Paladin55 wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's nice to have another Jew around.
The only thing I cannot get why this has any relevance to bbal and anything for this matter.
Nation or race is the last think I am interested to know about people.

You won't be saying this when Amare refuses to play on the sabbath or one of the important Jewish holidays. The Knicks are also going to have a post-game Kosher spread for him in the MSG dressing room.

Looks like you have some limited knowledge of Jewish traditions.
The main thing about all limitation that they all go to hell when some really important things are in the way.
Obviously there are some weird Jewish groups who take this all literally but idiots are of equal quantity on any nation.

eViL wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's nice to have another Jew around.
The only thing I cannot get why this has any relevance to bbal and anything for this matter.
Nation or race is the last think I am interested to know about people.

some people are only interested in the things that divide people.

some people, who are the most suspicious of others, and their motives, are the ones who, in their hearts and minds, are corrupt. so they don't trust that there is good in this world. they believe everyone is as false as they are. they live in a hell that they built for themselves unaware of the fact that they are wardens of their own mind-made prison.

Absolutely agree.
"Do not see intension behind other people mistakes" - this is one of my principals.
Even if I am sometimes wrong, what I am losing?
Thinking of people to be better that they are makes you live much more bright that opposite.

arkrud wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's nice to have another Jew around.
The only thing I cannot get why this has any relevance to bbal and anything for this matter.
Nation or race is the last think I am interested to know about people.

You won't be saying this when Amare refuses to play on the sabbath or one of the important Jewish holidays. The Knicks are also going to have a post-game Kosher spread for him in the MSG dressing room.

Looks like you have some limited knowledge of Jewish traditions.
The main thing about all limitation that they all go to hell when some really important things are in the way.
Obviously there are some weird Jewish groups who take this all literally but idiots are of equal quantity on any nation.

Just joking, though.

Didn't Sandy Koufax decide not to pitch on a holiday or other significant holiday? I know that Hank Greenberg, the great Detroit slugger from many years ago had some problems being Jewish at the time.

Don't think it will be an issue with Amare, though.

Roomate in college was pretty orthodox- used to use a timer to turn his lights on and off, and walk about 3 miles to the other campus on the Sabbath. He was also growing pot in our dorm window, and was constantly high, but that's another story.

Nalod wrote:Jews are not a race. Its a religion. Hitler used the "race" to gain momentum.

Ethiopia was once considered an alternative for a Jewish state instead of Israel.

If Lebrons found out Gloria was Jewish there would be a TV show. What should it be called?

Amares mother being Jewish has got to be a story unto itself.

"StaudemireStein"!

Didn't we just read Marbury turned down an offer to play in Israel?

This is true only in America.
Muslims are also treated as religious group in US but this is more of a culture that religion.
shia and suni are so different in their fate it is not even funny.
US culture is tending to simplify things, which is OK.
It is very good that we are all different. This makes world go around.
I am a Jew but I am atheist. There are converted Jews who now Christians... but they still are Jews.
Yes Jesus was Jew but he is also Christian... and god. Not a problem with me.

arkrud wrote:

Nalod wrote:Jews are not a race. Its a religion. Hitler used the "race" to gain momentum.

Ethiopia was once considered an alternative for a Jewish state instead of Israel.

If Lebrons found out Gloria was Jewish there would be a TV show. What should it be called?

Amares mother being Jewish has got to be a story unto itself.

"StaudemireStein"!

Didn't we just read Marbury turned down an offer to play in Israel?

This is true only in America.
Muslims are also treated as religious group in US but this is more of a culture that religion.
shia and suni are so different in their fate it is not even funny.
US culture is tending to simplify things, which is OK.
It is very good that we are all different. This makes world go around.
I am a Jew but I am atheist. There are converted Jews who now Christians... but they still are Jews.
Yes Jesus was Jew but he is also Christian... and god. Not a problem with me.

Jesus is A god, but not God Almighty. Jesus is the 1st born of all creation, meaning he was created and had a beginning. God has no beginning and no end. God created Jesus as the beginning of his creative works and thru Jesus who was an Angel he made everything else. That is why Jesus is called the only Begotten Son of God, cuz he was the only being created directly by God himself. Also that is why Jesus prayed to his "God and Father". When God said "Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26)he was talking to Jesus in his prehuman angelic form, tho he wasn't called Jesus then he was called Michael the Arch Angel.

More than half of the Jewish population of Israel is not white to begin with, as they are either Magreb (North African) or "Arab" Jews, along with Ethiopians.

Almost every West African country has a Jewish presence. Cameroon, Ghana, and Nigeria (google Ibo / Igbo Jews) are known to have communities recognized by the Orthodox.

firefly wrote:A few clarifications.

Pres, it is that simple. If your mothers was Jewish, you're Jewish. Period. We're not talking about conversions here. It's simple. The line follows the maternal side. Since Mary was Jewish, so was Jesus. We've always been happy to have him in the clan, we just debate his progression to something more.

Regarding conversions, yes it gets complex there and as you progress up to the more orthodox levels of Judaism, each level doesn't recognize the lower levels' version of conversion. Reform conversion boils down to "you wanna be Jewish? Got a check? Sweet, you're in". Conservative Judaism doesn't recognize that, and orthodox Judaism don't recognize conservative. It's about what each level believes is required to convert and it's very difficult to convert to orthodox Judaism and purposely so. We believe in purity of motive and it can be very very hard. Remember, judaisms the only religion who doesn't do missionary evangelicism. We're quite happy for people to live how they want, but if they want to join, I think they should be doing it for the right reasons.

Arkrud, I guess I'm one of the "weird" guys you mention. I do all the strange things Jews do, and if you led my life you would assume I was out of my mind. I don't see why that makes me an idiot or crazy. I'm pretty normal, I can have a normal conversation with anyone here and my interactions with others aren't and shouldn't be affected by my Jewishness at all. I don't force my opinions and beliefs on others, it's my life and I don't see why you can judge my private beliefs and call them weird.

I wouldn't imagine for one second that Amares Jewishness will make him want to live the orthodox way of life and I doubt that he's going to make a stink about playing on the Sabbath etc. Personally, if Amare stood up and said he didn't want to play on Yom Kippur I would be very very proud. Don't expect it to happen, but there is precedent in soccer, baseball and other sports.

I don't like it when people judge me or people like me because they don't understand the things I do. I'm more then happy to explain some of the curioser things I live my life by, and I'm also more then happy if noones interested. I don't tell others their way of life is weird, stupid or hypocritical and I expect the same courtesy from the world we live in today.

sorry, firefly, but it isn't. perhaps you are open to this, and others are, but not all.

i am a direct example of this dilemma, and i know others who share similar experiences.

my own father has told me directly to my face he does not consider me jewish, even after encouraging me to be bar mitzvahed via reform judaism (it was actually done in the basement of a lutheran church) after he changed from reform to orthodox later in his life.

either way, i was raised a mix of catholic-episcopalian-jewish as a child (i have also been confirmed in the catholic church).

of course, this baffled many more traditional folks (usually with a response, "you can't do that!")

PresIke wrote:

playa2 wrote:

PresIke wrote:

playa2 wrote:

According to Jewish law, if your mother is Jewish, then you, by definition are also Jewish.

it is a bit more complicated than this, because according to more strict versions of judaism (i.e. orthodox) female converts to less strict versions of judaism (i.e. reform), and her children will not be considered to be jewish.

So TELL Me Mary the mother of Jesus was in the davadic family line and that's how Jesus was Jewish, we all know her husband Joseph wasn't Jesus biological father. hmmm

good point, if i am getting what you mean.

hey, you're not going to get an argument out of me. if we go by "the record," technically jesus never stated he was christian, he claimed to be "the king of the jews" or the "messiah" which most jews never accepted, and are still waiting...

PreIke Yes we believe the same thing my friend. Jesus came and many didn't accept him, because they thought nothing good (let alone the messiah) could come from Nazareth.

well done my friend, well done.