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7/19/2010  12:11 PM
Earl I think it has everything to do with the decision. He portrays himself savy business man and an intelligent person. He should have been able to figure outwhat he meant to the people of Cleveland.

Christ even a child would have been able to realize if you are going to destroy the franchise you do it quitely you don't make a production out of it string your hometown along and then go on national tv like a *******. The biggest market in the country is NY you alienated there fan base by choosing the easy way out. The Bulls have no love for him and he is the most hated man in cleveland. For him to think people would appreciate him after the embarrasment he caused with his special just shows how dumb and disconnected he really is.

Be humble, try to form a sentence and don't refer to yourself as Lebron James.
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7/19/2010  12:12 PM
Jordan was correct when he said Kobe is better than LeScared James, and now's he's correct again on him going to Miami to join 2 stars.

Jordan is King.
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7/19/2010  12:16 PM
Sangfroid wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Markji wrote:
playa2 wrote:"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'" Jordan said ..... In all honesty, I was trying to beat those guys."

Jordan sums up the LeBrona-wimp perfectly. Great players go out and beat the competition; not cave-in and join them.

Markji , maybe I stand alone on this but when Jordan was playing along with bird and Magic, the owners of those teams got the players needed to help their star win it all. Can you honestly say the Cleveland did that ?

IMHO Jordan, Magic and Bird would all have opted out of their contract after 7 yrs if their respective owners and GM's didn't give them what they needed to win it all. Lebron got pimped by the owner in Cleveland this is why he added on an old shaq and a non real playoff battle tested Antwan Jamison.

Those 3 guys were all about winning not getting close.

Lebron had the opportunity to decide which players he would play besides, not named bosh or wade. He refused to commit to the Cavaliers, even for his final year. By doing so, he scared off coachs and possible team mates that might have joined him. I crown these jokers, "The Scheme Team™", because that's all this collusive act was.

Good one- you have to trademark it, though, while you can.

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7/19/2010  12:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2010  12:19 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Markji wrote:
playa2 wrote:"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'" Jordan said ..... In all honesty, I was trying to beat those guys."

Jordan sums up the LeBrona-wimp perfectly. Great players go out and beat the competition; not cave-in and join them.

Markji , maybe I stand alone on this but when Jordan was playing along with bird and Magic, the owners of those teams got the players needed to help their star win it all. Can you honestly say the Cleveland did that ?


I agree but that doesn't mean he had to team up with Wade and Bosh. He could have gone to a different, well-run organization and tried to beat Wade and Bosh. I think he's motivated to win but I don't think he's motivated to *beat other top players and show that he's the best player* in the game.

You can't beat other top players unless your owner wants to. You guys act like Lebron owned the Cavaliers. As a player you can only win a championship when your OWNER wants to win as bad as you do.

I can't believe some of these lame comments.

You make it sound like his only two options were play for the Cavs or be Wade's sidekick in Miami. You can't really think that none of the other 28 teams wanted him!

Bonn as an unrestricted FA, he labored and lost with a team that had no other vets who were in their prime to play along side Lebron. Name one of the 3 Jordan, Magic, Bird who didn't have vets in their prime playing next to them ? This is comical to even debate. All those guys were darlings of the League and all those guys had owners who knew what they needed to compete to beat the top team in the other conference. Why did Lebron have to choose another team outside of Miami to play with ? He knows Riley is about winning and so is wade, why not try to win rings now before he gets old or an injury. LA GOT Gasol and Artest To go along with Kobe, Odom and Bynum. Boston got KG and Ray Allen to go along with Piearce. Stop the madness this is what players do now.

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7/19/2010  12:20 PM
MS - the announcement on ESPN was consistent with similar high school signing ceremonies and the blatant attention Lebron has received ( not manufactured) since his nationally televised high school games

was it intelligent to leave Cleveland?

Would you have stayed?

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7/19/2010  12:29 PM
The Cavs coddled James for his entire tenure there.
They let his idiot friends run amok and let James have allot of input on their personnel decisions.
James created what he had around him... He just could not win a 7 game series when it counted.
So he packed it in and turned his back on what he helped create to play sidekick to someone with actual grit... Wade.
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7/19/2010  12:30 PM
MS wrote:Earl I think it has everything to do with the decision. He portrays himself savy business man and an intelligent person. He should have been able to figure outwhat he meant to the people of Cleveland.

Christ even a child would have been able to realize if you are going to destroy the franchise you do it quitely you don't make a production out of it string your hometown along and then go on national tv like a *******. The biggest market in the country is NY you alienated there fan base by choosing the easy way out. The Bulls have no love for him and he is the most hated man in cleveland. For him to think people would appreciate him after the embarrasment he caused with his special just shows how dumb and disconnected he really is.

Be humble, try to form a sentence and don't refer to yourself as Lebron James.


Good stuff here^^... Be humble, don't mumble, and refer to yourself as "I," not "he," or in James' case "She."

Got it.

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7/19/2010  12:40 PM
Just The Facts

"The Cavs coddled James for his entire tenure there.
They let his idiot friends run amok and let James have allot of input on their personnel decisions."

nyvector - you have any valid facts to support this?

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7/19/2010  12:54 PM
Jordan Barkley and Magic and all those old heads need to think again and ask themselves if they played now what would make them stay with the same team that drafted them, compared to when they actually played in their prime 20 yrs ago . The league is run a little different now, players don't tell the owners what to do now, but they get paid top dollar.

Back then Bird Magic and Jordan told the owners what to do or else they would leave. Jordan did just that after he won multiple rings and made his owner tons of money, heck they were still sold out after Jordan left.

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7/19/2010  12:58 PM
Playa,

Labored for years? They had the best record the last few years. ITs not like the team sucked.
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7/19/2010  12:59 PM
misterearl wrote:Just The Facts

"The Cavs coddled James for his entire tenure there.
They let his idiot friends run amok and let James have allot of input on their personnel decisions."

nyvector - you have any valid facts to support this?


Probably Wojo- I seem to recall reading the same thing when he wrote an article after Gilbert's web tirade following "Le decision."
Don't have the article's url.
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7/19/2010  2:46 PM
Nalod wrote:Playa,
Labored for years? They had the best record the last few years. ITs not like the team sucked.

So are you saying that LeBron wasn't working on a plantation for Massa Gilbert?? You mean that LeBron didn't get pimped by his owner??

By the way, does anyone really believe that LeBron did not have some kind of hand in who the Cavs were adding around him?

Playa has to create a narrative for why James chose to leave. He has to blame someone else for LeBron's choice- LeBron can't seem to be the bad guy. In Playa's mind James needs a reason to turn his back on his team- Cleveland's ownership not doing its job- it can't be a failure on James' part, because if it was, he could not leave the Cavs on the terms he did.

Of course on another forum, Playa almost revels in the idea that Little James, Baby Bosh, and Big Daddy Wade had planned this for years. In essence, Playa validates Sangfroid's Scheme Team™ label, with no comment that Miami did nothing to build a contending team around Wade prior to a few weeks ago:


PLAYA 2U.....07-09-2010 06:14 PM (Knicks City)

How could Lebron go and play with his friends in a S&T deal that would have brought on anybody miami didn't want ?

Wade Bosh, and Himself talked about this at the olympics and knew the only way it would work is if those two waited it out and become unrestricted free agents.

This was the only way they could have got the three of them and added the players miami wanted to be there for the 2010 season.
Riley, Wade are winners, winners think ahead, Lebron is now about to grow up in the League bigtime and become a winner!



Here Playa is basically saying- "Hey, these 3 guys used their brains and Wade's relationship with Riley and Bosh to scheme their way into a situation that no owner or GM would have entered into without a guarantee that Bosh would follow Wade, and James would follow Wade and Bosh because he does not have the personal fortitude to go at it alone."

Here Playa does not really blame the Cavs, but seemingly gives credit to a plan that clearly involved collusion, IMO.


The simple fact is that just as he has taken his game down south to South Beach, James' legacy as a "great" has gone down south in a way that will forever diminish him as a player and, perhaps more importantly, as a man.

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7/19/2010  2:58 PM
playa2 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Markji wrote:
playa2 wrote:"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'" Jordan said ..... In all honesty, I was trying to beat those guys."

Jordan sums up the LeBrona-wimp perfectly. Great players go out and beat the competition; not cave-in and join them.

Markji , maybe I stand alone on this but when Jordan was playing along with bird and Magic, the owners of those teams got the players needed to help their star win it all. Can you honestly say the Cleveland did that ?


I agree but that doesn't mean he had to team up with Wade and Bosh. He could have gone to a different, well-run organization and tried to beat Wade and Bosh. I think he's motivated to win but I don't think he's motivated to *beat other top players and show that he's the best player* in the game.

You can't beat other top players unless your owner wants to. You guys act like Lebron owned the Cavaliers. As a player you can only win a championship when your OWNER wants to win as bad as you do.

I can't believe some of these lame comments.

You make it sound like his only two options were play for the Cavs or be Wade's sidekick in Miami. You can't really think that none of the other 28 teams wanted him!

Bonn as an unrestricted FA, he labored and lost with a team that had no other vets who were in their prime to play along side Lebron. Name one of the 3 Jordan, Magic, Bird who didn't have vets in their prime playing next to them ? This is comical to even debate. All those guys were darlings of the League and all those guys had owners who knew what they needed to compete to beat the top team in the other conference. Why did Lebron have to choose another team outside of Miami to play with ? He knows Riley is about winning and so is wade, why not try to win rings now before he gets old or an injury. LA GOT Gasol and Artest To go along with Kobe, Odom and Bynum. Boston got KG and Ray Allen to go along with Piearce. Stop the madness this is what players do now.


He could have forced an S & T with Phoenix to play with Nash or Dallas to play with Dirk. Cuban is definitely an owner motivated to win. That wouldn't have hurt his legacy but he'd be joining good teams. Or maybe Utah to play with Deron for many years. Or NO to play with Paul.
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7/19/2010  3:00 PM
Not to defend Lebron James or anything. Im pretty sure there was a time right before Jordan got Scottie Pippen. When he wanted out of Chicago because they weren't winning in the playoffs.

If the bulls never got Pippen and Jordan did leave as a free agent or something, I can bet you he would have signed with at least one star to play alongside of.

The difference is Jordan would handled it differently though as Jordan is a lot more open and direct about his intentions and would not have lead or pissed as many people off.

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7/19/2010  3:01 PM
Also, the mere fact that he joined Miami *after* Bosh and Wade signed there, really makes it look like he just wanted to take the safest, easiest path. If he'd announced his decision together with Wade and Bosh to join Miami, it wouldn't have looked nearly as bad. But he needed the spotlight to announce The Decision instead, and that will hurt his legacy in the long-run
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newyorknewyork wrote:Not to defend Lebron James or anything. Im pretty sure there was a time right before Jordan got Scottie Pippen. When he wanted out of Chicago because they weren't winning in the playoffs.

If the bulls never got Pippen and Jordan did leave as a free agent or something, I can bet you he would have signed with at least one star to play alongside of.

The difference is Jordan would handled it differently though as Jordan is a lot more open and direct about his intentions and would not have lead or pissed as many people off.


That's basically along the lines of what I was saying in the next message. If you think you're so great as to demand a one hour show to announce your FA decision, it's logically contradictory to announce in that decision that you're going to follow two other stars who made up their minds first.
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7/19/2010  3:21 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Markji wrote:
playa2 wrote:"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'" Jordan said ..... In all honesty, I was trying to beat those guys."

Jordan sums up the LeBrona-wimp perfectly. Great players go out and beat the competition; not cave-in and join them.

Markji , maybe I stand alone on this but when Jordan was playing along with bird and Magic, the owners of those teams got the players needed to help their star win it all. Can you honestly say the Cleveland did that ?


I agree but that doesn't mean he had to team up with Wade and Bosh. He could have gone to a different, well-run organization and tried to beat Wade and Bosh. I think he's motivated to win but I don't think he's motivated to *beat other top players and show that he's the best player* in the game.

You can't beat other top players unless your owner wants to. You guys act like Lebron owned the Cavaliers. As a player you can only win a championship when your OWNER wants to win as bad as you do.

I can't believe some of these lame comments.

You make it sound like his only two options were play for the Cavs or be Wade's sidekick in Miami. You can't really think that none of the other 28 teams wanted him!

Bonn as an unrestricted FA, he labored and lost with a team that had no other vets who were in their prime to play along side Lebron. Name one of the 3 Jordan, Magic, Bird who didn't have vets in their prime playing next to them ? This is comical to even debate. All those guys were darlings of the League and all those guys had owners who knew what they needed to compete to beat the top team in the other conference. Why did Lebron have to choose another team outside of Miami to play with ? He knows Riley is about winning and so is wade, why not try to win rings now before he gets old or an injury. LA GOT Gasol and Artest To go along with Kobe, Odom and Bynum. Boston got KG and Ray Allen to go along with Piearce. Stop the madness this is what players do now.


He could have forced an S & T with Phoenix to play with Nash or Dallas to play with Dirk. Cuban is definitely an owner motivated to win. That wouldn't have hurt his legacy but he'd be joining good teams. Or maybe Utah to play with Deron for many years. Or NO to play with Paul.

These guys are actually friends(Bosh-wade-lebron), what's wrong with guys wanting to play for once with their friends ?

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7/19/2010  3:21 PM
Barkley is just jealous and Jordan has a Legacy to lose.
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7/19/2010  3:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2010  3:24 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Not to defend Lebron James or anything. Im pretty sure there was a time right before Jordan got Scottie Pippen. When he wanted out of Chicago because they weren't winning in the playoffs.

If the bulls never got Pippen and Jordan did leave as a free agent or something, I can bet you he would have signed with at least one star to play alongside of.

The difference is Jordan would handled it differently though as Jordan is a lot more open and direct about his intentions and would not have lead or pissed as many people off.

The difference is reinsdorf was smarter than clevelands owner, he got Jordan the pieces he needed(so he wouldn't leave) not some regular season all league players who can't muster up enough to win come 2nd season.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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ramtour420 wrote:Barkley is just jealous and Jordan has a Legacy to lose.

hahaha, not like CB didnt force a trade to a better team or anything...

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