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7/26/2010  12:47 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
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CrushAlot wrote:Amare and Felton. I think if you go with tri captains Turiaf or Chandler should be considered.

Chandler? Odd choice


Why?

Chandler will give you a good effort, but is not the type of player to be vocal on the court or get in a guy's face to motivate someone or tell them what they should have done. Just doesn't seem to be part of his make-up at this time in his career.

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7/26/2010  12:50 PM
Cap'n Zeke, of course.
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7/26/2010  12:52 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Amare and Felton. I think if you go with tri captains Turiaf or Chandler should be considered.

Chandler? Odd choice


Why?

He doesn't lead by example and is quiet.

Why would you want him as captain? What qualities are you looking for?

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7/26/2010  12:54 PM
Whoever has seniority.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/26/2010  12:56 PM
kam77 wrote:Whoever has seniority.

Curry?

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7/26/2010  12:58 PM
martin wrote:
kam77 wrote:Whoever has seniority.

Curry?

There you go.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/26/2010  1:00 PM
martin wrote:
kam77 wrote:Whoever has seniority.

Curry?

Curry? Only captin Curry be is "Captain Crunch"!

Let the players vote the captain. Dude who demonstrates the leadership within the group. The Dude who they gravitate to.

My guess is Felton is that guy.

Its not the "Stat" guy or the money guy. Its the guy they trust. If Amare is that guy fine if not, then who can get in Amares face when they need to and he responds?

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7/26/2010  1:08 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Amare and Felton. I think if you go with tri captains Turiaf or Chandler should be considered.

Chandler? Odd choice


Why?

Chandler will give you a good effort, but is not the type of player to be vocal on the court or get in a guy's face to motivate someone or tell them what they should have done. Just doesn't seem to be part of his make-up at this time in his career.

Who's face does Jeter ever get in? H20 was captain and he wasn't much of the vocal type either. Chandler is the wise choice for Captain it can only enhance his standing on the team to be more vocal and when the quiet one speaks most listen to what he has to say.

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7/26/2010  1:30 PM
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kam77 wrote:Whoever has seniority.

Curry?


I hear he's matured a great deal while being on the run from the law. How many other players on the Knicks would have the guts to take on the "man" like he did?

This just might be his year to emerge as a leader.

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7/26/2010  1:57 PM
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Who's face does Jeter ever get in? H20 was captain and he wasn't much of the vocal type either. Chandler is the wise choice for Captain it can only enhance his standing on the team to be more vocal and when the quiet one speaks most listen to what he has to say.

Baseball is not that kind of game, and I don't necessarily mean yelling at a teammate on the court. (I have images of Bird, Magic, Jordan, and even Kobe going over to teammates and talking to them about what was happening on the court vs what should be happening.) None of us are ever in those huddles on the mound to hear what is going on. Basketball has nothing comparable to the dugout, either- where a leader can do things pretty much out of sight from spectators. I find him to be one of the most boring players in the professional sports, to be honest- you learn nothing from his interviews, but he stays clean, doesn't say anything to provoke, does everything right on the field, and you know he is an influence behind the scenes.

I remember the Mets beating Houston in the 1986 playoffs, and Keith Hernandez went out to speak on the mound- this is from an article in 2006:

Thorne (an announcer) prodded Gary Carter and Keith Hernandez to discuss ''clearly an interesting discussion'' on the mound in the 16th inning of the epic sixth game in Houston, after both teams had staged electrifying rallies.

Legend has it that Hernandez bluntly warned Carter not to call for Jesse Orosco to throw any fastballs to Kevin Bass. Well, it's more than legend. In the Champagne-soaked clubhouse, Hernandez told reporters, ''I said, 'Kid, if you call another fastball, I'm going to come to home plate and we're going to have to fight.' '' Hernandez added, ''Kid told me, 'We're not going to fight.' ''

Orosco, who was not present on Tuesday, was virtually absent in the winning clubhouse in 1986, telling us he could not remember a thing. Wise decision. Hernandez has long since realized he would never have spoken so bluntly to a future Hall of Fame catcher like Kid Carter.

''I didn't say it to Gary,'' Hernandez told Thorne and a banquet hall full of fans. ''I did say it to Jesse. Jesse had nothing left on his fastball. I said, 'If you throw a fastball, I'll knock you on your fanny,' but I said it mostly for comic relief.''

Carter, asked for his version, replied: ''I don't remember Keith saying anything to me. If he had, I would have said, 'Here's the catching gear.' But he's the leader out there. If he said something to Jesse, so be it. We went to the World Series.'' And Carter laughed out loud.

That is what I mean by leadership.

Just don't think that Chandler has leadership ability, or even wants to be a leader. Being a leader puts a lot on your shoulders. I was a solid HS athlete, but I had no pretensions of being a leader, and never wanted the responsibility. It is not something that any person can do. Not a criticism...just a fact.

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7/26/2010  2:10 PM
Vmart wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Amare and Felton. I think if you go with tri captains Turiaf or Chandler should be considered.

Chandler? Odd choice


Why?

Chandler will give you a good effort, but is not the type of player to be vocal on the court or get in a guy's face to motivate someone or tell them what they should have done. Just doesn't seem to be part of his make-up at this time in his career.

Who's face does Jeter ever get in? H20 was captain and he wasn't much of the vocal type either. Chandler is the wise choice for Captain it can only enhance his standing on the team to be more vocal and when the quiet one speaks most listen to what he has to say.

Leadership is earned not doled out. What you are describing is bazaroo world.

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7/26/2010  2:19 PM
I say Amare for sure

But Gallo over Felton just cause I believe Gallo can be a real vocal
leader

On court all of last year he was telling players were they needed to be
(No one listened because most were bums)

He is smart and passionate and if respected could be a great C on this team!!

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7/26/2010  2:39 PM
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Amare and Felton. I think if you go with tri captains Turiaf or Chandler should be considered.

Chandler? Odd choice


Why?

Chandler will give you a good effort, but is not the type of player to be vocal on the court or get in a guy's face to motivate someone or tell them what they should have done. Just doesn't seem to be part of his make-up at this time in his career.

Who's face does Jeter ever get in? H20 was captain and he wasn't much of the vocal type either. Chandler is the wise choice for Captain it can only enhance his standing on the team to be more vocal and when the quiet one speaks most listen to what he has to say.

Leadership is earned not doled out. What you are describing is bazaroo world.

This philosophy seems to be working ok in San Antonio where Tim Duncan is the captain. I don't think being demonstrative in your actions on the court makes you a leader just as being quiet and controlled doesn't make you not a leader. Chandler is the longest tenured returning Knick other than Curry and the most accomplished. He is known for having a very good work ethic. I think if you are choosing captains he should be in the conversation.
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7/26/2010  2:40 PM
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7/26/2010  2:46 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Amare and Felton. I think if you go with tri captains Turiaf or Chandler should be considered.

Chandler? Odd choice


Why?

Chandler will give you a good effort, but is not the type of player to be vocal on the court or get in a guy's face to motivate someone or tell them what they should have done. Just doesn't seem to be part of his make-up at this time in his career.

Who's face does Jeter ever get in? H20 was captain and he wasn't much of the vocal type either. Chandler is the wise choice for Captain it can only enhance his standing on the team to be more vocal and when the quiet one speaks most listen to what he has to say.

Leadership is earned not doled out. What you are describing is bazaroo world.

This philosophy seems to be working ok in San Antonio where Tim Duncan is the captain. I don't think being demonstrative in your actions on the court makes you a leader just as being quiet and controlled doesn't make you not a leader. Chandler is the longest tenured returning Knick other than Curry and the most accomplished. He is known for having a very good work ethic. I think if you are choosing captains he should be in the conversation.

did you just compare Duncan who leads his team to multiple championships to Chandler?

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7/26/2010  2:50 PM
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Amare and Felton. I think if you go with tri captains Turiaf or Chandler should be considered.

Chandler? Odd choice


Why?

Chandler will give you a good effort, but is not the type of player to be vocal on the court or get in a guy's face to motivate someone or tell them what they should have done. Just doesn't seem to be part of his make-up at this time in his career.

Who's face does Jeter ever get in? H20 was captain and he wasn't much of the vocal type either. Chandler is the wise choice for Captain it can only enhance his standing on the team to be more vocal and when the quiet one speaks most listen to what he has to say.

Leadership is earned not doled out. What you are describing is bazaroo world.

This philosophy seems to be working ok in San Antonio where Tim Duncan is the captain. I don't think being demonstrative in your actions on the court makes you a leader just as being quiet and controlled doesn't make you not a leader. Chandler is the longest tenured returning Knick other than Curry and the most accomplished. He is known for having a very good work ethic. I think if you are choosing captains he should be in the conversation.

did you just compare Duncan who leads his team to multiple championships to Chandler?

Weber to Kaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhn: "Darko and me shouldn't be in the same sentence."


I compared their on court demeanor and I am pretty sure you are aware of that. The guys I suggested for captain were Felton and Amare. I said if you had tri-captains Chandler and Turiaf should be considered. Who would you replace Chandler with on that list? I don't think considering him is ridiculous at all.
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7/26/2010  2:58 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Amare and Felton. I think if you go with tri captains Turiaf or Chandler should be considered.

Chandler? Odd choice


Why?

Chandler will give you a good effort, but is not the type of player to be vocal on the court or get in a guy's face to motivate someone or tell them what they should have done. Just doesn't seem to be part of his make-up at this time in his career.

Who's face does Jeter ever get in? H20 was captain and he wasn't much of the vocal type either. Chandler is the wise choice for Captain it can only enhance his standing on the team to be more vocal and when the quiet one speaks most listen to what he has to say.

Leadership is earned not doled out. What you are describing is bazaroo world.

This philosophy seems to be working ok in San Antonio where Tim Duncan is the captain. I don't think being demonstrative in your actions on the court makes you a leader just as being quiet and controlled doesn't make you not a leader. Chandler is the longest tenured returning Knick other than Curry and the most accomplished. He is known for having a very good work ethic. I think if you are choosing captains he should be in the conversation.

did you just compare Duncan who leads his team to multiple championships to Chandler?

Weber to Kaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhn: "Darko and me shouldn't be in the same sentence."


I compared their on court demeanor and I am pretty sure you are aware of that. The guys I suggested for captain were Felton and Amare. I said if you had tri-captains Chandler and Turiaf should be considered. Who would you replace Chandler with on that list? I don't think considering him is ridiculous at all.

To me being a captain is being a leader. Picking out a random characteristic of 2 players that may be similar has nothing to do with being a leader.

They are also both right-handed, does that qualify Chandler? You get my point.

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7/26/2010  3:01 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
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did you just compare Duncan who leads his team to multiple championships to Chandler?

Weber to Kaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhn: "Darko and me shouldn't be in the same sentence."


I compared their on court demeanor and I am pretty sure you are aware of that. The guys I suggested for captain were Felton and Amare. I said if you had tri-captains Chandler and Turiaf should be considered. Who would you replace Chandler with on that list? I don't think considering him is ridiculous at all.

He very possibly did- but he had the opening to do the Kahn thing...and he did.

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7/26/2010  3:07 PM

I think getting busted for weed does not make you anywhere near captain material.

You have to lead your team on and off the court.

I don't know if anyone has those qualifications yet until the season starts.

Only Amare and Felton have enough experience for consideration. Felton was the floor leader for a NCAA division one championship team!

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7/26/2010  3:52 PM
Vmart wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Amare and Felton. I think if you go with tri captains Turiaf or Chandler should be considered.

Chandler? Odd choice


Why?

Chandler will give you a good effort, but is not the type of player to be vocal on the court or get in a guy's face to motivate someone or tell them what they should have done. Just doesn't seem to be part of his make-up at this time in his career.

Who's face does Jeter ever get in? H20 was captain and he wasn't much of the vocal type either. Chandler is the wise choice for Captain it can only enhance his standing on the team to be more vocal and when the quiet one speaks most listen to what he has to say.


The title of captain should not be to "enhance one's standing on the team."
You're putting the cart before the horse. The leader needs to be respected on his own. People don't respect you just because you have a title, it just brings the title down.
I don't think you give a captain title to someone who may or may not even have a starting position on this team.
There may be cases where you have a seasoned vet that's been thru the war and can lead, but this isn't one of them.

Same goes for Gallo. Duke needs to earn his stripes.

I say Stat gets the nod, or as someone said, no one for the time being.

Who should be captain(s) of this team?

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