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Donnie says the Knicks are done in FA, but may pursue some trades. Post your SL with the roster as it stands:
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crzymdups
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7/10/2010  12:52 PM
^ Anubis, Toronto is rebuilding now. Sixers have some good talent, but gave away Dalembert and have half a Brand to deal with. I think we are better than them.

I think we are on a par with Milwaukee, Atlanta and Chicago in the East's second tier. Chicago could jump up to top tier - but they have no shooters either. Orlando might match on Reddick.

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7/10/2010  12:57 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Still NO shooters.

Hope folks don't yell at me, and I am cringing because I have to agree with Mr. ADL, but I actually agree. The starting lineup has one legit sniper, and one guy- Felton, who was a low 30% guy from the 3 until last year. And Felton is the guy who is supposed to get the ball to the shooters.

Chandler showed improvement as a shooter last year, going from 42% to 48% FG%, because he seemed to give up the 3 and took more midrange shots. (he shot 1.5 fewer 3s/game while taking a slightly higher number of shots per game- 12.9 to 13.2) You don't want him shooting 3s again.

If you think about how MDA wants to run things, you need at least two solid perimeter threats on your wings, a pick an roll tandem where the big can hit a 3, and maybe some slashers to spice things up. This starting lineup may not be able to spread out the floor enough for our coach, and if James was coming here I would have said the same thing.

To be honest we don't even have a true post-up player on the team.

Don't get me wrong- I'm pretty excited about this season, but there will be some growing pains as the team takes on an identity.

If Azubuike is back 100%, don't be surprised if you see a lot of him this year because he can defend and he has better range than Chandler. It will also be interesting to see how Walker and Rautins fit in the lineup. I also see Fields as a wild card, and if shows that he has Chandler-like abilities- you may see Chandler on the move this year or during FA next year.

MDA is going to have to earn his salary. I see him doing some experimenting at times, and hopefully, he will try to make some adaptation to the players he has. It will be very interesting to see how he works Randolph into his game plans, too.


Pure speculation here:

Walsh seems to have built a team that is much different from what you might think MDA wants on the floor. I am not unhappy with what we have done, but I feel that a number of disagreements between the two about what kind of lineup it takes to win have taken place, and Donnie seems to be exerting himself.

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7/10/2010  1:08 PM
Pure speculation here:

Walsh seems to have built a team that is much different from what you might think MDA wants on the floor. I am not unhappy with what we have done, but I feel that a number of disagreements between the two about what kind of lineup it takes to win have taken place, and Donnie seems to be exerting himself.

I think you are right about this. I think this Donnie's last run and he has decided to be true to himself. I think conflict between the GM and Coach is healthy. I hope D'Antoni sees this as a sign that he needs to adapt and address some of his weaknesses.

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7/10/2010  1:16 PM
cosign Anu and Pal

This year is really on D'Antoni. If we stink it up, he's gonna have to face issues of job security.

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7/10/2010  1:16 PM
Yeah I like Bell but I heard he was heading to the hated Heat.I would like to get our hands on Arron Afflalo I think he plays for Denver he reminds me of a really young Bell.
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7/10/2010  1:26 PM
I agree we are thin with shooters. As someone mentioned in another thread, a guy like Rip Hamilton would be perfect for this squad. I think we will look to move Chandler this year for a SG.
I also agree that this year we see if Dantoni is a good coach or not. The pieces are there for solid improvement. If we don't see it, I will be looking at the coach. He can no longer cry that he has no players. He must get the team playing good ball.
Personally I feel he has been a terrible in-game coach with limited imagination. OK, there was little talent. With this team, we must see him maximize results as well as develop talent. I would look to replace him if more player beefs and clear ****ty coaching continues.
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7/10/2010  1:26 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Pure speculation here:

Walsh seems to have built a team that is much different from what you might think MDA wants on the floor. I am not unhappy with what we have done, but I feel that a number of disagreements between the two about what kind of lineup it takes to win have taken place, and Donnie seems to be exerting himself.

I think you are right about this. I think this Donnie's last run and he has decided to be true to himself. I think conflict between the GM and Coach is healthy. I hope D'Antoni sees this as a sign that he needs to adapt and address some of his weaknesses.

I don't see what you're talking about. This team looks EXACTLY like an MDA team!!! Walsh didn't go against any of MDA's principles. MDA wants fast, agile, smart, skilled players, that can shoot and pass. In short he likes basketball players, more than just pure athletes or big bruising guys that don't have the ability to play fast and think quick.

Tell me which of the players Donnie added don't fit this criteria. I only see one. Turiaf. AR is an MDA prototype big. AZ is a SG that is in the mold of Raja Bell. Rautins, Fields and Jordan are clearly MDA types. This team is gonna be fun for MDA to coach. It may take longer for the team to develop fully, but with young vets like Amare and Felton, the middle which is most important is set. This team is gonna be the sleeper in the East this year IMO. I think they're gonna be MUCH better than most think they'll be.

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7/10/2010  1:28 PM
Nalod wrote:Youthier, longer, faster, and upside with cap space and tradable assets. Good job!

Did you see what Isiah just pulled off!

http://www.knickscity.com/forums/showthread.php?3239-Stephon-Marbury-Hyping-Zach-Randolph-Hilarious

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7/10/2010  1:31 PM
Maybe my expectations are lower or more realistic than those who would only be happy w a championship next year, but I'm absolutely giddy about the Knicks right now.

We finally have a future and a team w some upside for a change. I'm so excited to watch our talented front line. Amare is a more athletic, slightly better defensive version of David Lee, and though I'm sad to see Lee go, I've coveted Anthony Randolph since ranking him 3rd overall in his draft class. We are going to love watching his Camby-esque rebounding and blocking ability. He and Gallo are going to be so special to watch develop! I love our frontline. Turiaf adds much-needed toughness and rebounding.

We are going to win some games and can make the playoffs this upcoming year. We are going to be a fun team to watch and most importantly, we have space to have as exciting an off-season next year.

Felton, Chandler, Randolph and Turiaf can all play tough defense and RUN the floor! I have full confidence in Walsh. I love the short-term nature of the Felton signing.

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Be happy fellow Knicks fans. We have a future.


crzymdups wrote:PG Felton
SG Wilson
SF Gallo
PF ARandolph
C Amare

6 Turiaf (PF/C)
7 Toney Douglas (PG)
8 Kelenna Azubuike (SG/SF)
9 Bill Walker (SG/SF)
10 open for Rautins, Fields, Jordan to compete

I feel like the SG slot could use an upgrade still. It'd be nice to find a sharp shooting SG. Raja Bell would be my pick.

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7/10/2010  1:41 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Still NO shooters.

Hope folks don't yell at me, and I am cringing because I have to agree with Mr. ADL, but I actually agree. The starting lineup has one legit sniper, and one guy- Felton, who was a low 30% guy from the 3 until last year. And Felton is the guy who is supposed to get the ball to the shooters.

Chandler showed improvement as a shooter last year, going from 42% to 48% FG%, because he seemed to give up the 3 and took more midrange shots. (he shot 1.5 fewer 3s/game while taking a slightly higher number of shots per game- 12.9 to 13.2) You don't want him shooting 3s again.

If you think about how MDA wants to run things, you need at least two solid perimeter threats on your wings, a pick an roll tandem where the big can hit a 3, and maybe some slashers to spice things up. This starting lineup may not be able to spread out the floor enough for our coach, and if James was coming here I would have said the same thing.

To be honest we don't even have a true post-up player on the team.

Don't get me wrong- I'm pretty excited about this season, but there will be some growing pains as the team takes on an identity.

If Azubuike is back 100%, don't be surprised if you see a lot of him this year because he can defend and he has better range than Chandler. It will also be interesting to see how Walker and Rautins fit in the lineup. I also see Fields as a wild card, and if shows that he has Chandler-like abilities- you may see Chandler on the move this year or during FA next year.

MDA is going to have to earn his salary. I see him doing some experimenting at times, and hopefully, he will try to make some adaptation to the players he has. It will be very interesting to see how he works Randolph into his game plans, too.


Pure speculation here:

Walsh seems to have built a team that is much different from what you might think MDA wants on the floor. I am not unhappy with what we have done, but I feel that a number of disagreements between the two about what kind of lineup it takes to win have taken place, and Donnie seems to be exerting himself.

Glad someone else agrees with my observations.

Teams are going to sag off alot of our guys and dare them to make shots if we try to spread the floors. We are going to have to keep guys moving, cutting, and setting screens. The stand on the perimeter and wait to jack and 3 offense is NOT going to work with these guys.

Now the benefit of our players is we should should be able to REALLY lock guys down at EVERY position this year. We should focus on not letting teams get anything going in the paint like the Atlanta Hawks with Horford and Smith.

Simply put if we focus on defense our offense will come with easy transition buckets.

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7/10/2010  2:29 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Pure speculation here:

Walsh seems to have built a team that is much different from what you might think MDA wants on the floor. I am not unhappy with what we have done, but I feel that a number of disagreements between the two about what kind of lineup it takes to win have taken place, and Donnie seems to be exerting himself.

I think you are right about this. I think this Donnie's last run and he has decided to be true to himself. I think conflict between the GM and Coach is healthy. I hope D'Antoni sees this as a sign that he needs to adapt and address some of his weaknesses.

I don't see what you're talking about. This team looks EXACTLY like an MDA team!!! Walsh didn't go against any of MDA's principles. MDA wants fast, agile, smart, skilled players, that can shoot and pass. In short he likes basketball players, more than just pure athletes or big bruising guys that don't have the ability to play fast and think quick.

Tell me which of the players Donnie added don't fit this criteria. I only see one. Turiaf. AR is an MDA prototype big. AZ is a SG that is in the mold of Raja Bell. Rautins, Fields and Jordan are clearly MDA types. This team is gonna be fun for MDA to coach. It may take longer for the team to develop fully, but with young vets like Amare and Felton, the middle which is most important is set. This team is gonna be the sleeper in the East this year IMO. I think they're gonna be MUCH better than most think they'll be.

Again... I like the guys we have put together- just want to see what MDA creates out of the raw materials he has been given.

I'm telling you, his game plan calls for at least 2 long distance shooters other than the pg for optimum performance. The lineup above does not have this component.

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7/10/2010  3:34 PM
DW has done a great job this offseason. Yes, no wimpy king but strong defensive players, low post threats, long distance threats, youth, speed and maintained flexibility. Only a negatavist sees doom in this scenario.
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7/10/2010  4:22 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Still NO shooters.

Isiah Knicks reborn.

Yeah, the rooster got no shooting touch, he really sucks... /sarcasm

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7/10/2010  4:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2010  4:41 PM
Knicks have more balance now than they've had since D'Antoni has been the coach. I think we have a very quality roster and for the first time in 3 years I can honestly say that I'd be dissapointed if we don't make the playoffs.

9 man rotation

PG- Felton
SG- Chandler
SF- Gallo
PF- Amare
C- Turiaf (have him start games to establish some defensive intensity- though he may only play 20 mins) per)

Bench

SG/SF- Azubuike
SG/SF Walker
PG/SG Douglas
PF/C Randolph

I expect these 3 guys to play heavy minutes and the best part is they all have the versatilty to swing between at least 2 positions on the floor.

Extra depth:

C- Curry- if he manages to actually want to play he can cause some matchup issues if he plays up front with Amare
C- Jordan- If Curry never gets healthy give this kid some burn when we need size/fouls
SF/PF- Fields- I think he could be a big time sleepr
SG/PG- Rautins- I don't think he can really play PG but he can provide some shooting when needed

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7/10/2010  7:31 PM
method wrote:Yeah I like Bell but I heard he was heading to the hated Heat.I would like to get our hands on Arron Afflalo I think he plays for Denver he reminds me of a really young Bell.

Miller AND Bell?? That's impossible. What are they paying these people, magic beans?

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Donnie says the Knicks are done in FA, but may pursue some trades. Post your SL with the roster as it stands:

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