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7/15/2010  9:20 AM
Didn't Rautins twist his ankle after his dismal performance yesterday?

It's still early, but PEJ has shown stronger perseverance and more consistency than Rautins. I say cut him.
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7/15/2010  10:35 AM
Rautins is not an NBA talent, its a joke we even drafted him. He has no NBA skills whatsoever. He's not even a great jump shooter, which is something he's going to have to hang his hat on to have any chance. He only had one year at Cuse where he shot it real well from 3. People are under the assumption that he could be a JJ Redick type. He doesn't shoot it 1/10 as well as Redick
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7/15/2010  11:56 AM
Keep in mind that our crack training staff is beating the hell out of these Summer League guys.

I believe most just went thru 2 a days for a week to 10 days prior to the Vegas league starting up.

These young dudes - especially a shooter like Rautins - just may have dead legs.

Douglas and Walker have looked every bit as dissapointing as Rautins considering they are 2nd year guys.
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7/15/2010  12:05 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I am would 1) love to find space for scottie Reynolds, absolutely agree and 2) want to give Andy Rautins a chance.

Rautins is a 6'5" SG that has a jumpshot. Good Lord, give him a chance. He has a chance to be a 10-15 MPG player that can come in and hit outside shots. Maybe it wasn't the appropriate move but I'm willing to wait and see if it works out

He's a one trick pony and his trick isn't very good. If you think he can play D against NBA caliber players check out the footprint D Derozan left on his chin. You just dont give pick 38 a roster spot--he has to earn it. the best thing for Rautins career would be to go to Europe and learn the entire game against better competition than the NCAA. This was a fantasy pick believing that this was the 2nd coming of JJ Redick. JJ scored nearly 30 points a game as a senior and was not just a three point shooter in college. Rautins was a guy who did not do much until his senior year and STILL--I mean NBA????? Just because he has a quick release doesnt make him an NBA player and he has shown no other skills. He was scared to shoot it today--think about playing at even a harder level.

Fantasy pick ? Uh Hum cough cough AKA... Community Pick.

Somebody promised a favor to his father Leo Rautins.

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7/15/2010  12:07 PM
playa2 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I am would 1) love to find space for scottie Reynolds, absolutely agree and 2) want to give Andy Rautins a chance.

Rautins is a 6'5" SG that has a jumpshot. Good Lord, give him a chance. He has a chance to be a 10-15 MPG player that can come in and hit outside shots. Maybe it wasn't the appropriate move but I'm willing to wait and see if it works out

He's a one trick pony and his trick isn't very good. If you think he can play D against NBA caliber players check out the footprint D Derozan left on his chin. You just dont give pick 38 a roster spot--he has to earn it. the best thing for Rautins career would be to go to Europe and learn the entire game against better competition than the NCAA. This was a fantasy pick believing that this was the 2nd coming of JJ Redick. JJ scored nearly 30 points a game as a senior and was not just a three point shooter in college. Rautins was a guy who did not do much until his senior year and STILL--I mean NBA????? Just because he has a quick release doesnt make him an NBA player and he has shown no other skills. He was scared to shoot it today--think about playing at even a harder level.

Fantasy pick ? Uh Hum cough cough AKA... Community Pick.

Somebody promised a favor to his father Leo Rautins.

wtf does anyone from the knicks have to do with leo rautins. god damn you are becoming more like dido every day.

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7/15/2010  12:09 PM
Rautins doesn't have dead legs. He's just not that good a shooter. Never has been. I don't know where this thought pops up that his shooting ability is anything to write home about by NBA standards. Its the only thing he can do and he doesn't even do it that well. At Cuse the guy had ONE year where he shot it well from 3 (his senior season). Entering his senior season he was just a 35% career 3 point shooter behind a college line. He was a waste of a pick, if hes playing ball in 2 years it will be on another continent
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7/15/2010  12:19 PM
KnicksSince88 wrote:Rautins doesn't have dead legs. He's just not that good a shooter. Never has been. I don't know where this thought pops up that his shooting ability is anything to write home about by NBA standards. Its the only thing he can do and he doesn't even do it that well. At Cuse the guy had ONE year where he shot it well from 3 (his senior season). Entering his senior season he was just a 35% career 3 point shooter behind a college line. He was a waste of a pick, if hes playing ball in 2 years it will be on another continent

did you watch him much at Syracuse?

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7/15/2010  12:20 PM
KnicksSince88 wrote:Rautins doesn't have dead legs. He's just not that good a shooter. Never has been. I don't know where this thought pops up that his shooting ability is anything to write home about by NBA standards. Its the only thing he can do and he doesn't even do it that well. At Cuse the guy had ONE year where he shot it well from 3 (his senior season). Entering his senior season he was just a 35% career 3 point shooter behind a college line. He was a waste of a pick, if hes playing ball in 2 years it will be on another continent

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7/15/2010  12:24 PM
These guys drafted him as a pick and roll point guard, but he has yet to try that in the SL.
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7/15/2010  12:26 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
playa2 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I am would 1) love to find space for scottie Reynolds, absolutely agree and 2) want to give Andy Rautins a chance.

Rautins is a 6'5" SG that has a jumpshot. Good Lord, give him a chance. He has a chance to be a 10-15 MPG player that can come in and hit outside shots. Maybe it wasn't the appropriate move but I'm willing to wait and see if it works out

He's a one trick pony and his trick isn't very good. If you think he can play D against NBA caliber players check out the footprint D Derozan left on his chin. You just dont give pick 38 a roster spot--he has to earn it. the best thing for Rautins career would be to go to Europe and learn the entire game against better competition than the NCAA. This was a fantasy pick believing that this was the 2nd coming of JJ Redick. JJ scored nearly 30 points a game as a senior and was not just a three point shooter in college. Rautins was a guy who did not do much until his senior year and STILL--I mean NBA????? Just because he has a quick release doesnt make him an NBA player and he has shown no other skills. He was scared to shoot it today--think about playing at even a harder level.

Fantasy pick ? Uh Hum cough cough AKA... Community Pick.

Somebody promised a favor to his father Leo Rautins.

wtf does anyone from the knicks have to do with leo rautins. god damn you are becoming more like dido every day.

Leo's a member of the secret community...

...I think its known as the Illumiwhitey.

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7/15/2010  12:38 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
playa2 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I am would 1) love to find space for scottie Reynolds, absolutely agree and 2) want to give Andy Rautins a chance.

Rautins is a 6'5" SG that has a jumpshot. Good Lord, give him a chance. He has a chance to be a 10-15 MPG player that can come in and hit outside shots. Maybe it wasn't the appropriate move but I'm willing to wait and see if it works out

He's a one trick pony and his trick isn't very good. If you think he can play D against NBA caliber players check out the footprint D Derozan left on his chin. You just dont give pick 38 a roster spot--he has to earn it. the best thing for Rautins career would be to go to Europe and learn the entire game against better competition than the NCAA. This was a fantasy pick believing that this was the 2nd coming of JJ Redick. JJ scored nearly 30 points a game as a senior and was not just a three point shooter in college. Rautins was a guy who did not do much until his senior year and STILL--I mean NBA????? Just because he has a quick release doesnt make him an NBA player and he has shown no other skills. He was scared to shoot it today--think about playing at even a harder level.

Fantasy pick ? Uh Hum cough cough AKA... Community Pick.

Somebody promised a favor to his father Leo Rautins.

wtf does anyone from the knicks have to do with leo rautins. god damn you are becoming more like dido every day.

Leo's a member of the secret community...

...I think its known as the Illumiwhitey.

HAHAHAHAHA

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7/15/2010  12:38 PM
martin wrote:
KnicksSince88 wrote:Rautins doesn't have dead legs. He's just not that good a shooter. Never has been. I don't know where this thought pops up that his shooting ability is anything to write home about by NBA standards. Its the only thing he can do and he doesn't even do it that well. At Cuse the guy had ONE year where he shot it well from 3 (his senior season). Entering his senior season he was just a 35% career 3 point shooter behind a college line. He was a waste of a pick, if hes playing ball in 2 years it will be on another continent

did you watch him much at Syracuse?

Im not a big college basketball fan but his numbers speak for themselves. He did not, by any stretch of the imagination, display anything but an average perimeter shooting touch until his senior year. 35% behind a college line through his first 3 seasons, nothing whatsoever to write home about especially from a guy who will have to butter his bread on the next level on his shooting touch
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7/15/2010  12:40 PM
KnicksSince88 wrote:
martin wrote:
KnicksSince88 wrote:Rautins doesn't have dead legs. He's just not that good a shooter. Never has been. I don't know where this thought pops up that his shooting ability is anything to write home about by NBA standards. Its the only thing he can do and he doesn't even do it that well. At Cuse the guy had ONE year where he shot it well from 3 (his senior season). Entering his senior season he was just a 35% career 3 point shooter behind a college line. He was a waste of a pick, if hes playing ball in 2 years it will be on another continent

did you watch him much at Syracuse?

Im not a big college basketball fan but his numbers speak for themselves. He did not, by any stretch of the imagination, display anything but an average perimeter shooting touch until his senior year. 35% behind a college line through his first 3 seasons, nothing whatsoever to write home about especially from a guy who will have to butter his bread on the next level on his shooting touch

I didn't watch him either but over here in Western NY all I talk to tell me how more than half his 3pointers where from NBA land distance.

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JohnWallace44 wrote:These guys drafted him as a pick and roll point guard, but he has yet to try that in the SL.

Yup.

I'll say that they have not given him a chance to play it in a SL game because he has probably not shown the ability to play the position in in practice. Add to that, as someone pointed out, TD's inability to be the kind of PG who would enhance Rautin's game, and you have a poor performance by Andy.

I am very patient with young players, but in this case, I have to think about the fact that we might lose Marcus Landry, who I like as a reserve at SG/SF, if we don't decide to carry 15 players and put 2 or 3 into the DL.

I tend to think that they will keep Rautins to save face (not because of his face, playa2) since we passed on a number of people to pick him at #37, but I have no idea how many players Walsh will keep on our roster.

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7/15/2010  12:46 PM
martin wrote:
KnicksSince88 wrote:
martin wrote:
KnicksSince88 wrote:Rautins doesn't have dead legs. He's just not that good a shooter. Never has been. I don't know where this thought pops up that his shooting ability is anything to write home about by NBA standards. Its the only thing he can do and he doesn't even do it that well. At Cuse the guy had ONE year where he shot it well from 3 (his senior season). Entering his senior season he was just a 35% career 3 point shooter behind a college line. He was a waste of a pick, if hes playing ball in 2 years it will be on another continent

did you watch him much at Syracuse?

Im not a big college basketball fan but his numbers speak for themselves. He did not, by any stretch of the imagination, display anything but an average perimeter shooting touch until his senior year. 35% behind a college line through his first 3 seasons, nothing whatsoever to write home about especially from a guy who will have to butter his bread on the next level on his shooting touch

I didn't watch him either but over here in Western NY all I talk to tell me how more than half his 3pointers where from NBA land distance.

i was not high on rautins in any respect prior to his senior year. he had a VERY good year last year, definitely one that you thought woulda transition into an nba player. that's not to say he was ever going to be a starter anywhere, but certainly good enough to be on nba rosters. and yes martin, you are right, alot of his threes last year were from very deep and he was adept to running the offense. he DOES have a good shot both midrange and longrange and he has the ability to put the ball on the floor. he's not overly athletic and he's going to have work on his man defense since boeheim employs the 2-3. like i said though, definitely good enough to make a roster.

but like paladin said.. since andy is white, someone in the knicks organization is part of the illumiwhitey and owes a favor to his father, leo.

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7/15/2010  12:46 PM
martin wrote:
KnicksSince88 wrote:
martin wrote:
KnicksSince88 wrote:Rautins doesn't have dead legs. He's just not that good a shooter. Never has been. I don't know where this thought pops up that his shooting ability is anything to write home about by NBA standards. Its the only thing he can do and he doesn't even do it that well. At Cuse the guy had ONE year where he shot it well from 3 (his senior season). Entering his senior season he was just a 35% career 3 point shooter behind a college line. He was a waste of a pick, if hes playing ball in 2 years it will be on another continent

did you watch him much at Syracuse?

Im not a big college basketball fan but his numbers speak for themselves. He did not, by any stretch of the imagination, display anything but an average perimeter shooting touch until his senior year. 35% behind a college line through his first 3 seasons, nothing whatsoever to write home about especially from a guy who will have to butter his bread on the next level on his shooting touch

I didn't watch him either but over here in Western NY all I talk to tell me how more than half his 3pointers where from NBA land distance.

Well im sure they love him in Western NY. I have a couple friends there who are Cuse fans and can vividly recall them telling me nonsense about how Gerry Macnamara could have a career in the league. I just don't hold out any hopes for Rautins though. I see one borderline NBA skill and its not even efficient enough to carry him
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7/15/2010  12:48 PM
I bet they'll send him to Europe and retain his rights. I think the dude can play in a D.Fisher type role, but this may not be the time.
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7/15/2010  12:48 PM
It's easy to make practice shots or during drills if this is the only discernible skill one has. Someone tell me what Rautins does other than shoot. Name something he's good at on an NBA Level other than shooting which he's showing thus far he's not even good at this.


Can he run an NBA offense

Can he defend multiple positions well

Can he play above the rim

Can he overpower players

Can he use his speed as an advantage

Can he get his own shot

Can he penetrate on command

Can he play in the midrange area

Can he convert on a go to move


How is he different from Anthony Roberson?
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7/15/2010  12:54 PM
rvwink wrote:Last year, one of our "smart guys" embarrassed himself a little bit. Despite a college career in which Toney Douglas shot well, he determined that Toney Douglas couldn't shoot. He trusted his eyes over the stats for Toney's college career. He couldn't understand the possibility that maybe Toney was concentrating so hard on working on his passing, that his shooting suffered during the transition. The biggest obstacle for a player drafted as a back up point guard, who played shooting guard during his career is that patience is required.

Thanks to his work ethic and complete commitment to succeeding, Toney Douglas turned out to be a successful draft pick. Expecting a player to "look good" when they are changing how they play, is a mistake that the Knicks didn't make. They invested in the player's character, as well as his short term performance. What's the rush? Maybe he will become comfortable in his new role?

Smart guy also said pick one of Evans Curry or Derozan in that order--thus we would have Derozan and Dejuan Blair--guess what --the Knicks did not make superior picks.

Also Tony D showed something last year in SL--thats all you can ask for--show something---it's reasonable. Rautins has showed no skill he looks overwhelmed physically and his shot isn't there. TD was a solid pick but it really doesnt help us at PG. He's a 6th man with limited PG skills. Id much rather have Blair.

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7/15/2010  1:08 PM
KnicksSince88 wrote:
martin wrote:
KnicksSince88 wrote:
martin wrote:
KnicksSince88 wrote:Rautins doesn't have dead legs. He's just not that good a shooter. Never has been. I don't know where this thought pops up that his shooting ability is anything to write home about by NBA standards. Its the only thing he can do and he doesn't even do it that well. At Cuse the guy had ONE year where he shot it well from 3 (his senior season). Entering his senior season he was just a 35% career 3 point shooter behind a college line. He was a waste of a pick, if hes playing ball in 2 years it will be on another continent

did you watch him much at Syracuse?

Im not a big college basketball fan but his numbers speak for themselves. He did not, by any stretch of the imagination, display anything but an average perimeter shooting touch until his senior year. 35% behind a college line through his first 3 seasons, nothing whatsoever to write home about especially from a guy who will have to butter his bread on the next level on his shooting touch

I didn't watch him either but over here in Western NY all I talk to tell me how more than half his 3pointers where from NBA land distance.

Well im sure they love him in Western NY. I have a couple friends there who are Cuse fans and can vividly recall them telling me nonsense about how Gerry Macnamara could have a career in the league. I just don't hold out any hopes for Rautins though. I see one borderline NBA skill and its not even efficient enough to carry him

love has nothing to do with what I just told you, neither does Gerry Macnamara.

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