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Ira
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7/18/2010  6:19 PM
While it's possible we can win a game against them, I can't see us coming close to beating them in a seven game series.
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JrZyHuStLa
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7/18/2010  6:20 PM
misterearl wrote:Jrzyhustla - typical loser/ whiner/ crybaby frame of mind

and you have the nerve to want tough players with conviction?

Bring on the Heat!

It took you a while to realize I was right about Eddy Curry. I'm glad I convinced you.

Maybe you'll eventually realize we're not anywhere near as talented as the Miami Heat as well.

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7/18/2010  6:46 PM
misterearl wrote:Jrzyhustla - typical loser/ whiner/ crybaby frame of mind

and you have the nerve to want tough players with conviction?

Bring on the Heat!

Lebron and Wade single handedly owned us for the last how many years? I don't expect to beat both of them with our current team next year.

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7/18/2010  7:04 PM
TMS wrote:the only chance this roster has of beating a team like the Heat in any playoff series is if Lebron Wade goes down to injury & we're at full health... as for a regular season game, any team in the NBA can beat any other on any given night, but the cream usually rises to the top in the postseason.

Fixed it- much more likely to happen.

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7/18/2010  7:17 PM
I know it seems like we're just gonna be outclassed, but that is because we're stuck with the only memory of our team being the last 2-10 years. This will be a much different team we'll be looking at. For one thing the confidence level of a guy like Amar'e will be infectious. He doesn't consider himself a loser and he walks around with a confidence that winners have. I fully expect that he along with vets like Felton and Turiaf can help to improve the mental part of our teams game. Instead of a low key lead player like Lee, we have a brash and forceful player in Amar'e and to a lesser extent Turiaf. Felton is such an upgrade over Duhon that it's not even funny. The one good thing we have in our favor is gonna be more defensive players throughout the rotation. literally everyone in our top 9 can and does play D very well. Amar'e, Felton, Gallo, Chandler, TD, Turiaf, AR, AZ, Walker. Every last one has very good to great athletic ability. Gallo is the least athletic guy and even he's not that bad.

I think this team will be far more competitive than we're used to seeing our teams be. It won't be like we're helpless looking as we've looked in the past. Yeah we have no way of really stopping Wade and Lebron, but I'm expecting a far more effective perimeter defense backed up by more able help defenders than we've had in a decade.
Aside from Felton and AZ everyone of our other rotation guys can and will block shots. We've never had this many guys who have the ability to do that. It should help a lot and give this team a much better chance to win games. Our likely weapon of choice will be a zone that will keep Wade n Lebron out on the perimeter and force them to shoot jumpers.

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7/18/2010  7:18 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
TMS wrote:the only chance this roster has of beating a team like the Heat in any playoff series is if Lebron Wade goes down to injury & we're at full health... as for a regular season game, any team in the NBA can beat any other on any given night, but the cream usually rises to the top in the postseason.

Fixed it- much more likely to happen.

i don't think there's any chance the Knicks could beat a Miami team with a healthy Lebron & Bosh

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7/18/2010  7:24 PM
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I've been thinking that the way to attack the problem is to put AR on LeBron. This creates a height disadvantage in our favor. LeBron' jumpshot is not money. With Randolph to shoot over, his game becomes sub par.

Same basic thought- some differences:
I think Gallo and Randolph can both work to deal with James, and if Zee is the center, you can have Randolph or Gallo play that position and they will punish him on the offensive end, while also getting a hand in his face when he takes his jumper- which is all he has left at this point.

So you start with Randolph on James- his only job being to keep James in front of him. If he has trouble or needs a rest, do the same with Gallinari. We put a hand in his face, but don't care if James shoots over him-that is actually what we want. Let Gallo or Randolph guard Zee, and Amare takes on Bosh. I might even think about Felton on Wade although the size difference is probably too difficult to overcome- Wade loses a lot of his impact by having to play without the ball, however you look at it, though. If he takes Felton down low, you make sure that Chandler or Azubuike take over the job and go from there. Miller's man, be it Chandler, Azubuike, or Felton, or maybe Douglas stays on him like a pit bull on a poodle. Make the other players on the team hit from the outside-you don't give Miller that chance.

I think we do pretty well against them offensively. James and Wade are their only real defenders, and if they play Chalmers too long, you can play the zone and not have to worry about getting burned by Miller. If they are hurting because of the Z/Gallo-Randolph matchup and you bring in Haslem you lose an outside shooter in Z, and Gallo or Randolph can also face up and drive on Haslem or dish off as need be.

Knicks have a lot of length on D. If MDA is creative- and he actually showed this by the way he used Jeffries and Gallo to compensate for Duhon- we can cause trouble for their offense.

We have not seen how the big three will fit together, and 1+1 may actually be 1.5, and not 2, when you put James and Wade on the same floor. The same doubts I had for Rose and James go for Wade and James, and they both need to put up shots to get in a flow. Means that Bosh is a bystander, a role most fitting for him, but not one for an outside shooting big man whose best weapon is his jumper.

I've crunched all the numbers, using sophisticated variables and calculations that few can comprehend, and Miami is beatable.

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7/18/2010  7:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/18/2010  8:10 PM
I think they have a chance of getting a W at the Garden. Lebron has shown that he can be rattled. He's had some big games at MSG but that was against one of the worst teams in the league year in and year out. Its not like the Knicks are contenders now but they are better in almost every department. Guys like Turiaf and Randolph should be amped for this matchup and make it harder on their frontcourt. Buike should draw the defense away from the paint, he also has a nice mid-range shot off the dribble.

D'antoni might expand his rotation in this case and keep throwing fresh bodies at the big three and try to wear them out. No easy task but this team doesn't look like it will go down without at least a fight. They better not.

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7/18/2010  8:07 PM
If Kniks will play team bbal and Miamy not Miamy will be beat every time.
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7/18/2010  8:08 PM
Despite the Heat's talent, some remain skeptical. Former NBA guard Wally Szczerbiak, James' former teammate, told Sirius XM Radio that a Wade/James pairing is ``not going to work. No way. When Wade's dribbling the ball up top, calling for a high pick-and-roll, and LeBron's standing in the corner, no one's going to guard LeBron. He's not a floor spacer. He's not a guy you have to pay attention to at the three-point line. He needs the ball in his hands . . . and there's only one basketball. As an opposing player, I would be so motivated to kick these guys' butts.'' Miami Herald
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7/18/2010  8:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/18/2010  8:14 PM
JrzyhustlA scores a valuable point in the "I'm right and you're not" game

"It took you a while to realize I was right about Eddy Curry. I'm glad I convinced you.
Maybe you'll eventually realize we're not anywhere near as talented as the Miami Heat as well."

Hilarious

Jrzyhus - big deal. I predicted that Starks would head butt Reggie, Camby for Oakley was a smart move by Grunfeld, Clyde and Earl would share the rock, David Lee was a great draft selection, Bernard was not done, Michael Ray and Ray Williams would take turns throwing alley oop passes, Toney Douglas would do what Toney Douglas do, tampering with George McGinnis was a mistake and that Willis Reed would play game 7

... after watching summer league 2007 in person, I predicted The Mayor would be that good

I predict Mozgov will be picking and rolling by November to the tune of 15 points per game, Sugar Ray Felton will make us forget Chris whathisname, Eddy Curry will be dropped like second period French, there will never be another training camp scrap like the one between Xavier McDaniel and Mase and that somebody will get hurt before the season starts

one more thing


Fuck Miami

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7/18/2010  9:13 PM
I don't care if we win the games, I just want to beat the heat. no free layups. no dancing on the sidelines. no fans cheering for lebron. thats over now. god help them if they start a night/day back to back in NY...cause they should feel ny like a hangover the next day. i want it to hurt.
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7/18/2010  9:40 PM
What EwingGlass said

New Rules

1. Anyone who dares to wear a Lebron jersey in The Garden should be tormented

2. No layups. Actually, this is a new "old school" rule

3. No cheering for the other team. This includes Kobe

4. No Lebron baby powder ceremony in The Garden. Bring a spray bottle if you are in the first two rows

5. If any Knicks player is fouled hard and knocked down, he jumps up to the roar of the crowd

6 Any fan thinking like a loser is prohibited

Beat Miami down!

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7/18/2010  9:48 PM
7. If Knicks fans want players who leave it all on the court, turn off your damn cel phone and get loud

8. Our bench is good. Cheer for the first Knicks player who reports to the scorers table

9. Young guys need encouragement. Show them some love when they make a "hustle" mistake

10. First Knicks player to dive after a loose ball vets a standing ovation

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7/18/2010  9:50 PM
misterearl wrote:What EwingGlass said

New Rules

1. Anyone who dares to wear a Lebron jersey in The Garden should be tormented

2. No layups. Actually, this is a new "old school" rule

3. No cheering for the other team. This includes Kobe

4. No Lebron baby powder ceremony in The Garden. Bring a spray bottle if you are in the first two rows

5. If any Knicks player is fouled hard and knocked down, he jumps up to the roar of the crowd

6 Any fan thinking like a loser is prohibited

Beat Miami down!

Misterearl you forgot the most important of all things No Knick's player is allowed to be awestruck by the opponents superstar. That means no God damned 60 point efforts and no 50 point efforts allowed. If the Knicks are to beat Miami its going to be up to Gallo and Chandler to step up big time.

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7/18/2010  9:51 PM
11. free tacos for scoring 110 points!
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7/18/2010  9:52 PM
VMart - see rules 2 and 3
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7/18/2010  9:53 PM
12. when lil leo has the ball outside the 3-point line, eveyone yells, "layup!"
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7/18/2010  9:55 PM
13. boo all opposing plyaers but especially hassan whiteside, bj mullens and (bwahahahaha) hasheem thabeet.
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7/18/2010  9:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/18/2010  9:57 PM
14 First ridiculously hard breakaway technical foul given by Mosgov on Bosh and everyone in section 332 receives free, large pepperoni pizza with an extra topping
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