No playoffs. There is still a lot of work to do. To many things left unproven for the Knicks. Lots of ifs nothing that is guaranteed. Amare isn't even a guarantee to put up numbers without Nash.

Swishfm3 wrote:Miami
Orlando
Boston
Atlanta
Milwaukee
Chicago
New York
Cleveland

I hope you're right

crzymdups wrote:Why are people predicting Charlotte to make the playoffs? Who is their PG? They just gave away Diaw who was very good for them. I don't see them making it.

With the moves Toronto is making, I see them in the mix more than Charlotte.

Toronto has:

Calderon / Jack
DeRozan / Barbosa
Kleiza / ...
Diaw / Ed Davis / Reggie Evans
Bargnani / Amir Johnson

Also I dont get Wash. They have some decent young bigs but McGee is still extremely raw and plays pretty far away from the basket. Meanwhile Hinrich, Arenas and Wall all play the same position.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Why are people predicting Charlotte to make the playoffs? Who is their PG? They just gave away Diaw who was very good for them. I don't see them making it.

With the moves Toronto is making, I see them in the mix more than Charlotte.

Toronto has:

Calderon / Jack
DeRozan / Barbosa
Kleiza / ...
Diaw / Ed Davis / Reggie Evans
Bargnani / Amir Johnson

Cha is not making the playoffs. They lost their starting PG and one of their best rotation guys in Diaw. Of all the starters Diaw had the best +/- but let such things get in the way of your predictions.

Also I dont get Wash. They have some decent young bigs but McGee is still extremely raw and plays pretty far away from the basket. Meanwhile Hinrich, Arenas and Wall all play the same position.

I'm putting Washington in there. Arenas can shift over to the SG position and Wall can do the pg duties. Small setback for them is that Blatche had surgery. McGee is a very athletic Center. That back court is very capable of creating easy shots and can score also.

Ira wrote:

tj23 wrote:Miami
Orlando
Boston
Chicago
Atlanta
Milwaukee
New York
Charlotte

I think Orlando might still get #1 and idk what boston team to expect exactly. Philly might knock charlotte out.

I'll second this list.

i agree with the top 7, but the 8th seed will be a total wildcard, i think.

philly, washington, detroit are all better bets than charlotte, i think.

i think detroit might surprise some people this year if they're healthy.

crzymdups wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Why are people predicting Charlotte to make the playoffs? Who is their PG? They just gave away Diaw who was very good for them. I don't see them making it.

With the moves Toronto is making, I see them in the mix more than Charlotte.

Toronto has:

Calderon / Jack
DeRozan / Barbosa
Kleiza / ...
Diaw / Ed Davis / Reggie Evans
Bargnani / Amir Johnson

Cha is not making the playoffs. They lost their starting PG and one of their best rotation guys in Diaw. Of all the starters Diaw had the best +/- but let such things get in the way of your predictions.

Also I dont get Wash. They have some decent young bigs but McGee is still extremely raw and plays pretty far away from the basket. Meanwhile Hinrich, Arenas and Wall all play the same position.

Augustin/Jackson/Wallace/Thomas/Diaw will be moderately effective for Charlotte

yeah, but they just gave away Diaw.

so much has happen/might happen it's hard to keep it straight... I'm not so sold on CHA then, but Calderon is an upgrade on Augustin but I don't know now. I like Toronto more even without Calderon because Diaw, Chandler, and Barbosa just blend well together. We'll see if the finesse works

So I suppose I just changed my answer

crzymdups wrote:

Ira wrote:

tj23 wrote:Miami
Orlando
Boston
Chicago
Atlanta
Milwaukee
New York
Charlotte

I think Orlando might still get #1 and idk what boston team to expect exactly. Philly might knock charlotte out.

I'll second this list.

i agree with the top 7, but the 8th seed will be a total wildcard, i think.

philly, washington, detroit are all better bets than charlotte, i think.

i think detroit might surprise some people this year if they're healthy.

Why do you think we are better than Wash, Det, and Philly? I think we are right there with them. Other than Amare and Felton and to a lesser extent Gallo, we have question marks all over the place.

Chandler has gotten banged up at the close ot two straight seasons. Plus, he's playing out of position for us. We have no reliable, legit SG. We are still rather small up front if you figure that Jordan wont be ready and neither will the Russian. Randolph has tremedous potential but it isn't realized yet. Other than Gallo, we dont have a reliable shooter. I dont think we have enough to separate ourselves from the other teams that will battle for the 8th spot.

Uptown wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Ira wrote:

tj23 wrote:Miami
Orlando
Boston
Chicago
Atlanta
Milwaukee
New York
Charlotte

I think Orlando might still get #1 and idk what boston team to expect exactly. Philly might knock charlotte out.

I'll second this list.

i agree with the top 7, but the 8th seed will be a total wildcard, i think.

philly, washington, detroit are all better bets than charlotte, i think.

i think detroit might surprise some people this year if they're healthy.

Why do you think we are better than Wash, Det, and Philly? I think we are right there with them. Other than Amare and Felton and to a lesser extent Gallo, we have question marks all over the place.

Chandler has gotten banged up at the close ot two straight seasons. Plus, he's playing out of position for us. We have no reliable, legit SG. We are still rather small up front if you figure that Jordan wont be ready and neither will the Russian. Randolph has tremedous potential but it isn't realized yet. Other than Gallo, we dont have a reliable shooter. I dont think we have enough to separate ourselves from the other teams that will battle for the 8th spot.

Phili is terrible, unless your banking on Brand returning to AS form.

Detroit... really?

Knicks... Felton is a good shooter at 46% and 38.5% from 3. 63% of his scoring came off jump shots. He's streaky, a lot like Spree was. Gallo can shoot it and Douglas can shoot it. Amare can also shoot it well enough to draw out opposing bigs, so can Chandler. Chandler may not be a 3 point guy but he's money from 15 feet and thats important.

The only glaring weakness w/ the Knicks is they dont have an extablished rebounder. Lots of size but not a clear cut role player there. Amare is OK and does outrebound his opposition.

I do think Knicks are CLEARLY ahead of Phili/Det/Wash with proven playoff veterans in Amare/Felton