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foosballnick
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7/14/2010  11:03 AM
smackeddog wrote:After reading a few months ago about the surgery CP had, and from what I've heard from people who have had similar surgery, I wouldn't want th Knicks to trade for him. Here's a good article on it:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/354816-knee-issues-could-potentially-hinder-future-of-nba-all-star-paul

In a year or two he might be having major problems with his knee. Also, I don't actually trust him- If you remember Bron, Wade and Bosh's plan to team up actually included CP joining them 2 years later. I don't see how it would be possible unless he took a ridiculous pay cut, and I know he made those comments at Carmelo's wedding, however it seems really fishy that he suddenly changed his management either just before or just after (Wow- last week seems so long ago, I can't remember!) those 3 did acvtually team up to Lebron's management company.

Besides, are we really going to spend the next year talking about getting Carmelo or CP or Deron Williams or who ever? After what happened this offseason I'm not going to bother torturing myself like that again, and am instead just going to focus on what we've got. Really in the next CBA the ban on tampering should be extended to include the fans discussing players on a contract with another team- it would save us a lot of time and heart ache!


Ahh the Bleacher Report, that bastion of accuracy where anyone can post and seem like an expert. Repaired or Shaved meniscus does not always mean major knee problems down the line.

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7/14/2010  11:04 AM
I always thought starphucking was trading assets and cap space for talented players with lots of baggage and questions surrounding them - hoping the change of scenery allows them to put it together mentally and be what their gifts could allow them to be: A star.... but... in the end we always got phucked. (Crawful, ZachAss, McCurry, TruckBury, FranShits, etc....)

Signing Amare, Trading for Paul, signing Melo?

Why is that starphucking? You're adding proven players who have their heads screwed on straight. That's called building a team.


Would you have rather sat around and hoped that Chandler and Jordan Hill become superstars somehow? So you can say it was home grown talent that won games?

The NBA doesn't work that way very often.

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7/14/2010  11:16 AM
Cosmic wrote:It's hard to get a legit feel for these comments anymore.

Yet if it's true we need to do everything we can to get Chris Paul in New York.

If that includes a package of Curry, Chandler, Douglas, and Gallo?

I think you _REALLY_ have to consider it.

Amare+Paul >>>> Amare, Chandler, Douglas, Gallo.

Just the simple facts no matter how much I like Gallo and Douglas and no matter how much some like them and Chandler as well - if you have the chance to get Chris Paul you do it.

If Okafor comes back it's even more amazing for us - so you call up the Hornets right now and start throwing assets at them - all your assets.

Okafor
Amare
---melo---
---felton stop gap?---
Paul

You just have to do everything in your power to make this happen.


How do we afford Paul, Melo, Okafor, and Amare?? Emeka's contract is terrible. They would love to get rid of that
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7/14/2010  11:20 AM
what Briggs said. Since Ewing retired all I wanted was a team that was build like a team. A team that had a style of play. The closest we came to it was when we had Marbury, Doleac, Kurt, KVH and Allan Houston. Lots of size and shooting build around a drive and dish PG.

This is 100x better. We are a young team with a pair of 6'10 and 6'11 frontcourt players with sick upside and great skill sets. Neither have hit 22 years old yet. We have a very good 26 year old PG who can thrive and blossom in an uptempo system. We have a 27 year old 5 time all star who is built for that system. We have tons big and athletic players off the bench. We have guys who defend. All these parts (on paper) fit the style of play this coach favors.

This is the part where you sit back and be patient. Let the young guys develop (Gallo, AR, Douglas). Evaluate the guys coming off the injuries (Turiaf, Azu, Chandler). See how the proven talent performs (Felton, Amare).

This could be an ok team. It could be a great team. Here is where you let the coaches coach and the players play.

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7/14/2010  11:28 AM
Paul is a top 10 player. I will trade the whole roster for him. Some of you are crazy talking about potential. Every team has guys with potential. Paul will put up ridiculous numbers in NY. 17 a game my ass lol
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7/14/2010  11:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2010  11:37 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Cosmic wrote:It's hard to get a legit feel for these comments anymore.

Yet if it's true we need to do everything we can to get Chris Paul in New York.

If that includes a package of Curry, Chandler, Douglas, and Gallo?

I think you _REALLY_ have to consider it.

Amare+Paul >>>> Amare, Chandler, Douglas, Gallo.

Just the simple facts no matter how much I like Gallo and Douglas and no matter how much some like them and Chandler as well - if you have the chance to get Chris Paul you do it.

If Okafor comes back it's even more amazing for us - so you call up the Hornets right now and start throwing assets at them - all your assets.

Okafor
Amare
---melo---
---felton stop gap?---
Paul

You just have to do everything in your power to make this happen.

--->Amare+Paul >>>> Amare, Chandler, Douglas, Gallo. So Chris Paul with a bad knee is worth more than two potential 20 point scorers who are 6-8 and 6-10 and a guy who can become a high caliber 6th man who is also 23? Then we play Felton at 6 feet as a 2G. Big names sound fancy at times--but we have built a team---lets let the team play out and if we see great opportunity to use an ending contract + picks OR even better straight FA where we pay nothing. I like free. We just signed Felton--lets give him a chance in this system. If he goes 17-8-3--then why do we need Chris Paul

Briggs, I completely agree with you.

Also, our focus now should be in getting a 2 guard....or Melo. We have Felton, who hasn't had a major injury. We have Amar'e who is great, but is somewhat of a liability from his 2 serious injuries. He has worked hard to be healthy but is uninsurable. We don't need another possibly injured star.

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7/14/2010  11:41 AM
tj23 wrote:
How do we afford Paul, Melo, Okafor, and Amare?? Emeka's contract is terrible. They would love to get rid of that

Yeah, oops, I botched that.


Still though.... I'm surprised how many are against trading for Chris Paul. We're talking a top NBA talent here.

Okafor - Amare - Gallo? - ? - Paul

I still say if it's there then you go for it.

Of course, being this is a legit rumor at all, and also given the health of said players....

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7/14/2010  11:43 AM
Markji wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Cosmic wrote:It's hard to get a legit feel for these comments anymore.

Yet if it's true we need to do everything we can to get Chris Paul in New York.

If that includes a package of Curry, Chandler, Douglas, and Gallo?

I think you _REALLY_ have to consider it.

Amare+Paul >>>> Amare, Chandler, Douglas, Gallo.

Just the simple facts no matter how much I like Gallo and Douglas and no matter how much some like them and Chandler as well - if you have the chance to get Chris Paul you do it.

If Okafor comes back it's even more amazing for us - so you call up the Hornets right now and start throwing assets at them - all your assets.

Okafor
Amare
---melo---
---felton stop gap?---
Paul

You just have to do everything in your power to make this happen.

--->Amare+Paul >>>> Amare, Chandler, Douglas, Gallo. So Chris Paul with a bad knee is worth more than two potential 20 point scorers who are 6-8 and 6-10 and a guy who can become a high caliber 6th man who is also 23? Then we play Felton at 6 feet as a 2G. Big names sound fancy at times--but we have built a team---lets let the team play out and if we see great opportunity to use an ending contract + picks OR even better straight FA where we pay nothing. I like free. We just signed Felton--lets give him a chance in this system. If he goes 17-8-3--then why do we need Chris Paul

Briggs, I completely agree with you.

Also, our focus now should be in getting a 2 guard....or Melo. We have Felton, who hasn't had a major injury. We have Amar'e who is great, but is somewhat of a liability from his 2 serious injuries. He has worked hard to be healthy but is uninsurable. We don't need another possibly injured star.

Think about it---NO does not have to trade Chris Paul. They are going to want a shtful of assets--what THEY want not what we can give them+++ Chirs Paul is coming off injury--we haev no idea what he is right now. What if they ask in lieu of picks for Randolph and Galiinari? Sorry but right now I would NOT give either one of them up. We JUST signed Felton for nearly 8 MILLION and he cannot be traded until DEC. Does anyone here want to give up Chandler Gallo and Randolph for Paul--if you do--then you are nuts AND believe me thats what NO would want. They become weaker as time goes by--were in no rush. Work at a position of strength not weakness

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7/14/2010  11:52 AM
can felton be dealt right away?
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7/14/2010  11:53 AM
foosballnick wrote:
smackeddog wrote:After reading a few months ago about the surgery CP had, and from what I've heard from people who have had similar surgery, I wouldn't want th Knicks to trade for him. Here's a good article on it:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/354816-knee-issues-could-potentially-hinder-future-of-nba-all-star-paul

In a year or two he might be having major problems with his knee. Also, I don't actually trust him- If you remember Bron, Wade and Bosh's plan to team up actually included CP joining them 2 years later. I don't see how it would be possible unless he took a ridiculous pay cut, and I know he made those comments at Carmelo's wedding, however it seems really fishy that he suddenly changed his management either just before or just after (Wow- last week seems so long ago, I can't remember!) those 3 did acvtually team up to Lebron's management company.

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Ahh the Bleacher Report, that bastion of accuracy where anyone can post and seem like an expert. Repaired or Shaved meniscus does not always mean major knee problems down the line.

Yes - the article implies that 1 of the two bits of cartilage was removed altogether - that's an unlikely situation. They just snip up the frayed portions so they're smooth.

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7/14/2010  11:54 AM
The timing is very bad, as we've just signed Felton to a contract and can't trade him right now. After Felton becomes tradeable, I could see offering Felton + Chandler + Turiaf.
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7/14/2010  11:56 AM
Ira wrote:The timing is very bad, as we've just signed Felton to a contract and can't trade him right now. After Felton becomes tradeable, I could see offering Felton + Chandler + Turiaf.

I think it would take:

Felton + AR + Turiaf. at the least.

he's not a FA for two years, they can still get a premium for him.

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7/14/2010  11:58 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Ira wrote:The timing is very bad, as we've just signed Felton to a contract and can't trade him right now. After Felton becomes tradeable, I could see offering Felton + Chandler + Turiaf.

I think it would take:

Felton + AR + Turiaf. at the least.

he's not a FA for two years, they can still get a premium for him.

You're probably right. I was thinking that injury concerns would lessen his value.

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7/14/2010  12:19 PM
LOL at getting Chris Paul for Felton, Chandler, and Turiaf.
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7/14/2010  12:27 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
iSergio wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Im expecting New Orleans to want a few picks, young players, and the team to take Okafor.

No way do I gut the team for Chris Paul. The guy is a beast but no thx. I prefer we just see what we have on this team this year.

That's just crazy. This is CHRIS PAUL we're talking about. You do anything and everything to get a player of his caliber here.

Chris Paul is not M Jordan or Kobe.

however he has the potential to be one of the best point guards in history. there are a few players you trade everything to get and paul is one of those players imo.

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7/14/2010  12:51 PM
From that article "There are two menisci in each knee however Paul now only has one in his left knee, creating a partial bone-on-bone grinding situation in the knee. "
He is missing his entire menisci (1 of 2) in one knee? I don't think that is true. But, considering we have Randolph, Gallo and Amara who had surgery already, do you really want to take a chance on a 4th? A pg that depends on athleticism and hurts a knee AND is out longer than anticipated, is not good. Go all out for Melo, not Chris Paul. I'd honestly rather have Collison that Paul, it's too big a gamble.
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7/14/2010  1:11 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Markji wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Cosmic wrote:It's hard to get a legit feel for these comments anymore.

Yet if it's true we need to do everything we can to get Chris Paul in New York.

If that includes a package of Curry, Chandler, Douglas, and Gallo?

I think you _REALLY_ have to consider it.

Amare+Paul >>>> Amare, Chandler, Douglas, Gallo.

Just the simple facts no matter how much I like Gallo and Douglas and no matter how much some like them and Chandler as well - if you have the chance to get Chris Paul you do it.

If Okafor comes back it's even more amazing for us - so you call up the Hornets right now and start throwing assets at them - all your assets.

Okafor
Amare
---melo---
---felton stop gap?---
Paul

You just have to do everything in your power to make this happen.

--->Amare+Paul >>>> Amare, Chandler, Douglas, Gallo. So Chris Paul with a bad knee is worth more than two potential 20 point scorers who are 6-8 and 6-10 and a guy who can become a high caliber 6th man who is also 23? Then we play Felton at 6 feet as a 2G. Big names sound fancy at times--but we have built a team---lets let the team play out and if we see great opportunity to use an ending contract + picks OR even better straight FA where we pay nothing. I like free. We just signed Felton--lets give him a chance in this system. If he goes 17-8-3--then why do we need Chris Paul

Briggs, I completely agree with you.

Also, our focus now should be in getting a 2 guard....or Melo. We have Felton, who hasn't had a major injury. We have Amar'e who is great, but is somewhat of a liability from his 2 serious injuries. He has worked hard to be healthy but is uninsurable. We don't need another possibly injured star.

Think about it---NO does not have to trade Chris Paul. They are going to want a shtful of assets--what THEY want not what we can give them+++ Chirs Paul is coming off injury--we haev no idea what he is right now. What if they ask in lieu of picks for Randolph and Galiinari? Sorry but right now I would NOT give either one of them up. We JUST signed Felton for nearly 8 MILLION and he cannot be traded until DEC. Does anyone here want to give up Chandler Gallo and Randolph for Paul--if you do--then you are nuts AND believe me thats what NO would want. They become weaker as time goes by--were in no rush. Work at a position of strength not weakness

I agree 100%. AR and Gallo have way too much potential to ship out right now before we even have a chance to see this team play together. Plus, they just signed Felton who also deserves a chance to prove himself in this system before considering the vastly more expensive option of Chris Paul. If you were talking about Melo, it might be a different answer, but no way I trade our potential away for Chris Paul at this point.

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7/14/2010  1:12 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Im expecting New Orleans to want a few picks, young players, and the team to take Okafor.

No way do I gut the team for Chris Paul. The guy is a beast but no thx. I prefer we just see what we have on this team this year.

Word. I don't often agree with Anubi but I think we have to first take a look at what Felton does with Amare before we gut the young core to acquire CP3. If he didn't have an ACL reconstruction I might think differently. But having had one myself, I think it's a no brainer that it will shorten his career and create more risk (i.e., compensating with the other leg makes a greater risk of tearing the other ACL).

The only move I think we NEED is to add Melo next summer. Felton is probably more than up to the task of playing the point in MDA's system.

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7/14/2010  1:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:--->Amare+Paul >>>> Amare, Chandler, Douglas, Gallo. So Chris Paul with a bad knee is worth more than two potential 20 point scorers who are 6-8 and 6-10 and a guy who can become a high caliber 6th man who is also 23? Then we play Felton at 6 feet as a 2G. Big names sound fancy at times--but we have built a team---lets let the team play out and if we see great opportunity to use an ending contract + picks OR even better straight FA where we pay nothing. I like free. We just signed Felton--lets give him a chance in this system. If he goes 17-8-3--then why do we need Chris Paul

You cannot deal for Paul at this point as if he is the guy we have known for the past few years. You can't deal for him without seeing a season of play following his injury. And you can't have a backcourt of Paul and Felton.

I think you have to look at the trade in this way:
Amare + Paul(off serious injury) + Randolph+ Azubuike (SG? off injury)+ Felton (backup PG) >>>> Amare, Gallo, Randolph, Chandler/Asubuike, Felton, Douglas

And if you carry the Paul/Melo gambit to completion, are you then talking about trading Randolph and other assets to get Anthony, too?

I would like to see Paul play a season following his surgery to see if he has lost anything and can take the pounding of a full year, and also see how Felton performs for us this season. I now think Walsh put this team together to compete for the year, not be broken up for trades, even though I understand he would have to listen to a good proposal.

(Because the guys I'm bringing here now are meant to come here and stay here. In other words, they're the kind of players you'd want even if you did have the cap flexibility to go out and get another player," Walsh said.

"So it isn't like everyone should be looking over their shoulder. The days of just basically making deals to clear cap space are for the most part over. That doesn't mean you won't do it again, but that isn't the prime motivating factor. These guys are on the team because they have ability, because they can be part of a good situation. And now our opportunity is to look and see if you're going to be optimistic that all of them can go forward as we add players to make the team better."

If you trade everything + the kitchen sink for Melo, at least you are getting a player who is uninjured and not recovering from a serious injury. With Paul you are talking about a guy who is an unknown quality at this point in terms of health and durability.

If I have to go on a long trip I will take a perfectly working Civic over a buggy Porsche that can't go over 55 yet, with an axle that just might not make the full trip.

You have to differentiate between Anthony and Paul at this point. Paul is someone to revisit at the end of the year. To trade for him now and give up major assets is a mistake that can come back to haunt us.

As Briggs also said earlier- you want to come into the trade from a position of strength. I think this team is going to be competitive, and I think if will make the playoffs, unless there are key injuries, and if we do well, the value of the players we have will increase- so if we do want to make a big trade, we may not have to give up as much as we would have to give up now.

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7/14/2010  1:25 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Cosmic wrote:It's hard to get a legit feel for these comments anymore.

Yet if it's true we need to do everything we can to get Chris Paul in New York.

If that includes a package of Curry, Chandler, Douglas, and Gallo?

I think you _REALLY_ have to consider it.

Amare+Paul >>>> Amare, Chandler, Douglas, Gallo.

Just the simple facts no matter how much I like Gallo and Douglas and no matter how much some like them and Chandler as well - if you have the chance to get Chris Paul you do it.

If Okafor comes back it's even more amazing for us - so you call up the Hornets right now and start throwing assets at them - all your assets.

Okafor
Amare
---melo---
---felton stop gap?---
Paul

You just have to do everything in your power to make this happen.

--->Amare+Paul >>>> Amare, Chandler, Douglas, Gallo. So Chris Paul with a bad knee is worth more than two potential 20 point scorers who are 6-8 and 6-10 and a guy who can become a high caliber 6th man who is also 23? Then we play Felton at 6 feet as a 2G. Big names sound fancy at times--but we have built a team---lets let the team play out and if we see great opportunity to use an ending contract + picks OR even better straight FA where we pay nothing. I like free. We just signed Felton--lets give him a chance in this system. If he goes 17-8-3--then why do we need Chris Paul

Word, Briggs. +100 to that sentiment. Let's see what this team can do before we starphuck for a top PG with rebuilt ACL.

Hornets now open to trading Chris Paul?

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