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nykshaknbake
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7/12/2010  12:41 PM
C Randolph |Turiaf
PF Stoudamire |
SF Gallo
SG CHandler |Walker/Azubuike
PG Felton |Douglas

38 wins. It will take a while for this team to play as one

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7/12/2010  1:04 PM
Felton / Toney
Chandler / Kelenna
Gallo / Walker
Amar'e / AR
Turiaf / Mozgov

I have no idea how to read this team. It will be a growing process. We could win 38 games or we could win 48 games. I'll split the difference and say 43.

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7/12/2010  1:22 PM
fishmike wrote:with the cap used up and the roster filled out I'm guessing this is close to what we start the year with.

I think our SL looks something like this:
PG Felton
SG Chandler
SF Gallo
PF Amare
C Turiaf
bench: Douglas, Randolph, Azubuke (fringe minutes)

If Azubuke is healthy he pushes Walker and the rookies out of the picture. I'm not even commenting on the Russian guy until we see him play.

Turiaf is a good player to start next to Amare and play 15-20 minutes a game. He will stretch out Amare's health and keep some of the early banging to a minimum. MDA played Amare 33-34 minutes a night in Pho. Expect the same here.

Chandler as a starting guard last year: 38 games, 37mpg, 17ppg, 5.6rpg, 2.3 assists and 50% FG%
I am quite comfortable with him starting there despite being a combo forward type.

I think the size, rebounding, defense combo to start games will allow Felton to motor north and south and establish our size early.

Which brings us to the main 2 bench guys in Douglas and AR. Two fast up and down scorers who both defend with great fervor.

This type of rotation is in the mold of when the KNicks went to the finals against the Spurs. They started with size. They had Ewing, Kurt and LJ up front. Then they brought Spree and Camby off the bench and went uptempo. MDA loves the 7 man rotation and Felton, Chandler, Gallo, Amare, Turiaf, Douglas and AR is DAMN GOOD starting 7 for an uptempo team. Tons of size and skill and defense.

Having the veteran PG (who comes from playing w/ Larry Brown) and the veteran 5 time all star in the frontcourt who has played w/ MDA before helps us get up to speed quickly.

Still... with so many young players and new players it may take a bit of time but I see a big, skilled and deep team. 45-48 wins. 5-6th seed behind the Magic, Bos, Hawks, Heat and Bulls. I think we are just as good as Mil, Char and better than all the other teams in the East.


I agree with almost everything u said but predict 42-45 wins

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7/12/2010  1:26 PM
crzymdups wrote:Felton / Toney
Chandler / Kelenna
Gallo / Walker
Amar'e / AR
Turiaf / Mozgov

I have no idea how to read this team. It will be a growing process. We could win 38 games or we could win 48 games. I'll split the difference and say 43.

I'm sticking w/ 45 on the low with an upside of 48. I think every guy on this roster fits in with what the coach wants to do.

It might take some time for these guys to adjust, yes... but you have a veteran PG and a good one right out of the gate. You have a 5 time all star in the froncourt. You have a shooter in Gallo who is tough, plays both ends and likes taking the big shot. Chandler is a good rotation guy. Douglas will be great off the bench. AR is a wild card but I am expecting good things from him also off the bench (for now).

Here's where years of Knick pessimism sets in...

For the guys who are saying 35-38 wins why? Thats a losing team and 35 wins sucks. So why would the Knicks suck?

Felton isnt my first choice but he's at the very worst solid. So we have a legit floor general. After that why would we be a poor team? We have size. We have guys who defend. We have depth on the bench. We have shooters. We have a froncourt guy who can impose his will on the opposition. We are strong, fast and athletic. We are skilled and deep.

Yes.. we have a lot of wildcards, but they are positive ones. How good will AR be? Can he stay healthy? How good will Felton be in the uptempo? What do you get from the Russian guy?

If we win 38 games we are losing 44. How so? Are we getting beat on the boards? Are we not defending? Are we having problems scoring? I just dont see what area makes this group clearly a sub .500 team. Not at all.

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7/12/2010  1:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/12/2010  1:31 PM
^ Rebounding could be a problem - Gallo and Amare are long and big, but don't rebound well for their position. Turiaf should be solid, but is an unknown. AR should be solid, but is kind of an unknown.

On the optimistic side, I could see 48 wins easy. On the pessimistic side, I could see a frustating team that shows flashes but gets beat and wins 38.

edit: also, the East will be much tougher than the West this year. You have a powerhouse in Miami, a solid team in Chicago, wily old vets in Boston, the Magic and Hawks are still good, the Bucks could be improved. Heck, even Washington and Toronto could be tough. The Nets are better constructed, albeit lacking stars.

Charlotte got worse, Cleveland got worse. Not sure which other East teams will be worse...

Much tougher in the Eastern conference this year than last.

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7/12/2010  1:32 PM
crzymdups wrote:^ Rebounding could be a problem - Gallo and Amare are long and big, but don't rebound well for their position. Turiaf should be solid, but is an unknown. AR should be solid, but is kind of an unknown.

On the optimistic side, I could see 48 wins easy. On the pessimistic side, I could see a frustating team that shows flashes but gets beat and wins 38.

From what Nelson said he doesn't think Turiaf can handle more than 10-15 minutes he went on to say nor would you want to.

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7/12/2010  1:33 PM
crzymdups wrote:^ Rebounding could be a problem - Gallo and Amare are long and big, but don't rebound well for their position. Turiaf should be solid, but is an unknown. AR should be solid, but is kind of an unknown.

On the optimistic side, I could see 48 wins easy. On the pessimistic side, I could see a frustating team that shows flashes but gets beat and wins 38.

totally fair... I could see that. There isnt one real glass cleaner on that team. A bunch of guys who can rebound but not a clear cut stud there. You HOPE that when your playing a bunch of guys who are 6'10 or taller at the 3/4/5 you not going to get beat on the boards but that could be an issue.
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7/12/2010  1:39 PM
I think Donnie Walsh will make a trade before this season. The team is a little too young imo to be a Playoff team. There are too many unknowns. I'm hoping Brandon Tierney is right about Carmelo Anthony beng a NYK before Training Camp.
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7/12/2010  1:39 PM
Starting Lineup
Amare - C
Randolph - PF
Gallo - SF
Chandler - SG
Felton - PG

If healthy, Turiaf and Azubuike back up the power positions and the wings respectively. Douglas backs up Felton. A long shot for some playing time later in the season is Landry Fields. If Azubuike can't go, Bill Walker will back up the wings. If Turiaf can't go and Curry has lost more weight, we may see the unthinkable.

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7/12/2010  1:39 PM
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:^ Rebounding could be a problem - Gallo and Amare are long and big, but don't rebound well for their position. Turiaf should be solid, but is an unknown. AR should be solid, but is kind of an unknown.

On the optimistic side, I could see 48 wins easy. On the pessimistic side, I could see a frustating team that shows flashes but gets beat and wins 38.

From what Nelson said he doesn't think Turiaf can handle more than 10-15 minutes he went on to say nor would you want to.

I'm not really interested in Nellie's read on players. It's thanks to him we have AR though... so I guess I'm glad he hates big guys.

But I do think it's not a great idea to rely on Turiaf to be our stud rebounder in the middle. I'm hoping Wilson, AR, Gallo and Amare can hit the boards... we'll see...

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7/12/2010  1:41 PM
Ira wrote:Starting Lineup
Amare - C
Randolph - PF
Gallo - SF
Chandler - SG
Felton - PG

If healthy, Turiaf and Azubuike back up the power positions and the wings respectively. Douglas backs up Felton. A long shot for some playing time later in the season is Landry Fields. If Azubuike can't go, Bill Walker will back up the wings. If Turiaf can't go and Curry has lost more weight, we may see the unthinkable.

I forgot to say 43-44 wins and 7th playoff spot.

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7/12/2010  3:33 PM
I think our success really depends on how good Randolph plays this yr. I think we can come to very good conclusions on what Felton, Gallo, Chandler, Amare, Azubuiki, Douglas, Walker will provide.

Trying to temper expectations Felton at 12-8.5, Gallo 16-5, Chandler 15-5, Amare 22-9, Azubuiki 12-5, Douglas 12-3, Walker 10-4. Randolph though is a major x-factor that if he produces the way he is capable then he can propel us to over a 40win.

I think staying healthy overall will be our major concern over talent and chemistry. Felton as a pure playmaking PG really excites me. He is truly capable of making all these guys better. Amare, Gallo, Randolph and Chandler are going to get shots.

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7/12/2010  3:38 PM
C-Turiaf
PF-Amare
SF-Gallinari
SG-Chandler
PG-Felton

Record: 41-41, 6th seed

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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7/12/2010  3:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/12/2010  3:44 PM
On opening night:

PG Felton
SG Chandler
SF Gallinari
PF Amare
C Randolph

But I think by December or January, MD will realize that Chandler is best suited off the bench, and perhaps Mozgov will get acclimated to the NBA by then. So lineup would change to:

PG Felton
SG Azubuike
SF Gallinari
PF Amare
C Mozgov

with Douglas, Chandler, and Randolph rounding up the rotation.

Guessing 43-39 record, 7th seed in the East behind Miami, Boston, Orlando, Chicago, Atlanta, and Milwaukee. My guess is Cleveland will surprise and nab the 8th seed.

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7/12/2010  6:18 PM
THE MSG broadcasters have it dead wrong if they think Tufiaf can start at center at any point. You're either going to see them throw Anthony Randolph in the fire, or go with a short backcourt to start the season off, that goes like:

PG: Felton
SG: Douglas
SF: Chandler
PF: Gallinari
C: Stoudemire

That way Douglas can focus on scoring, while Azabukie recovers from his injury and Randolph gets ready to be a full time starter. Eventually, though, Douglas will be the 6th man, and you make Randolph and Stat switch at center and PF.

I say trade Wilson for a shooting guard who can score. Maybe the Knicks are very high on Fields?

If we stay relatively healthy and Randolph continues to grow, there's no way we can't be an over .500 team, but I'll go with 44-38.

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7/12/2010  6:49 PM
fishmike wrote:
CHAOS wrote:C. = CURRY
PF = AMARE
SF = DANILLO
SG = WILSON
PG = FELTON

I think Curry is going to play for a new contract and his trade value peak at the deadline and Walsh will have to decide is it fools gold and trade him or consider that he may have changed his ways and keep him.

he's done. He may or may not show up healthy but he's not playing for the Knicks next year.

I have been saying this for a while, but i would like him to play so his value can rise, i seriously doubt Denver is going to let melo walk with nothing in return after what just transpired this off season with the big name FA's

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7/12/2010  9:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/12/2010  9:25 PM
I'm all for Curry delivering a higher-than-expected performance in his contract year. If he was somehow able to muster the work ethic to control his weight and conditioning this past offseason then it wouldn't be a bad idea to let him play, increasing his trade value.

HOWEVER, with new raw young Centers Jerome Jordan and Timofey Mozgov, it really would hurt the team more than it would benefit, since Curry would be taking valuable minutes away from these two guys.

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7/12/2010  9:29 PM
OjilEye wrote:If he was somehow able to muster the work ethic to control his weight and conditioning

That's a VERY big "if" my friend. You're better off not expecting a bag of peanuts from this failure known as Eddy Curry.

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7/12/2010  10:37 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
OjilEye wrote:If he was somehow able to muster the work ethic to control his weight and conditioning

That's a VERY big "if" my friend. You're better off not expecting a bag of peanuts from this failure known as Eddy Curry.

Why would an elephant give up a bag of peanuts.

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7/12/2010  10:48 PM
lol
post your starting line up, rotation and predict a win total

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