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sidsanders
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8/5/2010  5:22 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Deron Williams tops my Christmas List over CP3 and Melo both.

Utah lifer yathink?

that works too. my most unrealistic target: kd

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8/5/2010  5:26 PM
Check out who made the top overrated players in the league

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8/5/2010  5:31 PM
Carmelo Anthony is a beast, i knew he would catch heat for doing nothing in the playoffs this year.
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8/5/2010  5:34 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a beast, i knew he would catch heat for doing nothing in the playoffs this year.

or the other years as well? its happened to all the guys who put up stats and dont advance in the playoffs much (mcgrady, etc).

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8/5/2010  5:54 PM
Melo can hang with anyone in the game on the offensive end. he went toe to toe with Kobe in the WCF and almost willed his team to the upset. there's no way anyone can argue he's not a max type talent. however, u have to consider the team's need and the type of game we wanna implement. are we really better off with a high volume shooter who will take shot opportunities away from everyone else, or are we better off with someone who will get everyone else involved in the offense and be a leader on the floor? my vote goes to the latter.
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8/5/2010  5:56 PM

Melo is a bit better than Glenn Rice and Glen "Big Dog" Robinson.
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8/5/2010  6:03 PM
TMS wrote:Melo can hang with anyone in the game on the offensive end. he went toe to toe with Kobe in the WCF and almost willed his team to the upset. there's no way anyone can argue he's not a max type talent. however, u have to consider the team's need and the type of game we wanna implement. are we really better off with a high volume shooter who will take shot opportunities away from everyone else, or are we better off with someone who will get everyone else involved in the offense and be a leader on the floor? my vote goes to the latter.

+1 to that. Playmaker over chucker any day, even if the guy can be a finisher late in close games.

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8/5/2010  6:13 PM
Wow ... surprised how little love for Melo on this thread. He is not a 2nd-tier all-star, imo. He's one of the best players on the planet. I put him right up with Wade, Dirk, Howard, Durant. Right behind Kobe, healthy cp3 and King Douche. Slightly ahead of guys like Amare and Deron. Definitely a max player.
He shoots a lot, but he doesn't play a selfish game. He also rebounds, passes well and plays some D. And he's really competitive. I'd take him in a minute and figure out how to work the talent around him. Sometimes, the stats just don't do justice to the impact guys have.
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8/5/2010  6:18 PM
bernard wrote:Wow ... surprised how little love for Melo on this thread. He is not a 2nd-tier all-star, imo. He's one of the best players on the planet. I put him right up with Wade, Dirk, Howard, Durant. Right behind Kobe, healthy cp3 and King Douche. Slightly ahead of guys like Amare and Deron. Definitely a max player.
He shoots a lot, but he doesn't play a selfish game. He also rebounds, passes well and plays some D. And he's really competitive. I'd take him in a minute and figure out how to work the talent around him. Sometimes, the stats just don't do justice to the impact guys have.

what hasnt helped him in my view is his lack of post season success. if he can sustain high levels of play in the post season -- consistently leading his team into more than a 1st round exit, it will help eliminate most folks concerns.

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8/5/2010  6:25 PM
TMS wrote:Melo can hang with anyone in the game on the offensive end. he went toe to toe with Kobe in the WCF and almost willed his team to the upset. there's no way anyone can argue he's not a max type talent. however, u have to consider the team's need and the type of game we wanna implement. are we really better off with a high volume shooter who will take shot opportunities away from everyone else, or are we better off with someone who will get everyone else involved in the offense and be a leader on the floor? my vote goes to the latter.

I think Melo, if coached and put in a system that used him to run the offense, he would get team mates involved.

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8/5/2010  7:38 PM
sidsanders wrote:
bernard wrote:Wow ... surprised how little love for Melo on this thread. He is not a 2nd-tier all-star, imo. He's one of the best players on the planet. I put him right up with Wade, Dirk, Howard, Durant. Right behind Kobe, healthy cp3 and King Douche. Slightly ahead of guys like Amare and Deron. Definitely a max player.
He shoots a lot, but he doesn't play a selfish game. He also rebounds, passes well and plays some D. And he's really competitive. I'd take him in a minute and figure out how to work the talent around him. Sometimes, the stats just don't do justice to the impact guys have.

what hasnt helped him in my view is his lack of post season success. if he can sustain high levels of play in the post season -- consistently leading his team into more than a 1st round exit, it will help eliminate most folks concerns.

But he has had more post season success than say Durant. Not trying to say he better than KD. I think Melo is the AI of SFs. Volume scorer but very capable of much more. I think we should just wait and see how CP3 is playing post injury and then go after him.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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8/5/2010  7:51 PM
Solace wrote:Ok, points noted, but the article fails to mention that it's tougher to maintain a high shooting percentage when you shoot at such a high volume. He's not one of the top 5 players in the league, but he's probably in the top 10. This article solely focused on the negative and makes him sound average. There were some points there, but it's just silly one-sided presentation that makes this article a serious failure.

I do agree that he should shoot less threes.

yea, good point, but as the teams go to scorer, he is taking more tough shots than anyone else. It is not like he is taking spot up open jumpers. Usually he is having to shoot even when double teamed. Article brings out some good points, but there is a lot to be said for elite scorers in which defenses have to prepare for..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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8/5/2010  8:01 PM
I think Melo should be a Knick. He's a big-time player made for a big city. Amare too.
The Knicks don't have a prototypical '3' so he fits the big-picture plan.
I just hope articles like this stoke Melos desire to go to NY and get his props.
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8/5/2010  8:07 PM
I'm not saying it wouldn't be wonderful to add CP3. I just think Felton may be good enough and nicely-priced.
I'd prefer the Knicks use their cap space - I'm assuming they can add one more star-type player - to fill a void at the '3'
rather than using it to improve a fairly 'set' position. This assumes Felton works out, but I think he will.
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8/5/2010  8:10 PM
The hope is that Melo would be more efficient playing here. He may not feel the need to jack up forced shots as much. Mike coaches great shots over good shots. He wants the absolute best, most efficient scoring, which is the key to how his system generates wins. He would have to make a small adjustment to his thinking. There's no need for those crazy low % shots. With his talent he should only have to make those kinds of shots when there's no other way. It seems to always come down to shot selection.

CP3 will be harder to get than Melo, which is the biggest roadblock to getting him. N.O. is not going to let him go cheap. I think he's a perfect fit here, but it's gonna be much harder to make that deal happen, than getting Melo, who we can just wait on.

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8/5/2010  8:14 PM
franco12 wrote:
TMS wrote:Melo can hang with anyone in the game on the offensive end. he went toe to toe with Kobe in the WCF and almost willed his team to the upset. there's no way anyone can argue he's not a max type talent. however, u have to consider the team's need and the type of game we wanna implement. are we really better off with a high volume shooter who will take shot opportunities away from everyone else, or are we better off with someone who will get everyone else involved in the offense and be a leader on the floor? my vote goes to the latter.

I think Melo, if coached and put in a system that used him to run the offense, he would get team mates involved.

do u really think MDA is going to coach him the way you're looking for? he's going to give the guy free reign to launch shots all day, just like he did in Denver... nothing will change... he'll put up huge offensive stats, play no defense, & the rest of the guys on this team will be standing around twiddling their thumbs not expecting any balls to come their way.

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8/5/2010  8:20 PM
With Melo, I agree that statistically he's got some weaknesses. But he's given the rock so often by his
teammates because he's SO GOOD. He probably takes too many shots. But that's a product of the fact that he's
just so much better than the other options on his team. He isn't a 'selfish' player from what I've seen. He's
just the best option almost always and he takes a bunch of ill-advised shots. On a team with a couple other
stars like Amare and, say he continues to develop into a confident top option, Gallo, I think Melo will
Play a bit more efficiently.
When Denver had AI, did Melo play more efficiently?
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8/5/2010  8:23 PM
egelband wrote:When Denver had AI, did Melo play more efficiently?

the answer to that is no... his shot attempts actually increased on the average the year AI joined the squad.

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8/5/2010  8:33 PM
TMS wrote:
egelband wrote:When Denver had AI, did Melo play more efficiently?

the answer to that is no... his shot attempts actually increased on the average the year AI joined the squad.

Argh. That doesn't help my argument. But still, I think Melo would be a great fit.
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8/5/2010  8:37 PM
loweyecue wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
bernard wrote:Wow ... surprised how little love for Melo on this thread. He is not a 2nd-tier all-star, imo. He's one of the best players on the planet. I put him right up with Wade, Dirk, Howard, Durant. Right behind Kobe, healthy cp3 and King Douche. Slightly ahead of guys like Amare and Deron. Definitely a max player.
He shoots a lot, but he doesn't play a selfish game. He also rebounds, passes well and plays some D. And he's really competitive. I'd take him in a minute and figure out how to work the talent around him. Sometimes, the stats just don't do justice to the impact guys have.

what hasnt helped him in my view is his lack of post season success. if he can sustain high levels of play in the post season -- consistently leading his team into more than a 1st round exit, it will help eliminate most folks concerns.

But he has had more post season success than say Durant. Not trying to say he better than KD. I think Melo is the AI of SFs. Volume scorer but very capable of much more. I think we should just wait and see how CP3 is playing post injury and then go after him.

the only success he has had is with billups. outside of that, 1 and done. kd has had 3 yrs only in the playoffs 1 time. we shall see how it goes.

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