alau53 wrote:if lebron's mom didnt boff brons teamate in clevland no media would be parking outside her condom..when the heat plays at the garden i want the music blasting "gloria" and when knicks win the sinatra song "ny, Ny"...no oohs and ahss just boos and more boos..i want amare to knock him down when he goes to the basket

There's a couple of jokes in there. But I go with this one. It would be an improvement on Amar'e's defense if he did.

Pharzeone wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Not for nothing but a lot of well to do New Yorkers eventually find their way to South Beach. Nice weather year round and a better night life from my point of view. And a much better place to raise a family as well. The opportunity to cruise to the arena vs. fighting traffic could have played in it too. We shouldn't act like we never heard this before. Shaq (too much snow) and Jordan (too much traffic and family displacement) used the same excuse in 1996 but didn't get beat up by the media for it. If someone says family lifestyle plays a big part of it, I have to respect it.

Unless he is using it as a ploy to get you to say exactly what you said. He is not just going to say "I'm being a hypocrite- I'm going ring chasing with Wade and Bosh."

You are looking at an article 4 years ago. I don't think it is reasonable to hold a 21 year old to his/her future plans. Life happens. Much the same I think it would be insane to yell at a buddy's wedding "hey I thought you said you never get marry when we were in college."

So he should have gotten up and said "Time for me to go ring chasing- I no longer want to stay with the Cavs and attempt to bring Cleveland its first championship- I want to to to Miami, where I have planned to go for the last year."

He could be humble and admit that he was a hypocrite.

The problem is that you should not portray yourself in a certain way if you can't back it up through your actions. Everybody realizes now that this thing was probably decided a LONG time ago, but the drama diva, once King, had to play it out as if he was making a real decision.

Talk the talk/Walk the walk- all he did was talk and walk away.

If you really don't see the way he orchestrated/manipulated this entire drama, then you must be buying every product you see advertised on the infomercials, and believe that pro-wrestling and all its drama is real.

Solace wrote:Well, I think the point made is fair, except I don't see why he would have to live in Manhattan or bust. There's plenty of good, quiet, places to live outside the city. And yeah, he's not a New York kinda guy. Not everyone has it. To be honest, when I've worked in Manhattan, I liked the convenience of being able to walk two steps and find five places to eat or a street vendor, but it was a little busy for my tastes.

Hell- the guy comes to NYC all the time, from what I have read. This excuse is a red herring- as you say, there are many areas around the city, including Connecticut, where he could have made a home and lived a pretty normal life.

Paladin55 wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Not for nothing but a lot of well to do New Yorkers eventually find their way to South Beach. Nice weather year round and a better night life from my point of view. And a much better place to raise a family as well. The opportunity to cruise to the arena vs. fighting traffic could have played in it too. We shouldn't act like we never heard this before. Shaq (too much snow) and Jordan (too much traffic and family displacement) used the same excuse in 1996 but didn't get beat up by the media for it. If someone says family lifestyle plays a big part of it, I have to respect it.

Unless he is using it as a ploy to get you to say exactly what you said. He is not just going to say "I'm being a hypocrite- I'm going ring chasing with Wade and Bosh."

You are looking at an article 4 years ago. I don't think it is reasonable to hold a 21 year old to his/her future plans. Life happens. Much the same I think it would be insane to yell at a buddy's wedding "hey I thought you said you never get marry when we were in college."

So he should have gotten up and said "Time for me to go ring chasing- I no longer want to stay with the Cavs and attempt to bring Cleveland its first championship- I want to to to Miami, where I have planned to go for the last year."

He could be humble and admit that he was a hypocrite.

The problem is that you should not portray yourself in a certain way if you can't back it up through your actions. Everybody realizes now that this thing was probably decided a LONG time ago, but the drama diva, once King, had to play it out as if he was making a real decision.

Talk the talk/Walk the walk- all he did was talk and walk away.

If you really don't see the way he orchestrated/manipulated this entire drama, then you must be buying every product you see advertised on the infomercials, and believe that pro-wrestling and all its drama is real.

Come on. If you don't know. I'm not a big fan of LBJ. I called him a phony for a number of years. This is not shocking to me at all. What I'm saying is that if family lifestyle and pursuit of a ring was a concern then I have to respect that. He changed his mind at some point about what he can do in Cleveland. Up until that Decision thing, he was kinda pleasant about it with respects to Cleveland. I mean he didn't pull a Shaq and battle with ownership during playoffs at least Gilbert didn't express it. And he sat down with them. I seen other guys do less and just bolted without any courtesy. I always thought Cleveland put too much on this one man. It says a lot about local leadership there and the lifeblood and direction of that city and franchise than it does LBJ to tell you the truth. For the first time in about 6-7 years Gilbert is going to actually work to put together a decent team.

Marbury gets to equate himself with Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Kidd, etc, because "wez all losers".

Chasing Jordan's 6 rings on someone's coattails is deemed more significant than rising to a challenge, being a leader, and winning 1 the hard way.

It's about "hardware". This is the bling generation.

BlueSeats wrote:The problem is the way greatness has come to be equated with championships.

Marbury gets to equate himself with Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Kidd, etc, because "wez all losers".

Chasing Jordan's 6 rings on someone's coattails is deemed more significant than rising to a challenge, being a leader, and winning 1 the hard way.

It's about "hardware". This is the bling generation.

My appreciation for Ewing and his struggles grow every season. Lot of people took him for granted. MJ long ago suggested that he run off from NY with him to get a ring. Ewing stayed put because he wanted to do it NY because he thought he owed it to the city. During that press conference I thought they hinted a lot about Ewing and Barkley. I know Bosh spoke about it a couple of months ago. I think that KG parting conversation also played a lot on Lebron.

Pharzeone wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:The problem is the way greatness has come to be equated with championships.

Marbury gets to equate himself with Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Kidd, etc, because "wez all losers".

Chasing Jordan's 6 rings on someone's coattails is deemed more significant than rising to a challenge, being a leader, and winning 1 the hard way.

It's about "hardware". This is the bling generation.

My appreciation for Ewing and his struggles grow every season. Lot of people took him for granted. MJ long ago suggested that he run off from NY with him to get a ring. Ewing stayed put because he wanted to do it NY because he thought he owed it to the city. During that press conference I thought they hinted a lot about Ewing and Barkley. I know Bosh spoke about it a couple of months ago. I think that KG parting conversation also played a lot on Lebron.

Ewing ha an ego the size of a goodyear blimp, he fit in here quite well. A friend of John wallace once said ewing bragged about HOW HE builT the practice facility or MSG HIMSELF AND THAT THIS WAS HIS PLACE.

Paladin55 wrote:I know it is Berman, but:

A league source who has spoken to LeBron James said the biggest reason for The King spurning the Knicks was the prospect of having his and his family's personal lives intruded upon under the intense scrutiny of New York.
"His private life would've been affected too much under the New York microscope," the source said. "He experienced it in the last few weeks. It was out of control."
Judging by his announcement show on ESPN, James likes the spotlight, but not when it intrudes on his family. James' mother wasn't thrilled with a move to Manhattan after seeing photographers camped outside her home twice during the buildup to her son's decision.

"He's used to walking around Akron and nobody bothers him," the source said.

Do people believe this, especially given the areas in, and around NYC where so many celebs live?

If he's saying that now... it's damage control.