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7/23/2010  10:49 AM
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BlueSeats wrote:They're just saying that no one is untradeable. Doesn't mean you throw them all into one trade though.


NObody should be untradable in my book except your franchise player.

We can have Carmelo for nothing and Keep AR and Gallo.

I prefer we let these guys develop. I think Paul has got to come with Oka4 and that blows the cap space for Carmelo.

I agree. If the choice were a certain Melo vs CP I'd go with Melo. But the more realistic scenario (at this moment) is the certainty of Paul vs the uncertainty of Melo. If you hold off on Paul in the hopes of Melo you could come up with neither.

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7/23/2010  10:56 AM
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Bonn1997 wrote:Giving up young talent to get big name stars with huge question marks would certainly be consistent with this team's mission since Cablevision took the team over.

really chris paul is a huge question mark now? the fact that cp3 came back the same season from his knee surgery tells me all i need to know about the severity of the injury and how he feels about it.


The fact that he came back and played pretty crappy tells you all you need to know?

so that's how youre judging a perennial 20pt/11assist/2.5steals 25 year old player? that he played "crappy" in a whopping 7 games after missing 2 months during the basketball season? cool. thats your prerogative, but to me that's beyond ridiculous.

his team got blown ou by 50 in a home playoff loss, that ridiculous.. As i mention before, you just can give up all your depth for one player, it's playoff suicide

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7/23/2010  10:57 AM
From today's New York Times:

Paul’s Landing With the Knicks Soon Is Unlikely
By HOWARD BECK
Published: July 22, 2010

The murmurs and musings have burgeoned into a fully formed, substantive and fascinating drama: Chris Paul, one of the N.B.A.’s top point guards, wants to be traded out of New Orleans.

He has a plan, a list of preferred destinations and a deadline: opening night of 2010. The Summer of LeBron could soon give way to the Fall of Paul.

As a storyline, Paul’s restlessness could dominate the rest of an already-dizzying N.B.A. off-season. In reality, nothing is likely to happen anytime soon, if at all.

Paul, 25, is under contract for two more seasons and holds an option for the 2012-13 season. He has no way to force a trade, nor can he threaten to sit out games without forfeiting his salary. If he takes his trade demands public, the N.B.A. will fine him.

Because Paul cannot become a free agent until 2012, the Hornets have no urgent reason to deal him until at least next summer. By then, a new collective bargaining agreement could completely change the N.B.A. landscape.

In the meantime, the Hornets’ front office — led by the new general manager Dell Demps and the new coach Monty Williams — should have ample opportunities to reshape the roster and perhaps persuade Paul to stay.

Paul’s discontent has been a poorly kept secret in league circles. But the extent of his escape plan was not clear until CBSSports.com laid out the details Wednesday night. According to the report, which cited unnamed sources, Paul wants to play with another superstar and was emboldened by the newly formed LeBron James-Dwyane Wade-Chris Bosh partnership in Miami.

Paul reportedly wants out immediately and wants to land with the Knicks, the Orlando Magic or the Los Angeles Lakers. Subsequent reports by The Times-Picayune of New Orleans and ESPN listed the Knicks, the Magic, the Portland Trail Blazers and the Dallas Mavericks as the preferred destinations, with the Knicks ranking first, according to ESPN.

The Times-Picayune quoted a person close to Paul saying that no trade demand had been made.

The Knicks have some decent assets — Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry’s expiring contract — but probably do not have the right combination to make a direct trade for Paul.

It bears noting that Paul has no power to choose his destination. His contract does not include a no-trade clause (they are rare in the N.B.A.), which means he has no veto power. The Hornets would therefore be free to make the best deal for themselves, irrespective of Paul’s wishes.

It is also unlikely that the Hornets’ new management team would begin its tenure by trading Paul, a perennial All-Star and the face of the franchise. This is Demps’s first job running a team, but he spent five years with the San Antonio Spurs, studying under some of the sharpest executives in the league.

Demps was just hired on Wednesday and has not yet had the chance to sit down with Paul and lay out his vision for the team. That meeting is expected to take place next week.

That Paul is trying to follow James’s blueprint is not entirely surprising. The two are friends and they share the same agent, Leon Rose, and management team, LRMR — the company founded by James and his friend Maverick Carter. Paul signed up with Rose and LRMR earlier this month after severing ties with Octagon.

On Thursday, as news of Paul’s trade desires spread, James weighed in via his Twitter account, saying, “Best of luck to my brother @oneandonlycp3. Do what’s best for You and your family.”

The Hornets won a franchise-record 56 games and made the Western Conference semifinals in 2007-8, Paul’s third season. They looked like a rising power in the West. But they have been regressing ever since, losing in the first round in 2009 and missing the playoffs in 2010 amid budget concerns and roster chaos. Coach Byron Scott, who was close to Paul, was fired last November.

Paul played just 45 games last season because of injury. In his absence, the rookie Darren Collison played like a star, which only made a Paul trade seem more likely.

The Hornets are handicapped by a small market and a poor local economy, and their ownership is in flux, with the owner George Shinn in negotiations to sell majority interest to his partner, Gary Chouest.

Amid the murmurings and the rumors, there is encouragement for the Knicks — even if Paul never comes to New York.

By naming the Knicks, even privately, Paul has validated their rebuilding effort and their hope of becoming a desirable destination for star players. For most of the last decade, the Knicks were regarded as more dysfunctional and hopeless than the Hornets are now.

But the recent signing of Amar’e Stoudemire has changed perceptions and given every N.B.A. star a reason to take notice. In a toast at Carmelo Anthony’s wedding, Paul even joked about the idea of a Stoudemire-Anthony-Paul partnership in New York.

The wedding guests chuckled. It was a far-fetched fantasy. But not as laughable as it once might have seemed.

I really hope Donnie "Snoozer" Walsh takes a nap on this one. We need to see what we have in the pieces we already assembled. No reason to starphuck with CP3 right now. He was hurt for half of last year. While he is a franchise PG, we don't necessarily want to send away our most promising youngsters to lock him in. I admit that CP3+Amare is VERY enticing. But rumor has it Felton can pass the rock pretty well himself. We need to keep Gallo to spread the floor. I could see giving up AR, Chandler and Curry, but I'd like to see what AR brings this season first.

Besides, why should the Hornets deal him now? He has no leverage.

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7/23/2010  11:45 AM
Moonangie wrote:
From today's New York Times:

Paul’s Landing With the Knicks Soon Is Unlikely
By HOWARD BECK
Published: July 22, 2010

The murmurs and musings have burgeoned into a fully formed, substantive and fascinating drama: Chris Paul, one of the N.B.A.’s top point guards, wants to be traded out of New Orleans.

He has a plan, a list of preferred destinations and a deadline: opening night of 2010. The Summer of LeBron could soon give way to the Fall of Paul.

As a storyline, Paul’s restlessness could dominate the rest of an already-dizzying N.B.A. off-season. In reality, nothing is likely to happen anytime soon, if at all.

Paul, 25, is under contract for two more seasons and holds an option for the 2012-13 season. He has no way to force a trade, nor can he threaten to sit out games without forfeiting his salary. If he takes his trade demands public, the N.B.A. will fine him.

Because Paul cannot become a free agent until 2012, the Hornets have no urgent reason to deal him until at least next summer. By then, a new collective bargaining agreement could completely change the N.B.A. landscape.

In the meantime, the Hornets’ front office — led by the new general manager Dell Demps and the new coach Monty Williams — should have ample opportunities to reshape the roster and perhaps persuade Paul to stay.

Paul’s discontent has been a poorly kept secret in league circles. But the extent of his escape plan was not clear until CBSSports.com laid out the details Wednesday night. According to the report, which cited unnamed sources, Paul wants to play with another superstar and was emboldened by the newly formed LeBron James-Dwyane Wade-Chris Bosh partnership in Miami.

Paul reportedly wants out immediately and wants to land with the Knicks, the Orlando Magic or the Los Angeles Lakers. Subsequent reports by The Times-Picayune of New Orleans and ESPN listed the Knicks, the Magic, the Portland Trail Blazers and the Dallas Mavericks as the preferred destinations, with the Knicks ranking first, according to ESPN.

The Times-Picayune quoted a person close to Paul saying that no trade demand had been made.

The Knicks have some decent assets — Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry’s expiring contract — but probably do not have the right combination to make a direct trade for Paul.

It bears noting that Paul has no power to choose his destination. His contract does not include a no-trade clause (they are rare in the N.B.A.), which means he has no veto power. The Hornets would therefore be free to make the best deal for themselves, irrespective of Paul’s wishes.

It is also unlikely that the Hornets’ new management team would begin its tenure by trading Paul, a perennial All-Star and the face of the franchise. This is Demps’s first job running a team, but he spent five years with the San Antonio Spurs, studying under some of the sharpest executives in the league.

Demps was just hired on Wednesday and has not yet had the chance to sit down with Paul and lay out his vision for the team. That meeting is expected to take place next week.

That Paul is trying to follow James’s blueprint is not entirely surprising. The two are friends and they share the same agent, Leon Rose, and management team, LRMR — the company founded by James and his friend Maverick Carter. Paul signed up with Rose and LRMR earlier this month after severing ties with Octagon.

On Thursday, as news of Paul’s trade desires spread, James weighed in via his Twitter account, saying, “Best of luck to my brother @oneandonlycp3. Do what’s best for You and your family.”

The Hornets won a franchise-record 56 games and made the Western Conference semifinals in 2007-8, Paul’s third season. They looked like a rising power in the West. But they have been regressing ever since, losing in the first round in 2009 and missing the playoffs in 2010 amid budget concerns and roster chaos. Coach Byron Scott, who was close to Paul, was fired last November.

Paul played just 45 games last season because of injury. In his absence, the rookie Darren Collison played like a star, which only made a Paul trade seem more likely.

The Hornets are handicapped by a small market and a poor local economy, and their ownership is in flux, with the owner George Shinn in negotiations to sell majority interest to his partner, Gary Chouest.

Amid the murmurings and the rumors, there is encouragement for the Knicks — even if Paul never comes to New York.

By naming the Knicks, even privately, Paul has validated their rebuilding effort and their hope of becoming a desirable destination for star players. For most of the last decade, the Knicks were regarded as more dysfunctional and hopeless than the Hornets are now.

But the recent signing of Amar’e Stoudemire has changed perceptions and given every N.B.A. star a reason to take notice. In a toast at Carmelo Anthony’s wedding, Paul even joked about the idea of a Stoudemire-Anthony-Paul partnership in New York.

The wedding guests chuckled. It was a far-fetched fantasy. But not as laughable as it once might have seemed.

I really hope Donnie "Snoozer" Walsh takes a nap on this one. We need to see what we have in the pieces we already assembled. No reason to starphuck with CP3 right now. He was hurt for half of last year. While he is a franchise PG, we don't necessarily want to send away our most promising youngsters to lock him in. I admit that CP3+Amare is VERY enticing. But rumor has it Felton can pass the rock pretty well himself. We need to keep Gallo to spread the floor. I could see giving up AR, Chandler and Curry, but I'd like to see what AR brings this season first.

Besides, why should the Hornets deal him now? He has no leverage.

lol, you're still making fun of donnie's age and that he's asleep after the coup he got out of golden state for lee and the amar'e and felton signings?

maybe you're the one that needs to wake up bro.

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7/23/2010  11:46 AM
This is what Ill give for Paul nothing.. Ill wait until he is FA and get him for free as all of my guys mature and develop. No need for dufus shortcuts people dont understand patience--he is under contract for 2 years--right now you trade at a position of weakness. Not in position to win anything if we dump all of our bigs--the whole reason why we will be good is the size and diversity of our frontline--impossible to match up with. do people want a chris paul felton backcourt with no shotblockers????LOL we will win 36 games.
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7/23/2010  11:51 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
Moonangie wrote:I really hope Donnie "Snoozer" Walsh takes a nap on this one. We need to see what we have in the pieces we already assembled. No reason to starphuck with CP3 right now. He was hurt for half of last year. While he is a franchise PG, we don't necessarily want to send away our most promising youngsters to lock him in. I admit that CP3+Amare is VERY enticing. But rumor has it Felton can pass the rock pretty well himself. We need to keep Gallo to spread the floor. I could see giving up AR, Chandler and Curry, but I'd like to see what AR brings this season first.

Besides, why should the Hornets deal him now? He has no leverage.

lol, you're still making fun of donnie's age and that he's asleep after the coup he got out of golden state for lee and the amar'e and felton signings?

maybe you're the one that needs to wake up bro.

I think you misunderstood my intent. I have always been an ardent supporter of Donnie in my posts on this forum. I think his work this off-season speaks for itself. I was simply co-opting the pessimist's pejorative for Donnie to say that I want him to be patient on this CP3 deal and not break what he just fixed.

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7/23/2010  11:52 AM
Moonangie wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Moonangie wrote:I really hope Donnie "Snoozer" Walsh takes a nap on this one. We need to see what we have in the pieces we already assembled. No reason to starphuck with CP3 right now. He was hurt for half of last year. While he is a franchise PG, we don't necessarily want to send away our most promising youngsters to lock him in. I admit that CP3+Amare is VERY enticing. But rumor has it Felton can pass the rock pretty well himself. We need to keep Gallo to spread the floor. I could see giving up AR, Chandler and Curry, but I'd like to see what AR brings this season first.

Besides, why should the Hornets deal him now? He has no leverage.

lol, you're still making fun of donnie's age and that he's asleep after the coup he got out of golden state for lee and the amar'e and felton signings?

maybe you're the one that needs to wake up bro.

I think you misunderstood my intent. I have always been an ardent supporter of Donnie in my posts on this forum. I think his work this off-season speaks for itself. I was simply co-opting the pessimist's pejorative for Donnie to say that I want him to be patient on this CP3 deal and not break what he just fixed.

ah ok, gotcha, nevermind then.

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7/23/2010  12:09 PM
Galinari is my favorite player since Starks; but I guess you'd have to do it.
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7/23/2010  1:48 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:Giving up young talent to get big name stars with huge question marks would certainly be consistent with this team's mission since Cablevision took the team over.

Knicks players have question marks too. AR only played 33 games last year. Gallo missed most of his rookie season. Chandler has had his health issues too. You can't really say that Knicks young players don't have issues and only Paul does. I hate the idea of giving up height for a PG but in this case the Knicks have to pull the trigger you are talking about the top 1-2 pg in the game today. He makes everyone better shoots a high percentage and can stretch the floor with his shooting. Felton isn't in the same class as Paul lets face the reality of Felton for a second. Last year was his first real decent year. He is a streaky shooter that will drive the Knicks crazy when his jumper is off that is a given. He is not the best shooter out there. It should comes as no surprise that he had his best year in contract year what happened to the other years. It should come as a surprise also to know that the Bobcat's let him walk and he signed with the Knicks for a reasonable contract that the Bobcats refused to give Felton and Larry Brown called him his heart. I think Larry was just saying shyt to Walsh to drive up the price on a player he really didn't want just in case a deal was to materialize. My personal feeling is he isn't gonna give that much to the Knicks. Probably puts up Duhon like numbers at best maybe a little better scorer and defensively better.

You have a good point about the Knicks' players having question marks. However, I find it mind-boggling when posters here (not just you) make comments like "Felton isn't in the same class as Paul." It's like you guys become deaf when told that Paul is coming off an extremely serious injury. The fact is you have no idea if the post-injury Paul is superior to, inferior to, or about the same as Felton. In the 7 games post-injury, Paul's #s were *inferior to* Felton's season #s. Obviously you can't make too much out of that small sample but there is nothing beyond guessing to justify the notion that Paul post-injury is a star. I don't want to give up a lot of young talent based on your guessing about Paul.

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7/23/2010  1:51 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Giving up young talent to get big name stars with huge question marks would certainly be consistent with this team's mission since Cablevision took the team over.

really chris paul is a huge question mark now? the fact that cp3 came back the same season from his knee surgery tells me all i need to know about the severity of the injury and how he feels about it.


The fact that he came back and played pretty crappy tells you all you need to know?

so that's how youre judging a perennial 20pt/11assist/2.5steals 25 year old player? that he played "crappy" in a whopping 7 games after missing 2 months during the basketball season? cool. thats your prerogative, but to me that's beyond ridiculous.


No, I nowhere said I was judging him based on those #s. I nowhere even gave my own judgment. I was merely pointing out that drawing the positive inference you did from his crappy play was illogical, and your only response was to attack a claim I never made.
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Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Giving up young talent to get big name stars with huge question marks would certainly be consistent with this team's mission since Cablevision took the team over.

really chris paul is a huge question mark now? the fact that cp3 came back the same season from his knee surgery tells me all i need to know about the severity of the injury and how he feels about it.


The fact that he came back and played pretty crappy tells you all you need to know?

so that's how youre judging a perennial 20pt/11assist/2.5steals 25 year old player? that he played "crappy" in a whopping 7 games after missing 2 months during the basketball season? cool. thats your prerogative, but to me that's beyond ridiculous.


No, I nowhere said I was judging him based on those #s. I nowhere even gave my own judgment. I was merely pointing out that drawing the positive inference you did from his crappy play was illogical, and your only response was to attack a claim I never made.

I think this is probably the hold over from being burned a few times, like with McKnee, er.... I mean, McDyess. But, let's not go overboard. If you trade for Paul and he passes his physical, to me, I take it. Potential aside, the team we have now does not really have championship potential. Add Paul and, IMHO, we're in it.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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This is made up BS from a guy who knows little about basketball.
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7/23/2010  1:57 PM
Solace wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Giving up young talent to get big name stars with huge question marks would certainly be consistent with this team's mission since Cablevision took the team over.

really chris paul is a huge question mark now? the fact that cp3 came back the same season from his knee surgery tells me all i need to know about the severity of the injury and how he feels about it.


The fact that he came back and played pretty crappy tells you all you need to know?

so that's how youre judging a perennial 20pt/11assist/2.5steals 25 year old player? that he played "crappy" in a whopping 7 games after missing 2 months during the basketball season? cool. thats your prerogative, but to me that's beyond ridiculous.


No, I nowhere said I was judging him based on those #s. I nowhere even gave my own judgment. I was merely pointing out that drawing the positive inference you did from his crappy play was illogical, and your only response was to attack a claim I never made.

I think this is probably the hold over from being burned a few times, like with McKnee, er.... I mean, McDyess. But, let's not go overboard. If you trade for Paul and he passes his physical, to me, I take it. Potential aside, the team we have now does not really have championship potential. Add Paul and, IMHO, we're in it.

I think that reply reflects a misunderstanding of his injury and maybe some blind hope too. All a physical is going to reveal is that he had his meniscus removed and there is now bone on bone. That's a potential recipe for disaster but there is no way to know how his knee will hold up over 82 games let alone several season.

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Bonn1997 wrote:
Solace wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Giving up young talent to get big name stars with huge question marks would certainly be consistent with this team's mission since Cablevision took the team over.

really chris paul is a huge question mark now? the fact that cp3 came back the same season from his knee surgery tells me all i need to know about the severity of the injury and how he feels about it.


The fact that he came back and played pretty crappy tells you all you need to know?

so that's how youre judging a perennial 20pt/11assist/2.5steals 25 year old player? that he played "crappy" in a whopping 7 games after missing 2 months during the basketball season? cool. thats your prerogative, but to me that's beyond ridiculous.


No, I nowhere said I was judging him based on those #s. I nowhere even gave my own judgment. I was merely pointing out that drawing the positive inference you did from his crappy play was illogical, and your only response was to attack a claim I never made.

I think this is probably the hold over from being burned a few times, like with McKnee, er.... I mean, McDyess. But, let's not go overboard. If you trade for Paul and he passes his physical, to me, I take it. Potential aside, the team we have now does not really have championship potential. Add Paul and, IMHO, we're in it.

I think that reply reflects a misunderstanding of his injury and maybe some blind hope too. All a physical is going to reveal is that he had his meniscus removed and there is now bone on bone. That's a potential recipe for disaster but there is no way to know how his knee will hold up over 82 games let alone several season.

Um... well, it's not like you're going to get a warranty on him, return within 60 days for a full refund? You either are confident he's healthy or you're not. Obviously, the Knicks have to do their homework before they make the move. That's all I was implying (in other words, don't read things so literally).

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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Bonn1997 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Giving up young talent to get big name stars with huge question marks would certainly be consistent with this team's mission since Cablevision took the team over.

Knicks players have question marks too. AR only played 33 games last year. Gallo missed most of his rookie season. Chandler has had his health issues too. You can't really say that Knicks young players don't have issues and only Paul does. I hate the idea of giving up height for a PG but in this case the Knicks have to pull the trigger you are talking about the top 1-2 pg in the game today. He makes everyone better shoots a high percentage and can stretch the floor with his shooting. Felton isn't in the same class as Paul lets face the reality of Felton for a second. Last year was his first real decent year. He is a streaky shooter that will drive the Knicks crazy when his jumper is off that is a given. He is not the best shooter out there. It should comes as no surprise that he had his best year in contract year what happened to the other years. It should come as a surprise also to know that the Bobcat's let him walk and he signed with the Knicks for a reasonable contract that the Bobcats refused to give Felton and Larry Brown called him his heart. I think Larry was just saying shyt to Walsh to drive up the price on a player he really didn't want just in case a deal was to materialize. My personal feeling is he isn't gonna give that much to the Knicks. Probably puts up Duhon like numbers at best maybe a little better scorer and defensively better.

You have a good point about the Knicks' players having question marks. However, I find it mind-boggling when posters here (not just you) make comments like "Felton isn't in the same class as Paul." It's like you guys become deaf when told that Paul is coming off an extremely serious injury. The fact is you have no idea if the post-injury Paul is superior to, inferior to, or about the same as Felton. In the 7 games post-injury, Paul's #s were *inferior to* Felton's season #s. Obviously you can't make too much out of that small sample but there is nothing beyond guessing to justify the notion that Paul post-injury is a star. I don't want to give up a lot of young talent based on your guessing about Paul.

I don't think anyone should question whether Paul is a better player or whether he puts up better stats. Even post surgery, Paul is a tremendous player. I think Felton can be very good here. But a healthy Paul is the best PG in the game.

But Felton and Paul are redundant. If a deal for Paul was going to happen, it should have happened prior to siging Felton. Any deal for Paul really has to include Felton-- and that can't happen right now. So, I would re-evaluate this when Felton is tradeable. If Felton is playing awesome and Paul is IR'd, no need to make any moves. But if Paul is back to himself, at that point you need to consider whether the cost to get him is worth it.

That said, I am not going to cry if we start the season with CP3 and Amare.

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7/23/2010  2:17 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Giving up young talent to get big name stars with huge question marks would certainly be consistent with this team's mission since Cablevision took the team over.

really chris paul is a huge question mark now? the fact that cp3 came back the same season from his knee surgery tells me all i need to know about the severity of the injury and how he feels about it.


The fact that he came back and played pretty crappy tells you all you need to know?

so that's how youre judging a perennial 20pt/11assist/2.5steals 25 year old player? that he played "crappy" in a whopping 7 games after missing 2 months during the basketball season? cool. thats your prerogative, but to me that's beyond ridiculous.


No, I nowhere said I was judging him based on those #s. I nowhere even gave my own judgment. I was merely pointing out that drawing the positive inference you did from his crappy play was illogical, and your only response was to attack a claim I never made.

how were you not judging him on those numbers? YOU called his play crappy, not me. what is it with you and semantics all the time?

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7/23/2010  2:29 PM
the best tactic in this scenario is patience. let our players develop and see what we have. let the paul situation play out. let the tony parker situation play out. let the melo situation play out.

patience. i'm glad we have donnie here - he is patient.

don't make a deal that cripples the team.

what if we can just sign carmelo in FA next season and keep our guys?

what if we can get tony parker in FA and melo anthony for gallo, felton and mozgov?

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7/23/2010  3:08 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Giving up young talent to get big name stars with huge question marks would certainly be consistent with this team's mission since Cablevision took the team over.

Knicks players have question marks too. AR only played 33 games last year. Gallo missed most of his rookie season. Chandler has had his health issues too. You can't really say that Knicks young players don't have issues and only Paul does. I hate the idea of giving up height for a PG but in this case the Knicks have to pull the trigger you are talking about the top 1-2 pg in the game today. He makes everyone better shoots a high percentage and can stretch the floor with his shooting. Felton isn't in the same class as Paul lets face the reality of Felton for a second. Last year was his first real decent year. He is a streaky shooter that will drive the Knicks crazy when his jumper is off that is a given. He is not the best shooter out there. It should comes as no surprise that he had his best year in contract year what happened to the other years. It should come as a surprise also to know that the Bobcat's let him walk and he signed with the Knicks for a reasonable contract that the Bobcats refused to give Felton and Larry Brown called him his heart. I think Larry was just saying shyt to Walsh to drive up the price on a player he really didn't want just in case a deal was to materialize. My personal feeling is he isn't gonna give that much to the Knicks. Probably puts up Duhon like numbers at best maybe a little better scorer and defensively better.

You have a good point about the Knicks' players having question marks. However, I find it mind-boggling when posters here (not just you) make comments like "Felton isn't in the same class as Paul." It's like you guys become deaf when told that Paul is coming off an extremely serious injury. The fact is you have no idea if the post-injury Paul is superior to, inferior to, or about the same as Felton. In the 7 games post-injury, Paul's #s were *inferior to* Felton's season #s. Obviously you can't make too much out of that small sample but there is nothing beyond guessing to justify the notion that Paul post-injury is a star. I don't want to give up a lot of young talent based on your guessing about Paul.

I don't think anyone should question whether Paul is a better player or whether he puts up better stats. Even post surgery, Paul is a tremendous player. I think Felton can be very good here. But a healthy Paul is the best PG in the game.

But Felton and Paul are redundant. If a deal for Paul was going to happen, it should have happened prior to siging Felton. Any deal for Paul really has to include Felton-- and that can't happen right now. So, I would re-evaluate this when Felton is tradeable. If Felton is playing awesome and Paul is IR'd, no need to make any moves. But if Paul is back to himself, at that point you need to consider whether the cost to get him is worth it.

That said, I am not going to cry if we start the season with CP3 and Amare.

Exactly! Plus we will get to see where Gallo,Randolph and Chandler are at as well.

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7/23/2010  9:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  9:44 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Giving up young talent to get big name stars with huge question marks would certainly be consistent with this team's mission since Cablevision took the team over.

really chris paul is a huge question mark now? the fact that cp3 came back the same season from his knee surgery tells me all i need to know about the severity of the injury and how he feels about it.


The fact that he came back and played pretty crappy tells you all you need to know?

so that's how youre judging a perennial 20pt/11assist/2.5steals 25 year old player? that he played "crappy" in a whopping 7 games after missing 2 months during the basketball season? cool. thats your prerogative, but to me that's beyond ridiculous.


No, I nowhere said I was judging him based on those #s. I nowhere even gave my own judgment. I was merely pointing out that drawing the positive inference you did from his crappy play was illogical, and your only response was to attack a claim I never made.

how were you not judging him on those numbers? YOU called his play crappy, not me. what is it with you and semantics all the time?


I judged his play in those seven games, yes. When I said I wasn't judging him, I meant I wasn't judging how he'll play in the future--he could be A) great, B) done, or C) somewhere in between. But the fact that he played crappy when returning last year cannot logically reassure you that point A above (that he'll be great again) is what we'll observe--and that's what it seemed you were suggesting. I'll give you a chance to clarify if I misunderstood though.
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7/23/2010  10:15 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Giving up young talent to get big name stars with huge question marks would certainly be consistent with this team's mission since Cablevision took the team over.

really chris paul is a huge question mark now? the fact that cp3 came back the same season from his knee surgery tells me all i need to know about the severity of the injury and how he feels about it.


The fact that he came back and played pretty crappy tells you all you need to know?

so that's how youre judging a perennial 20pt/11assist/2.5steals 25 year old player? that he played "crappy" in a whopping 7 games after missing 2 months during the basketball season? cool. thats your prerogative, but to me that's beyond ridiculous.


No, I nowhere said I was judging him based on those #s. I nowhere even gave my own judgment. I was merely pointing out that drawing the positive inference you did from his crappy play was illogical, and your only response was to attack a claim I never made.

how were you not judging him on those numbers? YOU called his play crappy, not me. what is it with you and semantics all the time?


I judged his play in those seven games, yes. When I said I wasn't judging him, I meant I wasn't judging how he'll play in the future--he could be A) great, B) done, or C) somewhere in between. But the fact that he played crappy when returning last year cannot logically reassure you that point A above (that he'll be great again) is what we'll observe--and that's what it seemed you were suggesting. I'll give you a chance to clarify if I misunderstood though.

I have yet to hear one player who lost his career to a torn Meniscus. You are acting as if it was his cartilage that was removed they are two different things. Besides its normal for players to have their knee scoped out now and then to make sure there are no wear and tear debris in the knee. Paul will make a 100% recovery.

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