Posted by Silverfuel:

He is a 1-dimesional jump shooting SG. There have been mediocre players that have scored 50pts in a game and averaged 20pts/gm for a few seasons on bad teams. Teams dont play hard defense when they play bad teams because they know they are winning anyway.

Just saying Houston never had a good PG who gave him open looks so he always created an open shot is not accurate. And those isolation plays are not being called anymore either. Creating your own shot is not where a SG is judged. A guard also is responsible for getting the ball to the open man and Houston never does that either. He is 1-dimensional.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 01/18/2004 08:25:40]

Posted by Allanfan20:

What is everyones definition of "Creating your own shot?" Obviously, a lot of you didn't watch the Knicks pre Marbury, b/c that's all he has been doing. He has been hounded, double teamed by the opposing teams best defense CONSISTENTLY. He consistently droped 19- 23 a game.

Just b/c he doesn't always take it to the rack, doesn't mean he can't create his own shot. What, do you think those killer jab steps, driving and pulling up for Js are? As a matter of fact, he took 6 foul shots against the raptors, today. If you say he is a mediocre player, you are dead wrong, and haven't been paying much attention.

Yes, he is not a very good defender. Yes, his rebounding is worthy of criticism. Yet, if you paid attention last year, you saw good improvement on his D. Then, he got surgery. That's all I can say about that.

I consider him to be a "Boarderline all star." He is what he is. He's a big time scorer, a SOLID passer and inconsistent defender.

If you don't like him. Fine. Yet, to say he is mediocre b/c he can't create his own shot is BS.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Throughout his career, Reggie Miller was known, as ONLY a shooter. He was known to do nothing else. He does not get bashed.

Allan isn't as clutch as Reggie, and wont be in the HOF, but, Houston has just as many skills, and still hits clutch baskets. Reggie is just as one dimensional as Allan, over his career. Why do people fail to not look at stuff like this?

I think there are 2 reasons people have bashed on Houston, the last couple of years.

1) His contract. It's over. We have to live with it.
2) He's been great for us, throughout his Knick career. Since he has a bad contract, people feel they have to kill him, everytime he makes one mistake.

Posted by TRU:

One thing's for sure: Allan shouldn't be going anywhere. There are only two types of players that have longevity in this league-- Big Boys, and Shooters. That's why players like Dikembe and Reggie have such high mileage. You can't teach height like Kareem's, or a sweet shot like Del Curry's.

Provided his knee holds up, his scoring numbers could pass a lot of the leagues bigger names. Hall of Fame? Depends on what the Knicks do.

I don't know how deep we go this year, but the most important goal of any club is to put yourself in the position to win. Whether it be in the fourth quarter of a game or the final days of a regular season, or the 7th game of a playoff series. In a WEAK east, our Knicks can position themselves to make it to the EC finals. If we squeak by, who knows what happens? We lost two shots at Championship Gold when Ewing went down in injuries and suspensions. Who's the say we can't get lucky?

Then Rasheed shows up next summer, and we reel off two more 'chips... (damn, this is some good crack I'm smoking...)

houston is an awesome, smooth shooter and has developed a decent couple moves to get his shot off.but to call him an all star this season is laughable.

Posted by letitbeheard:

the current knicks team is not going anywhere in the playoffs. sorry but true

are you sure that you know this for sure. lol. you telling it like you really believe it. you don't have a magic ball to look into the future do you?

Posted by letitbeheard:

no magic ball. but i know a dominant team when i see one


and yea redd has really nasty moves, the kind that make the opposing team go DAMMNNNNN

you sound too so sure that the knicks can't win a play-off series against a strong east team(pacers, pistons, nets) though the pacers win was the only win that the knicks got against the elite of the east. you don't think when this team comes completely comes together, they can't match-up well with those team?
you need a combination of things to win in the play-offs:
a good half-court team
a good deffensive team
a super-star player that hardly can the stopped
a good supporting cast that isn't affraid to dig in and put the ball in the hoop.
a little bit of luck is also envolved sometimes
which qualities do you think the knicks have or don't have in order to be successfull in the play-offs against those team?
please don't tell me a post-up player because we have more than enough to compensate for that currently. the bulls were a good example also imo.
what qualities have you seen or not seen on this current winning streak?

i agree about redd though, the guy can play, he definatly deserved to be an all-star because of his stats and most importantly, his team has been winning when they were really not expected to.

firstly don't compare our lack of a post game to the bulls-they had the best player of ALL TIME. and one of the best players of the 90's in pippen. and a solid 4 in ho grant.and cartwright was better than mutumbo currently is.

you talk about good defense. from what i've seen, the knicks don't have it. mutumbo is no longer a defensive monster and thomas gets taken to school by the miami heat power fowards, and makes mo taylor look like a hall of famer; houston isnt much of a defender, and kvh isn't a top notch defender either.

i do like our half court offense with houston back if he's at full strength. we then have 3 legit weapons in houston,star, and kvh. though we lack any real offensive rebounder.

penny is playing well off the bench, but theres not much else when it comes to the 3,4,5. although doleac is just as productive as kt and more than mutumbo--which is saying something in itself.

Posted by Killa4luv:

HAS THE WHOLE WORLD FORGOTTEN THAT H20 HAS BEEN PLAYING HURT ALL SEASON LONG?

he has played better some nights than others, but he is hurt and it is really obvious when you watch this year versus last year.

I watch about 75 - 85 percent of the games during the rergular season, and last year he played so well. He was scoring well, he played solid D, everything, but now he has come back this year a little hurt and everyone forgets.

And to bring p the create your own shot thing, ru guys for real.

Creating your own shot means creating your own shot. He doesn't release off of picks and get shots off someone elses creative dribbling. He gets the ball on the wing or near the post and gets a shot off.

He actually prefers to get the ball in iso versus off of a pick. He said it in an article. BTW he is top 5 2 guard in league.

But he is definitely not an All-star this year, he hasn't played really well or consistantly. His numbers should be much higher than they are this year.