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Kobe Bryant: “European Player Development Superior To That Of U.S.
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umynot
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7/28/2010  3:32 PM
America has the top 10 or so Players in the world for sure!!

Kobe Wade Melo Durant Bron Duncan Howard Paul Deron and a few others

But if you do top 20 you have to add bout 5 or six europeans

Dirk for sure is top 10

20 years ago you couldn't add 1 in top 50

So gap is closing quickly

Not an opinion but a FACT!!

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7/28/2010  3:40 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I agree with Kobe completely.

Fact: our best athletes play basketball or football

Fact: Europe's best athletes play soccer

Fact: European and other international teams can beat the American squads


The European system teaches fundamentals better. It is the only way to explain the increased quality of play when the American athletes are vastly superior

Europe's best Athletes are starting to choose between Soccer and Basketball ..... Fact

In Greece since 89 they have had 3 or 4 divisions of Basketball ..... Italy too

Now each division has 20 teams and first division more

Hoops everywhere

Easier to play basketball then gathering 11 for soccer

Everywhere I been to in Europe they have talent!!

Kids will bust some of your asses and at 12 already fundamentally sound!

Rocking Jordans and Melo's and killer cross overs!!

I say Rubio is top 3 PG in the world

Would prefer even over Paul honestly!!

Gap is closing!!.....

Europeans and the rest of the World is catching up

USA team will not win gold in world games is my guess!!

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7/28/2010  4:04 PM
If kobe is so concern about international players being better then there US counter part, why isn't he playing, or any other gold metal winner...


There is a pretty big basketball tournament coming up next month in Turkey. It’s called the World Championships which, in just about every country not named the USA, is considered to be the creme de la creme of international competition.

The winner of the tournament earns an automatic berth in the 2012 Olympics in London. Twenty-four teams are competing and USA Basketball is once again assembling a talented team to compete. But is it a team that can win?

Taking a glance at the roster offers a revealing look into the relative importance of the Worlds in the USA. Not a single player from the gold-medal winning 2008 team from Beijing is competing in Turkey, even though the players were all supposed to sign on for such commitments.

There is no LeBron, Kobe, D-Wade or Melo. There isn’t even a CP3 or a Deron Williams. There is no Dwight Howard or Chris Bosh. All that remains from Beijing (and, two years before, the Worlds in Japan) is the coaching staff led by Duke’s Mike Krzyzewski and the overseer himself, Jerry Colangelo.

The United States team just completed a training camp in Las Vegas and will hold another, week-long camp in New York, before heading across the pond. Colangelo said the Yanks will likely take 15 players to Europe, although only 12 can be on the final, official roster.

The aforementioned NBA stars are not the only A-listers skipping the tournament. Pau Gasol will not be competing for the defending champs from Spain. Manu Ginobili will not be playing for Argentina, currently the No. 1 team on the planet according to FIBA’s world rankings. (The USA is No. 2 and Spain is No. 3.) Dirk Nowitzki is declining to play for Germany, although he said would play next summer in hopes of helping his country qualify for London.

This is the fifth World Championships to be held in which NBA players could compete. In the United States, there seems to be an Olympics uber alles philosophy, where we try to deliver our best for that quadrennial competition even though most see the Worlds as a more competitive and legitimate competition.

In only two of the previous four world championships has the United States sent its A Team, or even something approximating an A-Team. Maybe that’s why the country is still looking for its first gold in 16 years.

In 1994, in Canada, the U.S. was two years removed from the Michael/Magic/Larry Dream Team and none of the 1992ers participated. (Once again, showing our Olympic bias, five Dream Teamers played on the 1996 Olympic Team: Charles Barkley, Scottie Pippen, Karl Malone, John Stockton and David Robinson.) But the U.S. was still miles ahead of the internationals at that point and easily won the gold. The one notable event in that tournament was that coach Don Nelson had to call the first “stop-the-bleeding” timeout since NBA players were allowed to play. Chuck Daly never had to do that in 1992.

The other time the U.S. sent a stacked contingent was in 2006. But even with a lineup headed by LeBron, D-Wade, Melo, CP3 and Howard, the U.S. team was upset in the semifinals by Greece and had to settle for the bronze medal. In 1998, with the NBA locking out its players, the country sent an eclectic group to Greece composed of CBA players, internationals and a couple just-graduated collegians, the most notable being Brad Miller. It finished third. And who can forget the disastrous 2002 tournament in Indianapolis, when Team USA lost for the first time with NBA players (to Argentina) and then proceeded to lose twice more to finish a humbling sixth?

So can this year’s team, led by Derrick Rose and Kevin Durant, come back from Turkey with the gold? It could be a struggle. The roster appears to be short on ‘bigs,’ with Tyson Chandler appearing to be the No. 1 center candidate. They are deep at point guard with Rajon Rondo, Russell Westbrook and Rose. Durant is Durant and will get scoring help from Rose, Rudy Gay and old friend Chauncey Billups, the eminence grise of the team.

But can it make a serious run at the gold against the solid international teams who have had years of experience playing together and who are more comfortable with the international game. Spain may be missing Gasol, but they didn’t have him for the 2006 championship game in Japan and won. Most of the other big-timers from Spain are on the roster, including Ricky Rubio, Juan Carlos Navarro and Marc Gasol. Jorge Garbajosa and Rudy Fernandez also plan to play for Spain as does the Raptors’ Jose Calderon. Argentina won’t have Ginobili, but its roster includes the estimable Luis Scola, Fabricio Oberto, Andres Nocioni and Carlos Delfino.

Serbia is regrouping after some down years. Lithuania is always competitive and France’s roster has six NBA players, though it’s unknown how many will actually play. (Joakim Noah is on the French roster. Tony Parker is not competing.)

No one needs to remind Colangelo or Coach K that the days where the Americans could simply roll out a group of NBA players and expect to win are long gone. That ended in 2002. And until the U.S. takes the Worlds as seriously as everyone else, or as seriously as it takes the Olympics, it will have trouble in the tournament.

One reason the U.S. hasn’t won gold at the Worlds since 1994 is that the competition has dramatically improved. Another one is that it hasn’t always sent its best and, nowadays, you need your best because the world has caught up.

Read more: http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/2010/07/28/world-beaters/#ixzz0v0chCtqp

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7/28/2010  4:08 PM
i think you guys are buggin about lebron.

when he and wade destroy the league and go fo', fo', fo' and fo' i'll be sure to come back here and laugh at y'all.

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7/28/2010  4:12 PM
Marv wrote:i think you guys are buggin about lebron.

when he and wade destroy the league and go fo', fo', fo' and fo' i'll be sure to come back here and laugh at y'all.

Hmmm...sounding a bit like Playa...yup.

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7/28/2010  4:14 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
Marv wrote:i think you guys are buggin about lebron.

when he and wade destroy the league and go fo', fo', fo' and fo' i'll be sure to come back here and laugh at y'all.

Hmmm...sounding a bit like Playa...yup.

even playa is right 1% of the time.

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7/28/2010  4:18 PM
Good points umynot. Ain't seen much Euro ball but I bet it's entertaining, the NBA doesn't have the lock on this.

There's a reason why dudes from the U.S. can make bank abroad: because they take their basketball serious over there. I hope has got a pipeline to some minds out there, in terms of the Knicks.

I've heard in Europe kids don't really have to go to school past 15-16, and when they are in school, they are in these serious sports academies. They basically are taking AP level basketball classes in the gym and in the classroom, watching tape of the Princeton offense and whatnot.

So we do it more in the undergraduate environment vs. an academy-to-pro, but we are seeing a lot of "diaper dandies" who have a shot at the HOF simply by having a longer chance at it. Maybe they should start airing some Johnny Bench-style kids show. Bobbito's Basics to Boogie made into a Saturday morning show on MSG!

But a better minor league system would be great. Because having the D-League (where's the C & B league?) owned by the major league teams won't ever really want to encourage competition to their core product.

I know the old "European fundamentally sound" line but I don't know honestly, because I've never seen major league ball out there.

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7/28/2010  4:22 PM
its THE WORLD vs USA! The numbers are against us, there are more players.

Could a World Allstar team beat a US only team?

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7/28/2010  6:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/28/2010  6:15 PM
Marv wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
Marv wrote:i think you guys are buggin about lebron.

when he and wade destroy the league and go fo', fo', fo' and fo' i'll be sure to come back here and laugh at y'all.

Hmmm...sounding a bit like Playa...yup.

even playa is right 1% of the time.

This is why I have to make these kind of threads to show the heartfelt envy that many SECRETLY desire Euro's take over and dominate the USA's NBA. including David "the don" Stern

So many think USA BEST PLAYERS ARE LESS INTELLIGENT than euro players and that's not true, they just play a different style or brand of basketball.

This kind of false hope and envy makes me believe more than ever that many casual college USA basketball fans and NBA fans here really want to happen and see, just to promote the college game more by demanding kids have to stay in college longer.

The reason why euros don't come over here and become like Lebron is because they don't possessTHE TOTAL PACKAGE! Dirk even though he has made multiple all-star teams and has got better every year he's still missing something !

The international players have the time to study how we play our brand of basketball over here in the USA along with their coaches , but notice our players don't study them just our coaches until the U.S players actual play them.

They want to try and attack the NBA with international style of play by playing by their own rules just to try and make things competitive against USA talent. This is why the great Tim Duncan vehemently opposed and said he doesn't want to play international ball ever again !


The international teams play and spend more time together and have more chemistry, so when they compete against a U.S squad that has individual players competing from different teams who just finished a grueling 82 game season including the playoffs what team is more at an advantage ? Euros and still lose against us.

As long as the NBA assembles their best players and assemble them as a team and give them enough time to prepare and practice together and assemble the "RIGHT" coaching staff, the international teams don't have a chance at all we will continue to win because we have players who possess"THE TOTAL PACKAGE.

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7/28/2010  6:20 PM
playa, seek help.
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7/28/2010  6:49 PM
Panos wrote:playa, seek help.

A different perspective makes you uncomfortable huh?

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7/28/2010  6:51 PM
playa2 wrote:
Panos wrote:playa, seek help.

A different perspective makes you uncomfortable huh?

theres a difference between 'different perspective' and stupidity. i believe you fall into the later most times.

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7/28/2010  7:32 PM
playa2 wrote:
Marv wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
Marv wrote:i think you guys are buggin about lebron.

when he and wade destroy the league and go fo', fo', fo' and fo' i'll be sure to come back here and laugh at y'all.

Hmmm...sounding a bit like Playa...yup.

even playa is right 1% of the time.

This is why I have to make these kind of threads to show the heartfelt envy that many SECRETLY desire Euro's take over and dominate the USA's NBA. including David "the don" Stern

So many think USA BEST PLAYERS ARE LESS INTELLIGENT than euro players and that's not true, they just play a different style or brand of basketball.

This kind of false hope and envy makes me believe more than ever that many casual college USA basketball fans and NBA fans here really want to happen and see, just to promote the college game more by demanding kids have to stay in college longer.

The reason why euros don't come over here and become like Lebron is because they don't possessTHE TOTAL PACKAGE! Dirk even though he has made multiple all-star teams and has got better every year he's still missing something !

The international players have the time to study how we play our brand of basketball over here in the USA along with their coaches , but notice our players don't study them just our coaches until the U.S players actual play them.

They want to try and attack the NBA with international style of play by playing by their own rules just to try and make things competitive against USA talent. This is why the great Tim Duncan vehemently opposed and said he doesn't want to play international ball ever again !


The international teams play and spend more time together and have more chemistry, so when they compete against a U.S squad that has individual players competing from different teams who just finished a grueling 82 game season including the playoffs what team is more at an advantage ? Euros and still lose against us.

As long as the NBA assembles their best players and assemble them as a team and give them enough time to prepare and practice together and assemble the "RIGHT" coaching staff, the international teams don't have a chance at all we will continue to win because we have players who possess"THE TOTAL PACKAGE.

well playa, I don't completely dissagree with your post, but I do agree with some points.. I do remember tim duncan being very frustrated and vowing never to play international ball again.. I keep hearing the gap is closing, and although that may be true to some degree, the gap is still a bit further than most seem to admit..

A huge difference now, that I am seeing is that a lot of "secondary" stars in the NBA are getting better.. for instance, we won't be sending over our very best, but sending a team with guys like durant, rose, lee, etc is still more talented than any euro team that will grace the hardwood..

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7/28/2010  8:34 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Panos wrote:playa, seek help.

A different perspective makes you uncomfortable huh?

theres a difference between 'different perspective' and stupidity. i believe you fall into the later most times.

What is your problem man

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playa2 wrote:
Panos wrote:playa, seek help.

A different perspective makes you uncomfortable huh?


Yeah, uncomfortable like when you're at a wedding and your 250 lb great aunt decides to show everybody her "moves" on the dance floor all night long. Exactly like that.

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7/28/2010  9:00 PM
Panos wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Panos wrote:playa, seek help.

A different perspective makes you uncomfortable huh?


Yeah, uncomfortable like when you're at a wedding and your 250 lb great aunt decides to show everybody her "moves" on the dance floor all night long. Exactly like that.


My post wasn't embarrassing to me, maybe to you because that 250lb woman could dance better than the 130lb women attending the wedding party.
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playa2 wrote:
Panos wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Panos wrote:playa, seek help.

A different perspective makes you uncomfortable huh?


Yeah, uncomfortable like when you're at a wedding and your 250 lb great aunt decides to show everybody her "moves" on the dance floor all night long. Exactly like that.


My post wasn't embarrassing to me, maybe to you because that 250lb woman could dance better than the 130lb women attending the wedding party.


Funny, one's aunt usually isn't embarassed either, and also thinks she danced better than the young skinny girls.

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7/28/2010  10:16 PM
Panos wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Panos wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Panos wrote:playa, seek help.

A different perspective makes you uncomfortable huh?


Yeah, uncomfortable like when you're at a wedding and your 250 lb great aunt decides to show everybody her "moves" on the dance floor all night long. Exactly like that.


My post wasn't embarrassing to me, maybe to you because that 250lb woman could dance better than the 130lb women attending the wedding party.


Funny, one's aunt usually isn't embarassed either, and also thinks she danced better than the young skinny girls.

+1

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7/29/2010  7:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/29/2010  7:53 AM
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Marv wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
Marv wrote:i think you guys are buggin about lebron.

when he and wade destroy the league and go fo', fo', fo' and fo' i'll be sure to come back here and laugh at y'all.

Hmmm...sounding a bit like Playa...yup.

even playa is right 1% of the time.

This is why I have to make these kind of threads to show the heartfelt envy that many SECRETLY desire Euro's take over and dominate the USA's NBA. including David "the don" Stern

So many think USA BEST PLAYERS ARE LESS INTELLIGENT than euro players and that's not true, they just play a different style or brand of basketball.

This kind of false hope and envy makes me believe more than ever that many casual college USA basketball fans and NBA fans here really want to happen and see, just to promote the college game more by demanding kids have to stay in college longer.

The reason why euros don't come over here and become like Lebron is because they don't possessTHE TOTAL PACKAGE! Dirk even though he has made multiple all-star teams and has got better every year he's still missing something !

The international players have the time to study how we play our brand of basketball over here in the USA along with their coaches , but notice our players don't study them just our coaches until the U.S players actual play them.

They want to try and attack the NBA with international style of play by playing by their own rules just to try and make things competitive against USA talent. This is why the great Tim Duncan vehemently opposed and said he doesn't want to play international ball ever again !


The international teams play and spend more time together and have more chemistry, so when they compete against a U.S squad that has individual players competing from different teams who just finished a grueling 82 game season including the playoffs what team is more at an advantage ? Euros and still lose against us.

As long as the NBA assembles their best players and assemble them as a team and give them enough time to prepare and practice together and assemble the "RIGHT" coaching staff, the international teams don't have a chance at all we will continue to win because we have players who possess"THE TOTAL PACKAGE.

well playa, I don't completely dissagree with your post, but I do agree with some points.. I do remember tim duncan being very frustrated and vowing never to play international ball again.. I keep hearing the gap is closing, and although that may be true to some degree, the gap is still a bit further than most seem to admit..

A huge difference now, that I am seeing is that a lot of "secondary" stars in the NBA are getting better.. for instance, we won't be sending over our very best, but sending a team with guys like durant, rose, lee, etc is still more talented than any euro team that will grace the hardwood..

TFK this is what I have noticed over the years, but 1st realized this with the 1992 dream team, they can't touch the USA

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playa2 wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Marv wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
Marv wrote:i think you guys are buggin about lebron.

when he and wade destroy the league and go fo', fo', fo' and fo' i'll be sure to come back here and laugh at y'all.

Hmmm...sounding a bit like Playa...yup.

even playa is right 1% of the time.

This is why I have to make these kind of threads to show the heartfelt envy that many SECRETLY desire Euro's take over and dominate the USA's NBA. including David "the don" Stern

So many think USA BEST PLAYERS ARE LESS INTELLIGENT than euro players and that's not true, they just play a different style or brand of basketball.

This kind of false hope and envy makes me believe more than ever that many casual college USA basketball fans and NBA fans here really want to happen and see, just to promote the college game more by demanding kids have to stay in college longer.

The reason why euros don't come over here and become like Lebron is because they don't possessTHE TOTAL PACKAGE! Dirk even though he has made multiple all-star teams and has got better every year he's still missing something !

The international players have the time to study how we play our brand of basketball over here in the USA along with their coaches , but notice our players don't study them just our coaches until the U.S players actual play them.

They want to try and attack the NBA with international style of play by playing by their own rules just to try and make things competitive against USA talent. This is why the great Tim Duncan vehemently opposed and said he doesn't want to play international ball ever again !


The international teams play and spend more time together and have more chemistry, so when they compete against a U.S squad that has individual players competing from different teams who just finished a grueling 82 game season including the playoffs what team is more at an advantage ? Euros and still lose against us.

As long as the NBA assembles their best players and assemble them as a team and give them enough time to prepare and practice together and assemble the "RIGHT" coaching staff, the international teams don't have a chance at all we will continue to win because we have players who possess"THE TOTAL PACKAGE.

well playa, I don't completely dissagree with your post, but I do agree with some points.. I do remember tim duncan being very frustrated and vowing never to play international ball again.. I keep hearing the gap is closing, and although that may be true to some degree, the gap is still a bit further than most seem to admit..

A huge difference now, that I am seeing is that a lot of "secondary" stars in the NBA are getting better.. for instance, we won't be sending over our very best, but sending a team with guys like durant, rose, lee, etc is still more talented than any euro team that will grace the hardwood..

TFK this is what I have noticed over the years, but 1st realized this with the 1992 dream team, they can't touch the USA

yea, plus the USA learned, that you have to send more balanced talent over there... that is why you see guys like david lee possibly making the team... but make no doubt about it, there will not be a team in this tournament that can do a thing with guys like derrick rose and durant....

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