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Solace
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7/23/2010  12:51 AM
TMS wrote:you don't want to trade for CP3, but you wanna give up longterm cap space & future picks to go after Lou Williams... wow.

I think BRIGGS is all about finding a diamond in the rough, rather than taking established stars. That's the only thing I can figure. This just makes no sense.

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7/23/2010  12:56 AM
I doubt it would be a trade either we or the Sixers would do.... I still do see what BRIGGS is doing here.

Lou Williams is an Andre Miller type of player.
Kapono and Green are shooters.

I actually would welcome all three players on the team ---- YET ---- I wouldn't really want to give up much to get them (Curry/Chandler at most). Also we do have to be watching our 2011 cap if we want to finish building this team's foundation.

Amare was a good start... but in terms of foundation we need to score another big time player. So in that I don't think we want to be making trades that say "Amare is our star and now we're going to just fill up the cap with role players".

Don't want to pull an Orlando Magic (2000-2003 where they just shed salary even at the cost at some very good bench players just to take another run at a free agent that already told you no (Duncan) ).

If we make that type of mistake it'll be on Chris Paul/Emeka Okafor type deal. Of which would not surprise me one bit. If the health checks out it's a no brainer.

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7/23/2010  1:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  1:02 AM
Solace wrote:
TMS wrote:you don't want to trade for CP3, but you wanna give up longterm cap space & future picks to go after Lou Williams... wow.

I think BRIGGS is all about finding a diamond in the rough, rather than taking established stars. That's the only thing I can figure. This just makes no sense.

Lou Williams wouldn't even start over Ray Felton... so in essence he's proposing we give up cap space in the next 2 years along w/Toney Douglas & future picks for a backup PG & 2 other bench warmers... ouch... seriously if anyone wonders why he gets ragged on all the time, it's stuff like this that causes it... i got respect for the guy's ability to scout talent late in the draft, but sometimes i'm not even sure if he's serious with these wild ideas that make absolutely no sense.

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7/23/2010  1:14 AM
TMS wrote:
Solace wrote:
TMS wrote:you don't want to trade for CP3, but you wanna give up longterm cap space & future picks to go after Lou Williams... wow.

I think BRIGGS is all about finding a diamond in the rough, rather than taking established stars. That's the only thing I can figure. This just makes no sense.

Lou Williams wouldn't even start over Ray Felton... so in essence he's proposing we give up cap space in the next 2 years along w/Toney Douglas & future picks for a backup PG & 2 other bench warmers... ouch... seriously if anyone wonders why he gets ragged on all the time, it's stuff like this that causes it... i got respect for the guy's ability to scout talent late in the draft, but sometimes i'm not even sure if he's serious with these wild ideas that make absolutely no sense.

I just think it's an incredible overemphasis on potential. That's the same reason I don't get so involved in the draft threads. If you listen to the threads, 9 guys out of 10 are spoken of as guaranteed starters and 4 out of 10 are stars. In reality, the truth is much much lower. I think this is the same kind of approach.

As for the cap space, I think it's obvious that Carmelo and/or CP3 are the next targets. As you said, I wouldn't want to deviate from those plans for such a low payoff.

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7/23/2010  1:27 AM
I'm watching Knicks in 60 now for the 3rd time tonight...Knicks playing Philly. Iggy can't shoot but boy can he do everything else. He runs up the court like he is on a motorcycle...dunks like he is taking off a ramp. He would be sick next to Felton...bring back that old Knick defense...reminds me of a young Gerald Wilkins sometimes
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7/23/2010  1:41 AM
TMS wrote:you don't want to trade for CP3, but you wanna give up longterm cap space & future picks to go after Lou Williams... wow.

Im am 100% against ANY trade that involves AR or Gallo for ANYONE not named Kobe LBJ or John Wall--yes I would take John Wall over CP3--I have seen the light on him---he is going to be a top2-3 player in the game --it might take two years and homing his J but what John wall will be able to do will be breathtaking

So yes Im against Chris Paul because it will cost us AR or Gallo or worse both to get him when we already haev felton


I like Lou Williams as an impact 6th man--a very important position--so i feel we would be getting an IMPACT talent. I don't mind spending some cap4 or so mm next year to acquire Williams. I like the team we have I just know we have to add impact talent to the bench that can also start if need be.

I just happen to think very highly of Lou Williams--Im not advocating giving up that much either. I can lose TD and not cry about it.

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7/23/2010  2:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  2:02 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:you don't want to trade for CP3, but you wanna give up longterm cap space & future picks to go after Lou Williams... wow.

Im am 100% against ANY trade that involves AR or Gallo for ANYONE not named Kobe LBJ or John Wall--yes I would take John Wall over CP3--I have seen the light on him---he is going to be a top2-3 player in the game --it might take two years and homing his J but what John wall will be able to do will be breathtaking

So yes Im against Chris Paul because it will cost us AR or Gallo or worse both to get him when we already haev felton


I like Lou Williams as an impact 6th man--a very important position--so i feel we would be getting an IMPACT talent. I don't mind spending some cap4 or so mm next year to acquire Williams. I like the team we have I just know we have to add impact talent to the bench that can also start if need be.

I just happen to think very highly of Lou Williams--Im not advocating giving up that much either. I can lose TD and not cry about it.

well of course you take John Wall, the kid is an absolute stud at 19 years of age & he's as humble as any young kid that talented i've ever seen coming into the NBA... you once argued with me that Jimmer Fredette would be a better PG i'm glad you're seeing the light on him now... but you don't think CP3 is an IMPACT talent in his own right?

as for Lou Williams, you do realize that by making a trade of this nature, you're taking yourself out of the running for Melo in 2011... if you're gonna do that, the player you're doing it for has to be a helluva lot better than Lou Williams dude... CP3 is a player you can justify sacrificing the "2011 plan" for, but not Lou Williams... not even close.

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7/23/2010  2:15 AM
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:you don't want to trade for CP3, but you wanna give up longterm cap space & future picks to go after Lou Williams... wow.

Im am 100% against ANY trade that involves AR or Gallo for ANYONE not named Kobe LBJ or John Wall--yes I would take John Wall over CP3--I have seen the light on him---he is going to be a top2-3 player in the game --it might take two years and homing his J but what John wall will be able to do will be breathtaking

So yes Im against Chris Paul because it will cost us AR or Gallo or worse both to get him when we already haev felton


I like Lou Williams as an impact 6th man--a very important position--so i feel we would be getting an IMPACT talent. I don't mind spending some cap4 or so mm next year to acquire Williams. I like the team we have I just know we have to add impact talent to the bench that can also start if need be.

I just happen to think very highly of Lou Williams--Im not advocating giving up that much either. I can lose TD and not cry about it.

well of course you take John Wall, the kid is an absolute stud at 19 years of age & he's as humble as any young kid that talented i've ever seen coming into the NBA... you once argued with me that Jimmer Fredette would be a better PG i'm glad you're seeing the light on him now... but you don't think CP3 is an IMPACT talent in his own right?

as for Lou Williams, you do realize that by making a trade of this nature, you're taking yourself out of the running for Melo in 2011... if you're gonna do that, the player you're doing it for has to be a helluva lot better than Lou Williams dude... CP3 is a player you can justify sacrificing the "2011 plan" for, but not Lou Williams... not even close.

No I don't--i spend 4mm in cap for 2011---did 4mm effect Chicago or Miami at the end of the day--not even close Im not worried about removing 4mm in cap space if need be and I can also work a S+T with Denver if they know its a lost cause.

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7/23/2010  2:21 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:you don't want to trade for CP3, but you wanna give up longterm cap space & future picks to go after Lou Williams... wow.

Im am 100% against ANY trade that involves AR or Gallo for ANYONE not named Kobe LBJ or John Wall--yes I would take John Wall over CP3--I have seen the light on him---he is going to be a top2-3 player in the game --it might take two years and homing his J but what John wall will be able to do will be breathtaking

So yes Im against Chris Paul because it will cost us AR or Gallo or worse both to get him when we already haev felton


I like Lou Williams as an impact 6th man--a very important position--so i feel we would be getting an IMPACT talent. I don't mind spending some cap4 or so mm next year to acquire Williams. I like the team we have I just know we have to add impact talent to the bench that can also start if need be.

I just happen to think very highly of Lou Williams--Im not advocating giving up that much either. I can lose TD and not cry about it.

well of course you take John Wall, the kid is an absolute stud at 19 years of age & he's as humble as any young kid that talented i've ever seen coming into the NBA... you once argued with me that Jimmer Fredette would be a better PG i'm glad you're seeing the light on him now... but you don't think CP3 is an IMPACT talent in his own right?

as for Lou Williams, you do realize that by making a trade of this nature, you're taking yourself out of the running for Melo in 2011... if you're gonna do that, the player you're doing it for has to be a helluva lot better than Lou Williams dude... CP3 is a player you can justify sacrificing the "2011 plan" for, but not Lou Williams... not even close.

No I don't--i spend 4mm in cap for 2011---did 4mm effect Chicago or Miami at the end of the day--not even close Im not worried about removing 4mm in cap space if need be and I can also work a S+T with Denver if they know its a lost cause.

we're already short on the cap to sign Melo in 2011 even w/o taking on any more contracts... in order to sign Melo we still have to shed another $5-6M off the cap... what you are proposing is we add another $4M to that amount, which would us in the hole even more... we had to dump a #8 lottery selected rookie, swap rights to a pick & another pick outright to shed $7M in salary last year & you want us to get back into the same hole for the sake of acquiring a backup PG for 2 years... wow dude.

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7/23/2010  7:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  7:07 AM
Louis Williams is a homeless man's Monta Ellis, who happens to be a very poor man's Wade.

So it would be almost like getting Wade. Who's in?

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7/23/2010  8:14 AM
joec32033 wrote:Louis Williams is a homeless man's Monta Ellis, who happens to be a very poor man's Wade.

So it would be almost like getting Wade. Who's in?

You fail to mention that the Wade you are referring to is not Dwyane Wade, but instead, Wade Duck.

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7/23/2010  8:37 AM
BRIGGS, is it so hard to type the words "trade idea" or "rumor" in your subject?
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7/23/2010  8:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  8:50 AM
Solace wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Louis Williams is a homeless man's Monta Ellis, who happens to be a very poor man's Wade.

So it would be almost like getting Wade. Who's in?

You fail to mention that the Wade you are referring to is not Dwyane Wade, but instead, Wade Duck.

Ha! I meant Wade Phillips!

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