BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Uptown wrote:The piling on of James is becomming a bit too much. We all know he didn't handle the situation with Cleveland the right way but he didn't owe NY or Chi fans anything. He never promised us anything so the moving of bodies to clear cap space is on our GM's not him. The hate he is receiving from NY fans (especially over at realgm, especially avi's of burning jerseys etc.) is way too much. Get over it already.

It is funny how it's all changed now that he scorned us. Here's the irony. The part that burned me in the article was how he was a PITA as a rookie on the Olympic team. He was a whinny bitch about taking a backseat to all star veterans when he was just a rookie out of high school. I didn't like it way back then, but the tweens on RGM hated me for siding with bad 'ol Larry Brown for making rookies like Bron and Wade backups to veteran all-stars. Now they want to burn his jersey.

We can't have it both ways. We can't enable prima donnas their whole careers and then bitch when their entitlement complexes work against us. Players need to pay dues, they need to respect those who've come before them. Bending over for these bitchos and making them bigger than the league is a mistake.

It's not just about Bron, but he exemplifies where the league is heading.

except larry's job was to win at the olympics, which he didn’t do. it's hard to justify sitting lebron, wade and melo, especially when your offense consists of your pg (douchebury) hoisting to the tune of 30-plus points.

Rookies were invited on to observe, learn, respect; not to upstage veteran all-stars and HOF coaches.

Marbury, Iverson, Jefferson, Duncan, Odom, Amare, et al, rightly had first dibs.

The Rookies got fair minutes, behind the veterans, and there's no evidence that handing it over to 18-19 year old babies like Bron and Melo would have gotten a better result. Personally, I'd rather lose the thing once and build a better institution going forward (as we did) than win it while paving the way for babies in diapers to run roughshod over the coaches, as we were headed.

What can I say, some of you would let an 18 year old LeBron and his entourage run the league and the olympic committee. Count me out.

u don’t know if that was the case. they’re gonna take up 3 roster spots to have players observe?? lb wasn’t getting good performances out of a lot of his vets. it appeared that he wouldn’t use available talent out of his own quirks and whims.

It was post 9/11, lots of vets were begging out and Brown got sandbagged by too many immature prima donnas at once.

Brown sucked, but that team was really poorly put together. Not a legitimate PG, or even playmaker, in the group, nor pure shooters. It was was a nasty mess of redundancy, over dribblers and babies in diapers.

agreed!!

Marv wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Uptown wrote:The piling on of James is becomming a bit too much. We all know he didn't handle the situation with Cleveland the right way but he didn't owe NY or Chi fans anything. He never promised us anything so the moving of bodies to clear cap space is on our GM's not him. The hate he is receiving from NY fans (especially over at realgm, especially avi's of burning jerseys etc.) is way too much. Get over it already.

It is funny how it's all changed now that he scorned us. Here's the irony. The part that burned me in the article was how he was a PITA as a rookie on the Olympic team. He was a whinny bitch about taking a backseat to all star veterans when he was just a rookie out of high school. I didn't like it way back then, but the tweens on RGM hated me for siding with bad 'ol Larry Brown for making rookies like Bron and Wade backups to veteran all-stars. Now they want to burn his jersey.

We can't have it both ways. We can't enable prima donnas their whole careers and then bitch when their entitlement complexes work against us. Players need to pay dues, they need to respect those who've come before them. Bending over for these bitchos and making them bigger than the league is a mistake.

It's not just about Bron, but he exemplifies where the league is heading.

except larry's job was to win at the olympics, which he didn’t do. it's hard to justify sitting lebron, wade and melo, especially when your offense consists of your pg (douchebury) hoisting to the tune of 30-plus points.

Rookies were invited on to observe, learn, respect; not to upstage veteran all-stars and HOF coaches.

Marbury, Iverson, Jefferson, Duncan, Odom, Amare, et al, rightly had first dibs.

The Rookies got fair minutes, behind the veterans, and there's no evidence that handing it over to 18-19 year old babies like Bron and Melo would have gotten a better result. Personally, I'd rather lose the thing once and build a better institution going forward (as we did) than win it while paving the way for babies in diapers to run roughshod over the coaches, as we were headed.

What can I say, some of you would let an 18 year old LeBron and his entourage run the league and the olympic committee. Count me out.

u don’t know if that was the case. they’re gonna take up 3 roster spots to have players observe?? lb wasn’t getting good performances out of a lot of his vets. it appeared that he wouldn’t use available talent out of his own quirks and whims.

It was post 9/11, lots of vets were begging out and Brown got sandbagged by too many immature prima donnas at once.

Brown sucked, but that team was really poorly put together. Not a legitimate PG, or even playmaker, in the group, nor pure shooters. It was was a nasty mess of redundancy, over dribblers and babies in diapers.

agreed!!

Me too. Brown was the wrong guy for that team and that team was wrong for Brown. They needed someone crazy for that team, like Nellie. Not that he'd have won with them, but it'd been worth it to see his hair on fire.

Lets put it this way, Lou Gerhig was a great great player who took care of himself, ate well and was a complete professional. Babe liked to eat, drink and hit home runs. Both Died miserable deaths, but while Gehrig was respected and appreciated as any hero, the Babe was LOVED!! Nyers love big dudes that have bravado and back it up. If Lebron was here we'd be telling Cleveland to flip off and taking smack about our new God!

We love sports heroes and we create them.

What is different this time is Lebron embarrassed a lot of people. Powerful people. Jay-z, The Russian, Dolan (little **** has power)Dan the Cav Man, Spike, Ocho, Bulls, Clips, and a lot of media. People with power don't like to be made the fool.

Market polls show he has gained name recognition but lost very little image.

Question is do fans, media and sponsers ride his gravy train or derail it?

I say they ride that sucker to the bank!

Cash wrote:tkf...love to read your analysis but your really need to take your talents to south beach and chill out.

LOL....

tkf wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Uptown wrote:The piling on of James is becomming a bit too much. We all know he didn't handle the situation with Cleveland the right way but he didn't owe NY or Chi fans anything. He never promised us anything so the moving of bodies to clear cap space is on our GM's not him. The hate he is receiving from NY fans (especially over at realgm, especially avi's of burning jerseys etc.) is way too much. Get over it already.

It is funny how it's all changed now that he scorned us. Here's the irony. The part that burned me in the article was how he was a PITA as a rookie on the Olympic team. He was a whinny bitch about taking a backseat to all star veterans when he was just a rookie out of high school. I didn't like it way back then, but the tweens on RGM hated me for siding with bad 'ol Larry Brown for making rookies like Bron and Wade backups to veteran all-stars. Now they want to burn his jersey.

We can't have it both ways. We can't enable prima donnas their whole careers and then bitch when their entitlement complexes work against us. Players need to pay dues, they need to respect those who've come before them. Bending over for these bitchos and making them bigger than the league is a mistake.

It's not just about Bron, but he exemplifies where the league is heading.

well bluest, most folks on realgm blamed larry for the knicks being bad.. they blamed larry before Isiah and marbury.. LOL.... You know I was one of the few that defended brown and I remember exactly what you are talking about here..

funny thing is, that people feel lebron is being piled on, but honestly, this is years of mess that has been covered up and brushed aside... lebron made a fool of fans, GM's and heck even the media... that type of ish comes back to bite you.... even lebron is not that big to get away with it..

You called him bluest....LOL

But I agree here and TKF you know I was never a fan of acquiring Lebron from the get go. I called him a LOSER, EGO MANIAC, LOSER, FOLDS UNDER PRESSURE, LOSER, OVERRATED TALENT, LOSER, IMMATURE, LOSER

You had fans salavating at the mouth to get him even after watching him try desperately to get a triple double in the Garden snatching the rebound out of Ben Wallace's hand(cheering him), after he was launching 35-40ftrs at Quicken Loans Arena, after calling the team saying "We Don't Play No Defense", after supposedly clowning our Presentation, after watching him choke against the Celtics, after Elbow Gate, after getting info about his Wack TEAM....

So many signs were there

Matter of fact fans on RealGM even joined in on a thread that said if Lebron does this again in 3yrs would you sign him and a large amount said YES!

We just have to accept our fans base for what it is overall extremely Fickle. There are obviously some great loyal fans but the city doesn't have good representation and always wants the Big Splash even if it doesn't make sense.

Juice wrote:

tkf wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Uptown wrote:The piling on of James is becomming a bit too much. We all know he didn't handle the situation with Cleveland the right way but he didn't owe NY or Chi fans anything. He never promised us anything so the moving of bodies to clear cap space is on our GM's not him. The hate he is receiving from NY fans (especially over at realgm, especially avi's of burning jerseys etc.) is way too much. Get over it already.

It is funny how it's all changed now that he scorned us. Here's the irony. The part that burned me in the article was how he was a PITA as a rookie on the Olympic team. He was a whinny bitch about taking a backseat to all star veterans when he was just a rookie out of high school. I didn't like it way back then, but the tweens on RGM hated me for siding with bad 'ol Larry Brown for making rookies like Bron and Wade backups to veteran all-stars. Now they want to burn his jersey.

We can't have it both ways. We can't enable prima donnas their whole careers and then bitch when their entitlement complexes work against us. Players need to pay dues, they need to respect those who've come before them. Bending over for these bitchos and making them bigger than the league is a mistake.

It's not just about Bron, but he exemplifies where the league is heading.

well bluest, most folks on realgm blamed larry for the knicks being bad.. they blamed larry before Isiah and marbury.. LOL.... You know I was one of the few that defended brown and I remember exactly what you are talking about here..

funny thing is, that people feel lebron is being piled on, but honestly, this is years of mess that has been covered up and brushed aside... lebron made a fool of fans, GM's and heck even the media... that type of ish comes back to bite you.... even lebron is not that big to get away with it..

You called him bluest....LOL

But I agree here and TKF you know I was never a fan of acquiring Lebron from the get go. I called him a LOSER, EGO MANIAC, LOSER, FOLDS UNDER PRESSURE, LOSER, OVERRATED TALENT, LOSER, IMMATURE, LOSER

You had fans salavating at the mouth to get him even after watching him try desperately to get a triple double in the Garden snatching the rebound out of Ben Wallace's hand(cheering him), after he was launching 35-40ftrs at Quicken Loans Arena, after calling the team saying "We Don't Play No Defense", after supposedly clowning our Presentation, after watching him choke against the Celtics, after Elbow Gate, after getting info about his Wack TEAM....

So many signs were there

Matter of fact fans on RealGM even joined in on a thread that said if Lebron does this again in 3yrs would you sign him and a large amount said YES!

We just have to accept our fans base for what it is overall extremely Fickle. There are obviously some great loyal fans but the city doesn't have good representation and always wants the Big Splash even if it doesn't make sense.

not sure how wanting Lebron in NY makes you any less of a loyal fan than thinking he was all wrong for this city... what signs were there to tell you he'd take the easy way out rather than taking on & facing the challenge before his "Decision"? please do share.

Juice wrote:

tkf wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Uptown wrote:The piling on of James is becomming a bit too much. We all know he didn't handle the situation with Cleveland the right way but he didn't owe NY or Chi fans anything. He never promised us anything so the moving of bodies to clear cap space is on our GM's not him. The hate he is receiving from NY fans (especially over at realgm, especially avi's of burning jerseys etc.) is way too much. Get over it already.

It is funny how it's all changed now that he scorned us. Here's the irony. The part that burned me in the article was how he was a PITA as a rookie on the Olympic team. He was a whinny bitch about taking a backseat to all star veterans when he was just a rookie out of high school. I didn't like it way back then, but the tweens on RGM hated me for siding with bad 'ol Larry Brown for making rookies like Bron and Wade backups to veteran all-stars. Now they want to burn his jersey.

We can't have it both ways. We can't enable prima donnas their whole careers and then bitch when their entitlement complexes work against us. Players need to pay dues, they need to respect those who've come before them. Bending over for these bitchos and making them bigger than the league is a mistake.

It's not just about Bron, but he exemplifies where the league is heading.

well bluest, most folks on realgm blamed larry for the knicks being bad.. they blamed larry before Isiah and marbury.. LOL.... You know I was one of the few that defended brown and I remember exactly what you are talking about here..

funny thing is, that people feel lebron is being piled on, but honestly, this is years of mess that has been covered up and brushed aside... lebron made a fool of fans, GM's and heck even the media... that type of ish comes back to bite you.... even lebron is not that big to get away with it..

You called him bluest....LOL

But I agree here and TKF you know I was never a fan of acquiring Lebron from the get go. I called him a LOSER, EGO MANIAC, LOSER, FOLDS UNDER PRESSURE, LOSER, OVERRATED TALENT, LOSER, IMMATURE, LOSER

You had fans salavating at the mouth to get him even after watching him try desperately to get a triple double in the Garden snatching the rebound out of Ben Wallace's hand(cheering him), after he was launching 35-40ftrs at Quicken Loans Arena, after calling the team saying "We Don't Play No Defense", after supposedly clowning our Presentation, after watching him choke against the Celtics, after Elbow Gate, after getting info about his Wack TEAM....

So many signs were there

Matter of fact fans on RealGM even joined in on a thread that said if Lebron does this again in 3yrs would you sign him and a large amount said YES!

We just have to accept our fans base for what it is overall extremely Fickle. There are obviously some great loyal fans but the city doesn't have good representation and always wants the Big Splash even if it doesn't make sense.

yea, the names are very close, my bad, but yea, I know there were several who really didn't care for lebron, you being one of them.. No lie, I said I would take him because he is an elite talent, but could care less if we didn't get him or not.... I was just so happy for that circus to be over...
And yes, you have many fans that will forget this happened, and if lebron were available in a few ywars would welcome him in a minute. I am at the point where I want to beat him and keep him from ever, winning a ring...

JohnWallace44 wrote:I really think that James is going to end up being a role player in this mess and I don't know if he'll be an effective one. How good is he really as an on ball defender, spot up shooter? Same for Bosh. When you have a primary scorer like Wade, I don't think that LeBron and Bosh are the players that you want on the wings.

They didn't really dominate in the Olympics. Carmelo and Wade were the best players. I don't know. It would be fun to see them get only as far as Cleveland did.

YEah. Carmelo really surprised me because he outshined Wade and Lebron, but Wade was clearly more important to the team than Lebron. Lebron has a facilitators game, so he is definitely going to take a backseat to Wade. I sure it will be fine the first year or so, but what happens in 3-4 years, when Wade is considered the best in the game and Lebron is considered Scottie Pippen. Is he going to be able to handle that?

TheGame wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:I really think that James is going to end up being a role player in this mess and I don't know if he'll be an effective one. How good is he really as an on ball defender, spot up shooter? Same for Bosh. When you have a primary scorer like Wade, I don't think that LeBron and Bosh are the players that you want on the wings.

They didn't really dominate in the Olympics. Carmelo and Wade were the best players. I don't know. It would be fun to see them get only as far as Cleveland did.

YEah. Carmelo really surprised me because he outshined Wade and Lebron, but Wade was clearly more important to the team than Lebron. Lebron has a facilitators game, so he is definitely going to take a backseat to Wade. I sure it will be fine the first year or so, but what happens in 3-4 years, when Wade is considered the best in the game and Lebron is considered Scottie Pippen. Is he going to be able to handle that?

He couldn't even handle Wade winning the MVP of the all-star game. What happens when Wade wins the MVP of the Finals?

Also, didn't Wade come off the bench for the Olympic team? He sacrificed his game for the benefit of the team. I think Miami would be even more dangerous if they just had LeBron/Bosh/Mike Miller in the starting lineup, and Wade off the bench. But would he be willing to take a backseat like Ginobili had done?