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mattshaw78
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Pharzeone
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7/10/2010  3:57 PM
93BUICK wrote:I'm happy about it and the Lee for AR Turiaf and Azabukkake was unreal- if anyone had proposed that trade here it would have been shot down as unrealistic. I like Felton too and I like Amare. No complaining from the BUICK.

Knicks had a trade in place similar to this during the season back in December. At times the principles changed. As I recall it was Lee or Nate but Randolph was involved in trade talks with the Knicks but his injury occurred which negated it. Nellie was looking to move him since his rookie season. Once Mullin was moved it became obvious that it was going to happen.

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smackeddog
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7/10/2010  4:23 PM
I gave it a 'B'- I'm pleased with it, but not ecstatic, though maybe thats because of the feeling of let down from the failure of plan 'A'. I'm really pleased we basically changed Lee into Amar'e, Randolph, Turiaf AND Azubike- really that trade may have stopped the Knicks being completely killed off by this offseason. Felton, I'll be honest, I don't know much about and so can't be thrilled- I'm hoping this system will free him from his half court shackles and he'll flourish, but even if it doesn't work out, he's hopefully only got the first 2 years guaranteed (if the reports are true), which means he'll be movable if we can get Tony Parker, plus we still have the cap space to sign Carmelo- though I'm not going to make the mistake again of pinning my hopes on certain free agents signing with us!

I really really hope Randolph blossoms like Camby did, and starts to achieve his potential, and I also hope that all those GS players are fully recovered from what are pretty serious injuries. We need a lot of luck and good fortune for these moves to pay off, but I hope we're due that after all these years- it feels like all our risks and gambles blow up in our faces, but the good things about these moves are that they are correctable if they don't work out (except Amar'e if he gets injured). I hope some of our picks shine in the summer league too!

It's going to be a long offseason I think, and quite a torturous wait until the new season begins!

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7/10/2010  5:13 PM
d'Antoni has his 'type' of player in place. Yet a piece away from title contention perhaps? We should see soon.

Notice the Summer League games have a price tag and coverage of practice notes on such are just apparently unworthy of coverage in the local press. Unless of course only Newsday does.

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martin
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7/10/2010  8:55 PM
Knixkik wrote:At this point in his career Felton has better numbers than Nash did at 26 and Nash didn't put up better numbers until he was 30 and in phoenix. Felton has never played in a system like this or with a star like Amare. Who says he's not the next Nash?

interesting, didn't look at the early Nash stat. I am thinking though he was a much better shooter than Felton but really haven't peeked at the stats.

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7/10/2010  9:44 PM
Olbrannon wrote:d'Antoni has his 'type' of player in place. Yet a piece away from title contention perhaps? We should see soon.

Notice the Summer League games have a price tag and coverage of practice notes on such are just apparently unworthy of coverage in the local press. Unless of course only Newsday does.

ATDHE has had the SL games so far- all of them, I think. If they are not on at the specified time and you get the test pattern, open up the link a few minutes later- sometimes the uploader is not on time, but mostly it has to do with the fact that the earlier games go on over the expected time. The Knicks may be the first game tomorrow, so there should be something on right around the official starting time. If there is ever a freezing problem, I usually click on the game link to open up a new window.

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dacash
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7/10/2010  11:01 PM
i give plan b a solid b
a star in stat
a pass first pg
a young center
most of the players we picked up are good defensively but can still run in dantonis system
no lbj but thats not walshs fault
oohah
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7/11/2010  12:09 AM
There is no plan B. There is only trying to scramble, and recover by trying to salvage an 8 seed team out of the failure of plan A.

Plan Bad.

oohah

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7/11/2010  12:18 AM
oohah wrote:There is no plan B. There is only trying to scramble, and recover by trying to salvage an 8 seed team out of the failure of plan A.

Plan Bad.

oohah

How about Plan Y for You SUCK?

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oohah
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7/11/2010  12:20 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
How about Plan Y for You SUCK?

Childs2Dudley

You obviously have a weak mind. Come better if you want to tangle with me.

oohah

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7/11/2010  12:25 AM
Amazing what Donnie has done considering we lost out on the big 3.

Knicks can very easily get a #5 seed this year and we got an entire roster under 27, thats a great job from a few years back

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7/11/2010  12:27 AM
oohah wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
How about Plan Y for You SUCK?

Childs2Dudley

You obviously have a weak mind. Come better if you want to tangle with me.

oohah

It's easy to whine and moan. That's having a weak mind.

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TMS
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7/11/2010  5:14 PM
grade so far = C

we halfway completed our goal this summer... getting AR for Lee in that trade was nice, but we are still lacking that 2nd star to give us a realistic shot to compete in a really tough Eastern Conference.

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7/11/2010  5:22 PM
TMS wrote:grade so far = C

we halfway completed our goal this summer... getting AR for Lee in that trade was nice, but we are still lacking that 2nd star to give us a realistic shot to compete in a really tough Eastern Conference.

id rather see what happens with out going after another guy cuz the choices arent good that are left. the blizzards for sure wanna dump arenas and thats what i fear the most (right now). take some of what they acquired and drag his poop shoe behind here.

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7/11/2010  6:07 PM
sidsanders wrote:
TMS wrote:grade so far = C

we halfway completed our goal this summer... getting AR for Lee in that trade was nice, but we are still lacking that 2nd star to give us a realistic shot to compete in a really tough Eastern Conference.

id rather see what happens with out going after another guy cuz the choices arent good that are left. the blizzards for sure wanna dump arenas and thats what i fear the most (right now). take some of what they acquired and drag his poop shoe behind here.

i agree, i'd rather not starphuch again just for the sake of trying to win a few more games this year at the expense of any hopes of winning championships in years to come... just saying purely for the sake of this question asked, i don't see how anyone can give DW an 'A' grade this summer when some of the same people are projecting 35-42 win type predictions for this roster... after 3 years i expected to see better than that in 2010, i'll be totally honest.

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iSergio
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7/11/2010  8:09 PM
I'd give Donnie Walsh a B for Plan B. Not getting LeBitch was not his fault at all. He did EVERYTHING he could. That punk bitch was never coming no matter what. Kudos to Walsh for not sitting in a corner and crying. He could have easily retired after LeBitch rejected us. Walsh is 69 years old and having health issues. The man is a fighter and I'm so proud he's the leader of this franchise. The David Lee trade has to the potential to be very good if Anthony Randolph is as good as some of you say he is. Amar'e Stoudemire is a beast and will be the second best big in the East behind Dwight Howard. Raymond Felton was also a good signing. Ronny Turiaf and Kelena Azubuike should be solid role players. And best of all, we still have flexibility to go after a MAX FA next summer.
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7/11/2010  8:11 PM
If you focus on the failed plan A, one that depended on a certain player being different than who he resulted to be, then you'll give a failing grade. But this is plan B, one that saw us turn Lee into a great young big man prospect, a solid young SG with upside and a solid backup F/C. Also a plan that got us a young and legit starting PG on a 2 year deal, perfect to get a star later on via trade. We even signed a young foreign C with upside. We are young, athletic, with lots of upside, the players we have now look to be good on D and may fit in very well in this system, being great complementing pieces to Amare while we keep searching for that second star.

Walsh did a great job after the Lebron fiasco, thats why he earns an A with plan B. We actually have a solid team that should take its first steps towards turning it over, possibly earning a low playoff seed. You could only expect better if we had actually signed Lebron, but as we have found out now, that was impossible since e was a Heat way before the free agent process started.

Oh, and most importantly, we have the pieces for a deal for Melo. We'll see what happens.

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7/11/2010  8:41 PM
TMS wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
TMS wrote:grade so far = C

we halfway completed our goal this summer... getting AR for Lee in that trade was nice, but we are still lacking that 2nd star to give us a realistic shot to compete in a really tough Eastern Conference.

id rather see what happens with out going after another guy cuz the choices arent good that are left. the blizzards for sure wanna dump arenas and thats what i fear the most (right now). take some of what they acquired and drag his poop shoe behind here.

i agree, i'd rather not starphuch again just for the sake of trying to win a few more games this year at the expense of any hopes of winning championships in years to come... just saying purely for the sake of this question asked, i don't see how anyone can give DW an 'A' grade this summer when some of the same people are projecting 35-42 win type predictions for this roster... after 3 years i expected to see better than that in 2010, i'll be totally honest.

I was as critical as any of the Jefferies trade- and I think its fairly evident that that cap space was efficiently used this off season.

No, we did not add 2 stars- but we've fleshed out a nice roster that we can start building with and around.

Some nice young talent that might be traded for Melo- better assets than we've had in quite some time.

The picks owed Houston might very well turn out to hurt- and I think their ultimate position is what fully determines the grade this off season.

I've voted B- if those are top ten picks we gave up, then the grade has to drop to C, and likewise, if they don't end up hurting and we make the play offs- then you have to give him an A.

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7/12/2010  2:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/12/2010  3:14 AM
franco12 wrote:
TMS wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
TMS wrote:grade so far = C

we halfway completed our goal this summer... getting AR for Lee in that trade was nice, but we are still lacking that 2nd star to give us a realistic shot to compete in a really tough Eastern Conference.

id rather see what happens with out going after another guy cuz the choices arent good that are left. the blizzards for sure wanna dump arenas and thats what i fear the most (right now). take some of what they acquired and drag his poop shoe behind here.

i agree, i'd rather not starphuch again just for the sake of trying to win a few more games this year at the expense of any hopes of winning championships in years to come... just saying purely for the sake of this question asked, i don't see how anyone can give DW an 'A' grade this summer when some of the same people are projecting 35-42 win type predictions for this roster... after 3 years i expected to see better than that in 2010, i'll be totally honest.

I was as critical as any of the Jefferies trade- and I think its fairly evident that that cap space was efficiently used this off season.

No, we did not add 2 stars- but we've fleshed out a nice roster that we can start building with and around.

Some nice young talent that might be traded for Melo- better assets than we've had in quite some time.

The picks owed Houston might very well turn out to hurt- and I think their ultimate position is what fully determines the grade this off season.

I've voted B- if those are top ten picks we gave up, then the grade has to drop to C, and likewise, if they don't end up hurting and we make the play offs- then you have to give him an A.

i don't got a problem with any of your reasonings behind your grades... i just don't see this as an oustanding result right now... time will tell what the true grade should be, but right now i'm giving him a barely passing grade... if we end up adding a piece like Melo using some of the pieces we got in the D Lee trade, then it gets upgraded w/o a doubt, but i don't see that happening... at least, not this year.

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