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BRIGGS
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7/23/2010  5:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  5:41 PM
TMS wrote:i honestly can't believe some guys are hedging on acquiring a superstar player because of who we MIGHT be able to sign next year... people are willing to throw away young assets to clear cap space but they won't part with young assets to acquire 1 of the best PG's in the game... it's some serious insanity going on up in here.

TMS--Im offering you Chris Paul Songalia Aaron Gray for Gallo AR Fields Douglas Chandler Curry a future 1 and both GS 2's--will you take it--that is the deal nothing less.

RIP Crushalot😞
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simrud
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7/23/2010  6:02 PM
I am with BRIGGS here. Can't give up cap space and all our assets for Paul. This is a Marbury V 2.0 scenario almost.

Let's for once have a team that makes sense.

Let some other team gut itself for Paul to have him walk away to free agency the next year.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/23/2010  6:08 PM
crzymdups wrote:
NYK3 wrote:I'm still on board, give me Emeka and CP3 and I am one happy camper. I cant believe some are actually against adding a SUPERSTAR PG, its unreal to me. We have been waiting YEARS UPON YEARS for a GREAT PG to lead us.

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people said the same thing about marbury...

Marbury was a Superstar. He was doing great when he arrived with the Knicks. We were the same people calling him a superstar when he was dropping 46pts 17 assists in a game. With that said Paul and Marbury's personalities are totally different.
BRIGGS
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7/23/2010  6:34 PM
simrud wrote:I am with BRIGGS here. Can't give up cap space and all our assets for Paul. This is a Marbury V 2.0 scenario almost.

Let's for once have a team that makes sense.

Let some other team gut itself for Paul to have him walk away to free agency the next year.

Teams win games---

RIP Crushalot😞
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7/23/2010  6:39 PM
Anyone who wants CP3: think about the money. We already have 100 mil committed with Amare. On the other hand, Randolph and Gallo are very, very cheap and if they grow here then they will stay here when they become great players. They'll sign for less here than elsewhere if we have good team chemistry and win.
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7/23/2010  6:50 PM
The idea of accepting this kind of deal is if it's COST is worth it. Not just adding a Superstar. Who exactly would we have left and how do we build a team with no cap space? I'm only saying we need to see what kind of realistic deal can be made, cuz giving up every last young player we have for one guy seems drastic.
kam77
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7/23/2010  6:59 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:i honestly can't believe some guys are hedging on acquiring a superstar player because of who we MIGHT be able to sign next year... people are willing to throw away young assets to clear cap space but they won't part with young assets to acquire 1 of the best PG's in the game... it's some serious insanity going on up in here.

TMS--Im offering you Chris Paul Songalia Aaron Gray for Gallo AR Fields Douglas Chandler Curry a future 1 and both GS 2's--will you take it--that is the deal nothing less.

That is a ridiculous price to pay. I don't believe it will be that high.

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Besides, the package is Ok4+CP3.

Okafor is 13/10 with 2 blocks and will do the dirty work next to Amare.

Okafor and Paul for Gallo+assets is getting 2 starters for one (I don't consider WC a worthy backcourt starter).

And after the deal is done, we will have Felton as a trade piece on a very friendly contract to use to get more help.

Paul
SG
SF
Amare
Okafor

Is a top 4 squad in the EAST.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
crzymdups
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7/23/2010  7:09 PM
kam77 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:i honestly can't believe some guys are hedging on acquiring a superstar player because of who we MIGHT be able to sign next year... people are willing to throw away young assets to clear cap space but they won't part with young assets to acquire 1 of the best PG's in the game... it's some serious insanity going on up in here.

TMS--Im offering you Chris Paul Songalia Aaron Gray for Gallo AR Fields Douglas Chandler Curry a future 1 and both GS 2's--will you take it--that is the deal nothing less.

That is a ridiculous price to pay. I don't believe it will be that high.

---
Besides, the package is Ok4+CP3.

Okafor is 13/10 with 2 blocks and will do the dirty work next to Amare.

Okafor and Paul for Gallo+assets is getting 2 starters for one (I don't consider WC a worthy backcourt starter).

And after the deal is done, we will have Felton as a trade piece on a very friendly contract to use to get more help.

Paul
SG
SF
Amare
Okafor

Is a top 4 squad in the EAST.

Miami, Orlando, Boston, Chicago - which team are we better than from that group?

¿ △ ?
Ray15
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7/23/2010  7:22 PM
The great part about this is we likely can't put a package together until December 15. It allows us to determine if CP3 is healthy and also gauge the talent level on our roster.

If Chris Paul is healthy and assuming Felton does not start putting up 16 and 10, I would offer Felton, Curry, Chandler, Turiaf, $3M in cash and a future draft pick for CP3 and Okafor. We keep our young stars and maintain cap flexibility while adding the top point guard in the league. New Orleans saves a ton of money and can rebuild from the ground up - not many other teams that CP3 wants to play for can offer NO this amount of savings.

If New Orleans doesn't take it, I walk away and make the playoffs with my current team.

As a former Tar Heel, let me add that I think Felton is going to explode in this offense and we won't be looking to trade him come December.

Defense and Toughness
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7/23/2010  7:51 PM
i think the knicks have a pretty nice roster now. felton is intriguing, and may be good enough to make paul a moot point. my only concern is that there's no one who can guard centers and small forwards. but there are really very few centers with a game to worry about. melo might be a perfect fit and the one that can put the knicks over the top. i'd ignore paul unless he falls into the knicks lap. and go after melo and maybe an inexpensive upgrade at two guard if there's one out there. (rudy?).
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7/23/2010  8:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  8:01 PM
Randolph, Chandler, Turiaf, Azubuike, and Curry

for

Paul/Okafor

Still works under the trade rules. Probably need to throw in our 2014 1st round pick, and one or both of Golden State's 2nd rounders. Anyone opposed to such a deal is either a total Randolph homer, or seriously overrating Felton.

Paul/Douglas
(SG in a Felton trade?)/Walker/Fields
Gallo/Fields
Amare
Okafor/Mozgov

We'd lack serious frontcourt depth, but that starting 4 is the framework of a contender.
TMS
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7/23/2010  8:46 PM
Solace wrote:
TMS wrote:i honestly can't believe some guys are hedging on acquiring a superstar player because of who we MIGHT be able to sign next year... people are willing to throw away young assets to clear cap space but they won't part with young assets to acquire 1 of the best PG's in the game... it's some serious insanity going on up in here.

Sorry, but that's an over-simplication that I don't think is actually accurate. The main point is Okafor's contract removing all flexibility. Okafor reduces the value of the trade, for our situation, IMHO. Chris Paul is great, but if he's got nobody left to play with, we're not in good shape. I think most people are willing to give either future stars (Gallinari/AR) or cap space, just not both in the same trade. Now, if they take Eddy Curry + Azubuike + Chandler + Turiaf for Paul and Okafor, I don't think anyone would mind not getting Carmelo. To give $12+ million in cap flexibility, Gallinari, and two other young players would be insanity.

oh God, just forget about Melo next summer & go out & get CP3 now... it's a no brainer... you can still build a championship contending roster around CP3, Amare, Gallo, OK4 & role players... how is that having no one left to play with? those are 4 very good players right there... i don't remember saying i'd give up both Gallo & AR, so not sure why you & BRIGGS keeps inserting that into the conversation here... i don't believe the Knicks would give up both those kids either.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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7/23/2010  8:47 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:i honestly can't believe some guys are hedging on acquiring a superstar player because of who we MIGHT be able to sign next year... people are willing to throw away young assets to clear cap space but they won't part with young assets to acquire 1 of the best PG's in the game... it's some serious insanity going on up in here.

TMS--Im offering you Chris Paul Songalia Aaron Gray for Gallo AR Fields Douglas Chandler Curry a future 1 and both GS 2's--will you take it--that is the deal nothing less.

no, i don't make that trade if i'm the Knicks... since when were you informed that that was the minimum package it would take to land CP3?

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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7/23/2010  8:52 PM
This is really a hard one to call. Just how good is Paul's game post injury, that's what the whole thing hinges on. I think Donnie should try to wait till Dec 15th, somehow convince CP3's agent to do the same? We need to see what he's got even if its only a small sample.
TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
jazz74
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7/23/2010  8:56 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
jazz74 wrote:well, what if melo signs the extension like most people think he will? then melo isnt a factor anymore. would you do this then?

Jazz would you do it if the asking price is

Curry Gallinari Randolph Chandler Fields Felton


briggs, we wont have to give up everyone on that list. i heard it is either or with gallo or randolph and i rather have gallo.
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7/23/2010  8:58 PM
crzymdups wrote:
NYK3 wrote:I'm still on board, give me Emeka and CP3 and I am one happy camper. I cant believe some are actually against adding a SUPERSTAR PG, its unreal to me. We have been waiting YEARS UPON YEARS for a GREAT PG to lead us.

CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT,CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT, CP3 IS A SUPERSTAR TALENT.

people said the same thing about marbury...

yeah but marbury was a headcase and we all knew it. he NEVER made his team better but had amazinf stats. thats why we said that. cp3 is superstar talent that makes everyone around him better. it would be the first time he plays with a legit all star ( sorry, west). he will go off.
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7/23/2010  9:01 PM
crzymdups wrote:
kam77 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:i honestly can't believe some guys are hedging on acquiring a superstar player because of who we MIGHT be able to sign next year... people are willing to throw away young assets to clear cap space but they won't part with young assets to acquire 1 of the best PG's in the game... it's some serious insanity going on up in here.

TMS--Im offering you Chris Paul Songalia Aaron Gray for Gallo AR Fields Douglas Chandler Curry a future 1 and both GS 2's--will you take it--that is the deal nothing less.

That is a ridiculous price to pay. I don't believe it will be that high.

---
Besides, the package is Ok4+CP3.

Okafor is 13/10 with 2 blocks and will do the dirty work next to Amare.

Okafor and Paul for Gallo+assets is getting 2 starters for one (I don't consider WC a worthy backcourt starter).

And after the deal is done, we will have Felton as a trade piece on a very friendly contract to use to get more help.

Paul
SG
SF
Amare
Okafor

Is a top 4 squad in the EAST.

Miami, Orlando, Boston, Chicago - which team are we better than from that group?


well, it depends who we dont trade. i think we are better than chicago clearly and we might be better than boston. however, you are underestimating the frontcourt potential of okafor and stoudamire. a great yin/yang combo.
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7/23/2010  11:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  11:28 PM
TMS wrote:
Solace wrote:
TMS wrote:i honestly can't believe some guys are hedging on acquiring a superstar player because of who we MIGHT be able to sign next year... people are willing to throw away young assets to clear cap space but they won't part with young assets to acquire 1 of the best PG's in the game... it's some serious insanity going on up in here.

Sorry, but that's an over-simplication that I don't think is actually accurate. The main point is Okafor's contract removing all flexibility. Okafor reduces the value of the trade, for our situation, IMHO. Chris Paul is great, but if he's got nobody left to play with, we're not in good shape. I think most people are willing to give either future stars (Gallinari/AR) or cap space, just not both in the same trade. Now, if they take Eddy Curry + Azubuike + Chandler + Turiaf for Paul and Okafor, I don't think anyone would mind not getting Carmelo. To give $12+ million in cap flexibility, Gallinari, and two other young players would be insanity.

oh God, just forget about Melo next summer & go out & get CP3 now... it's a no brainer... you can still build a championship contending roster around CP3, Amare, Gallo, OK4 & role players... how is that having no one left to play with? those are 4 very good players right there... i don't remember saying i'd give up both Gallo & AR, so not sure why you & BRIGGS keeps inserting that into the conversation here... i don't believe the Knicks would give up both those kids either.

First, don't lump me in with Briggs on this one. But, more importantly, I would prefer Carmelo over Paul, which I know may sound a bit silly on the surface, but I think the rewards are high. Look, I will be the first one cheering if we snag Paul, as long as we don't get raped. At the same time, if Carmelo wants to come here, I don't want to completely eliminate that possibility. Ideally, to compete with Miami we'll need Amare, CP3 and Carmelo. But, I agree overall, getting Paul makes our team much better.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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7/24/2010  1:51 AM
jazz74 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
kam77 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:i honestly can't believe some guys are hedging on acquiring a superstar player because of who we MIGHT be able to sign next year... people are willing to throw away young assets to clear cap space but they won't part with young assets to acquire 1 of the best PG's in the game... it's some serious insanity going on up in here.

TMS--Im offering you Chris Paul Songalia Aaron Gray for Gallo AR Fields Douglas Chandler Curry a future 1 and both GS 2's--will you take it--that is the deal nothing less.

That is a ridiculous price to pay. I don't believe it will be that high.

---
Besides, the package is Ok4+CP3.

Okafor is 13/10 with 2 blocks and will do the dirty work next to Amare.

Okafor and Paul for Gallo+assets is getting 2 starters for one (I don't consider WC a worthy backcourt starter).

And after the deal is done, we will have Felton as a trade piece on a very friendly contract to use to get more help.

Paul
SG
SF
Amare
Okafor

Is a top 4 squad in the EAST.

Miami, Orlando, Boston, Chicago - which team are we better than from that group?


well, it depends who we dont trade. i think we are better than chicago clearly and we might be better than boston. however, you are underestimating the frontcourt potential of okafor and stoudamire. a great yin/yang combo.

Miami and Orlando will be the top tier. Boston and Chicago are in that 2nd tier and we're right there with them. Provided we keep a few assets and not just raid the team.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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