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MaTT4281
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8/10/2010  9:52 AM
Brooklyn Clippers?
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8/10/2010  11:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/10/2010  11:11 AM
Brooklyn Bourgeois. The name fits the team rather perfectly.

Pronunciation: \ˈbu̇rzh-ˌwä also ˈbu̇zh- or ˈbüzh- or bu̇rzh-ˈ\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French, from Old French burgeis townsman, from burc, borg town, from Latin burgus
Date: circa 1565

1 : of, relating to, or characteristic of the townsman or of the social middle class
2 : marked by a concern for material interests and respectability and a tendency toward mediocrity
3 : dominated by commercial and industrial interests : capitalistic

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8/10/2010  11:44 AM
Sput-Knicks!

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8/10/2010  11:45 AM
Brooklyn Hipsters

Brooklyn Thugs

Brooklyn Crooklyns

Either way, as long as Dolan is the boss of the Knicks, the new "Nets" will be getting my intial support.

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8/10/2010  11:46 AM
TMS wrote:Brooklyn Spetsnaz

That would actually be pretty cool.

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8/10/2010  11:54 AM
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thejerk wrote:He should definitely go with the Brooklyn Ballers.

that's the first thing i thought of. i don't know. sounds cool now, but might not have the lasting classic appeal. maybe they should name them the dodgers. haha.

yo, but for real, i am excited for an alternative to the knicks. finally, we'll be able to make a choice. no longer held hostage by that jerk dolan.

no offense but that goes against everything being a Knick fan means. Knick fans are DIE HARD world famous. We don't jump bandwagons!

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And no offense to you, Ive been a "die-hard" Knick fan since 1987, but at some point you have to come to your senses. James Dolan started running this team in the late 90's, and has done nothing but push fans away constantly. Why do the Knicks deserve to have die-hard fans care and continue to provide revenue? To support James Dolan's incompetency? Please. Bandwagon jumping is seeing a winner and going with that. It's not realizing that the top the the team that you love is being run by a Daddy's Lil' Loser who will forever doom the Knicks (and the Rangers) to mediocrity.

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The sight of Isiah on the sidelines when he coached made me sick.

I got history with the Nets from when they were on Long Island.

My first game was watching Lou Carnesecca coach Rick Barry and the Nets.

We used to go and watch the nets play the Squires and Dr. J!

Then full blown fan when Dr. J came to Nets. Used to see him all the time near Lido Beach

I had enough love for two teams. When Nets sold Dr. J I turned my back on them. MOving to Nj and sucking made it easy.

The Sexual Harrassment case and the subsequent denial of it made me sick. To even bring this dude back just on that issue let alone the banking of the franchise on Marbury and the idiocy surrounding the hiring and fireing of Chaney-Lenny-Herb-Himself as well as the cap blunders all point to some kind of lunatic admiration of Dolan towards Isiah. The guy is linked with Racist and sexist statements as well.

Oh, and the won-loss record I suppose is important.

Lets see what happens but Dolan is one strange dude.

How does one root for the team to win but not Isiah?

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8/10/2010  1:05 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
eViL wrote:
thejerk wrote:He should definitely go with the Brooklyn Ballers.

that's the first thing i thought of. i don't know. sounds cool now, but might not have the lasting classic appeal. maybe they should name them the dodgers. haha.

yo, but for real, i am excited for an alternative to the knicks. finally, we'll be able to make a choice. no longer held hostage by that jerk dolan.

no offense but that goes against everything being a Knick fan means. Knick fans are DIE HARD world famous. We don't jump bandwagons!

none taken. trust me, i've never felt this way in my entire life as a knicks fan. however, i've come to realize that teams don't value their hardcore fans. we're the ones that are fans no matter what and that attitude makes us powerless. i am absolutely sick of dolan flaunting how little he cares about us as fans. i never thought i would consider dropping this team, but enough is enough. it's beyond the point of disagreeing with management decisions. i feel like i'm being antagonized by ownership.

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8/10/2010  1:27 PM
eViL wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
eViL wrote:
thejerk wrote:He should definitely go with the Brooklyn Ballers.

that's the first thing i thought of. i don't know. sounds cool now, but might not have the lasting classic appeal. maybe they should name them the dodgers. haha.

yo, but for real, i am excited for an alternative to the knicks. finally, we'll be able to make a choice. no longer held hostage by that jerk dolan.

no offense but that goes against everything being a Knick fan means. Knick fans are DIE HARD world famous. We don't jump bandwagons!

none taken. trust me, i've never felt this way in my entire life as a knicks fan. however, i've come to realize that teams don't value their hardcore fans. we're the ones that are fans no matter what and that attitude makes us powerless. i am absolutely sick of dolan flaunting how little he cares about us as fans. i never thought i would consider dropping this team, but enough is enough. it's beyond the point of disagreeing with management decisions. i feel like i'm being antagonized by ownership.


I agree eVil. It's FLAUNTING. It's ANTAGONIZING. It is the ignorance, arrogance, and incompetance that comes with entitlement and being given everything in your life and made to feel that you have somehow achieved something. Everything Dolan has touched in his life has been a failure, and as long as he is in charge of the Knicks, the Knicks will be a failure.

Imagine James Dolan in the meetings with Lebron James. Imagine the dumb things he said and Donnie and D'Antoni's inability to tell him to shut up. Imagine someone who thinks bringing back Isiah is somehow a good idea in ANY sense. Just a complete utter disconnect, and I for one am close to being done with the Knicks.

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8/10/2010  1:36 PM
perfect segue......here's a survey from the backpage of the post on dolan's 10 dumbest moves. i posted the results below as well to give an indication of what people think.....funny to see that the rehiring of isaiah ranks #1....


VOTE: Dolan's dumbest moves
12:41 PM, August 9, 2010 ι By JUSTIN TERRANOVA


Knicks fans were dumbfounded when word of Isiah Thomas’ hiring reached them.

At first I was shocked, too. But after thinking it over, it really shouldn’t have come as that much of a surprise.

In the past month, the Knicks dispatched Thomas to talk to LeBron James in a hail-mary attempt to land the superstar, which shockingly failed. Thomas also was thanked at the press conference introducing Amar’e Stoudemire.

But above all else, when you have an owner as clueless and arrogant as James Dolan, nothing can come as a surprise. Not for Knicks fans nor Rangers fans, who have watched their teams run into the ground over the last decade.

Dolan’s level of involvement varies with different items, but his fingerprints are on each one:

10. Banishing Marv Albert – Albert was allowed back to the Knicks after the sexual biting incident that marred an otherwise sterling career. But when he bashed the awful Knicks on-air in 2004, he was let go. Albert was a voice of better times with the Knicks and deserved to be recognized as such. Instead, the franchise ignores him and allows him to work for the Nets in the same town.

9. Hiring Bryan Trottier to be Rangers coach — Why stop at insulting your own fan base when you can take down two at the same time? Dolan and GM Glen Sather hired the former Islanders great to coach the Rangers before the start of the 2002 season. Islanders fans considered Trottier a traitor, Rangers fans simply called him a failure. After 54 games, Trottier was canned with a 21-26-7 record.

8. Hiring Isiah Thomas — This is the first, but not the last, Thomas mention in this list. The Knicks needed to rid themselves of Scott Layden and they hired Thomas despite his failings as an executive following a Hall of Fame career as a player. Thomas had a non-descript run in the Raptors front office, then helped run the CBA into the ground and started the downfall of the early 2000s Pacers. Still, after being hired in December 2003, Thomas aggressively acquired Stephon Marbury and the Knicks made the playoffs -- not a bad start.

7. Larry Brown debacle — Brown is not blameless, but he's enjoyed success at almost every coaching stop he’s made. Well, almost every one. Brown signed a five-year contract reportedly in the $50-$60 million range with the Knicks before the 2005 season. But the Knicks went 23-59 and Brown publicly clashed with Marbury. The Knicks apparently chose the me-first point guard over the Hall of Fame coach and bought out Brown’s contract. Of course, this came only after weeks of uncertainty over Brown’s future. Brown’s "dream job"

turned out to be another Knicks’ nightmare. The Knicks would then add to Thomas’ job by making him head coach.

6. Rangers’ awful spending — Though Sather certainly deserves his fair share of the blame on these, Dolan had a say in the signings of Wade Redden, Scott Gomez, Chris Drury, Eric Lindros and Pavel Bure. All were big-money busts on Broadway.

5. Not immediately settling the Anucha Browne Sanders case — I imagine the conversation went something like this:

Dolan: Hey, Isiah maybe we should just settle this case, so it doesn’t become a public relations debacle.

Thomas: No, I'll handle it Jimbo.

Dolan: You’ve earned my trust. Let’s go for it.

So the sexual harassment lawsuit Browne Sanders filed against Thomas and the Knicks went to trial, included several embarrassing revelations (Marbury's relationship with an intern, for example). And the Knicks lost this one, too, with the jury ruling that Browne Sanders should receive $11.6 million in punitive damages — $2 million more than she had asked for.

4. Giving Isiah Thomas an extension — On March 10, 2007 the Knicks beat the Wizards 90-89 to improve to 29-34 and move into the eighth spot in the Eastern Conference standings. Well, guess what? Time to give Thomas more money. "I believe we have clearly seen significant and evident progress,"

Dolan said at the time. The Knicks finished 4-15 and seven games out of a playoff spot.

3. Keeping Glen Sather — There’s no other way to say it: Glen Sather had a brilliant career with the Edmonton Oilers, winning five Stanley Cups in seven years. He served as GM and president and stepped in as coach on several occasions. But he left his ability to make solid decisions north of the border and has presided over a mediocre period of Rangers hockey. The signings listed above serve as proof, along with the fact the Rangers have yet to make it out of the second round of the playoffs since Sather took over in 2000. The "Fire Sather!" chants will continue at MSG.

2. Scott Layden era — Maybe your brain just turns to mush when you are running a Garden team. Layden was given credit for the Jazz drafting John Stockton and Karl Malone. He never did anything close to that good with the Knicks in his three-year run as GM. The list of moves Layden made is long and undistinguished. It includes overpaying Allan Houston; acquiring Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson, who were both at the start of awful long-term contracts; trading Nene and Marcus Camby for Antonio McDyess; and drafting Maciej Lampe.

1. Bringing back Isiah Thomas — You would think that no matter what, the Knicks would have made an improvement by firing Layden and replacing him with Thomas. Instead, Thomas continued the wasteful spending and foolish moves, making him more hated than even Layden was. Eddy Curry and Jerome James top the list of Thomas’ errors, and finally, after five years, Dolan "reassigned" Thomas and replaced him with Donnie Walsh. It is one of the few moves that can be considered positive, and Dolan wiped that away in one swoop when he last week officially brought back Thomas as a consultant, a decision that has been universally panned for its stupidity. But surprising?

No, it isn't.


What do you think Dolan's biggest mistake is?

Banishing Marv Albert 3.5% (74 votes)

Hiring Trottier 0.6% (12 votes)

Hiring Isiah the first time 9.8% (208 votes)

Larry Brown debacle 2.3% (49 votes)

Rangers' awful spending 1.9% (40 votes)

Anucha Browne Sanders case 3% (63 votes)

Isiah extension 6.8% (144 votes)

Not firing Glen Sather 11.4% (241 votes)

The Layden era 3.5% (74 votes)

Bringing back Isiah as consultant 57.3% (1,216 votes)

Total Votes: 2,121

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8/10/2010  2:58 PM
I quite literally despise Isaiah. I loathe the thought of him back on the Knicks.

But just to keep it real, he DID bring us David Lee, and that was turned into AR, Turiaf and Buke. He lacks almost everything decent, but he has an eye for draft talent. Think what you will about his participation, but if Donnie accepts him, then I will, too, particularly if he scoops another stud for us like David.

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jimimou wrote:2. Scott Layden era — Maybe your brain just turns to mush when you are running a Garden team. Layden was given credit for the Jazz drafting John Stockton and Karl Malone. He never did anything close to that good with the Knicks in his three-year run as GM. The list of moves Layden made is long and undistinguished. It includes overpaying Allan Houston; acquiring Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson, who were both at the start of awful long-term contracts; trading Nene and Marcus Camby for Antonio McDyess; and drafting Maciej Lampe.

let's not forget the other 2 members of the Shanvis Eisleyspoon foursome

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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8/10/2010  3:03 PM
toodarkmark wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
eViL wrote:
thejerk wrote:He should definitely go with the Brooklyn Ballers.

that's the first thing i thought of. i don't know. sounds cool now, but might not have the lasting classic appeal. maybe they should name them the dodgers. haha.

yo, but for real, i am excited for an alternative to the knicks. finally, we'll be able to make a choice. no longer held hostage by that jerk dolan.

no offense but that goes against everything being a Knick fan means. Knick fans are DIE HARD world famous. We don't jump bandwagons!

\

And no offense to you, Ive been a "die-hard" Knick fan since 1987, but at some point you have to come to your senses. James Dolan started running this team in the late 90's, and has done nothing but push fans away constantly. Why do the Knicks deserve to have die-hard fans care and continue to provide revenue? To support James Dolan's incompetency? Please. Bandwagon jumping is seeing a winner and going with that. It's not realizing that the top the the team that you love is being run by a Daddy's Lil' Loser who will forever doom the Knicks (and the Rangers) to mediocrity.

Don't do it, stick in there from one fan to another. Support the Knicks not Dolan! I was a Knick fan before Dolan took charge and I plan to still be a knick fan after he's been fired, burned in effigy and faded into oblivion. DIE HARD baby.

I don't support Dolan but the GUYS ON THE COURT. They are the Knicks, not Dolan and my love for them has shined as bright during these bad times as it did during the good.

There were times I promised myself that next season, no league pass for me but, then when the time come, I can't follow through. I love the blue and orange, the msg logo, the whole shebang.

sports, like life is about transition and we went from a good team on the bubble of greatness (ewings knicks) to worse than mediocrity. Eventually the Knicks will be on top again I will be able to say with pride (AND HOPE YOUR THERE WITH ME) that I never abandoned my team

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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8/10/2010  3:11 PM
TMS wrote:
jimimou wrote:2. Scott Layden era — Maybe your brain just turns to mush when you are running a Garden team. Layden was given credit for the Jazz drafting John Stockton and Karl Malone. He never did anything close to that good with the Knicks in his three-year run as GM. The list of moves Layden made is long and undistinguished. It includes overpaying Allan Houston; acquiring Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson, who were both at the start of awful long-term contracts; trading Nene and Marcus Camby for Antonio McDyess; and drafting Maciej Lampe.

let's not forget the other 2 members of the Shanvis Eisleyspoon foursome

And Michael Sweetney with the #9 pick (sorry Bonn)

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8/10/2010  3:28 PM
They should be called the Brooklyn Roc-A-Fellas.
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8/10/2010  3:38 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
toodarkmark wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
eViL wrote:
thejerk wrote:He should definitely go with the Brooklyn Ballers.

that's the first thing i thought of. i don't know. sounds cool now, but might not have the lasting classic appeal. maybe they should name them the dodgers. haha.

yo, but for real, i am excited for an alternative to the knicks. finally, we'll be able to make a choice. no longer held hostage by that jerk dolan.

no offense but that goes against everything being a Knick fan means. Knick fans are DIE HARD world famous. We don't jump bandwagons!

\

And no offense to you, Ive been a "die-hard" Knick fan since 1987, but at some point you have to come to your senses. James Dolan started running this team in the late 90's, and has done nothing but push fans away constantly. Why do the Knicks deserve to have die-hard fans care and continue to provide revenue? To support James Dolan's incompetency? Please. Bandwagon jumping is seeing a winner and going with that. It's not realizing that the top the the team that you love is being run by a Daddy's Lil' Loser who will forever doom the Knicks (and the Rangers) to mediocrity.

Don't do it, stick in there from one fan to another. Support the Knicks not Dolan! I was a Knick fan before Dolan took charge and I plan to still be a knick fan after he's been fired, burned in effigy and faded into oblivion. DIE HARD baby.

I don't support Dolan but the GUYS ON THE COURT. They are the Knicks, not Dolan and my love for them has shined as bright during these bad times as it did during the good.

There were times I promised myself that next season, no league pass for me but, then when the time come, I can't follow through. I love the blue and orange, the msg logo, the whole shebang.

sports, like life is about transition and we went from a good team on the bubble of greatness (ewings knicks) to worse than mediocrity. Eventually the Knicks will be on top again I will be able to say with pride (AND HOPE YOUR THERE WITH ME) that I never abandoned my team

You make a great case Durzo, but I just can't do it anymore. It pains me because I am still a Knick fan but...I've never been more ready to say goodbye. Like a girlfriend who has treated bad enough for too long, sometimes it is just best to say PEACE. But I will still look at my old magazines with Patrick Ewing, Charles Oakley, and John Starks, and still watch my old Ewing VHS. But nowadays? The Heat and the Nets are just calling my name.

I don't care what people think. People are stupid. - Charles Barkley
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8/10/2010  3:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/10/2010  3:41 PM
toodarkmark wrote:
The Heat and the Nets are just calling my name.

ACK! Say it ain't so!
I was feelin' ya till you said that last line!
By all means, go route for Orlando, or LA, or Boston, but ACK!, not the Heat!
That WOULD be band wagon jumpin, to be sure!

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8/10/2010  3:57 PM

Its true about you root for who is on the court.

And when Isiah was on the bench with that blank stare as they lost games and respect It was hard.

I hated the Isiah hire from day one but supported in good faith.

Walsh spent two years mopping up the vomit and it would be a shame to let Isiah back in the house once its all cleaned up.

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8/10/2010  6:45 PM
Nalod wrote:
Its true about you root for who is on the court.

And when Isiah was on the bench with that blank stare as they lost games and respect It was hard.

I hated the Isiah hire from day one but supported in good faith.

Walsh spent two years mopping up the vomit and it would be a shame to let Isiah back in the house once its all cleaned up.

Papabear Says

Walsh gave everything away thinking he was getting lebron

Papabear
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8/10/2010  7:48 PM
Papabear wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Its true about you root for who is on the court.

And when Isiah was on the bench with that blank stare as they lost games and respect It was hard.

I hated the Isiah hire from day one but supported in good faith.

Walsh spent two years mopping up the vomit and it would be a shame to let Isiah back in the house once its all cleaned up.

Papabear Says

Walsh gave everything away thinking he was getting lebron

at least he had some options in case lbj didnt work out... had it been IT we woulda ended up with joe j, arenas, tmac, or worse.

GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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