holfresh wrote:If the Knicks misses this chance to land Carmelo after he said he wants to be here, it's unforgivable...Donnie failed in closing the deal...FAILED!!!, let's not forget that...

What, in this narrow perspective, what do YOU think could have been done. Not everyone is ready for the big stage. Some chose the comfort of their little cliche. Aside from this unvieled collusive effort, how did you see it playing out. They all have CAA as their agent, from Riley to Spodestra. The deck was stacked. The results assured. A phony show.

Sangfroid wrote:

holfresh wrote:If the Knicks misses this chance to land Carmelo after he said he wants to be here, it's unforgivable...Donnie failed in closing the deal...FAILED!!!, let's not forget that...

What, in this narrow perspective, do YOU think could have been done. Not everyone is ready for the big stage. Some chose the comfort of their little cliche. Aside from this unvieled collusive effort, how did you see it playing out. They all have CAA as their agent, from Riley to Spodestra. The deck was stacked. The results assured. A phony show.

SAS a few days ago said he personally heard players say the would come to NY if Isiah was here...He said the players didn't blame Isiah for the Knicks debacle...Clearly, they want people they can relate to...Donnie went to the interview in a wheelchair...How does a 69 yr old guy relate to today's players...Doesn't bode well for the virility of the Knicks does it...Carmelo is on deck can he close the deal...Dolan had others trying to close it for him...

Cosmic wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He "cleaned up the mess" by giving up a lottery pick an 3 1st round draft picks (with the result so far being simply that we were in a position to offer $100 million to Amare). Does that really deserve so much credit?

Now it's 4 first round picks we gave up?

Need to brush up on your math and evaluation ability there I think.

Jordan Hill - TRASH
Jared Jeffries - TRASH
2011 SWAP - A SWAP we still have a 1st rounder no matter what.
2012 PICK - The LONE pick we gave up.

Come'on now.

This is worse than an old man telling war stories. The story goes from wounding himself in the foot to killing 75 men with his bare hands while his entire troop cowered in the dark.

Why do you keep mentioning Jordan his sucked? Walsh drafted Hill so that is failure right there.

You are so transparent when it some to Walsh.

Please enlighten me what did Walsh do that was so special?

- Randolph and Crawford were traded AGAIN after having a worse year.
- Traded the 2012 pick and a swap of the 2011 pick
- Traded our 2009 lottery player to move a 2011 expiring contract

Walsh's plan failed plain and simple. This team reminds me of Isiah's because it is full of forwards and we lack PG's, SG's and center.

We could have saved some cash and just forbidden Isiah from making transactions that added salary.

holfresh wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

holfresh wrote:If the Knicks misses this chance to land Carmelo after he said he wants to be here, it's unforgivable...Donnie failed in closing the deal...FAILED!!!, let's not forget that...

What, in this narrow perspective, do YOU think could have been done. Not everyone is ready for the big stage. Some chose the comfort of their little cliche. Aside from this unvieled collusive effort, how did you see it playing out. They all have CAA as their agent, from Riley to Spodestra. The deck was stacked. The results assured. A phony show.

SAS a few days ago said he personally heard players say the would come to NY if Isiah was here...He said the players didn't blame Isiah for the Knicks debacle...Clearly, they want people they can relate to...Donnie went to the interview in a wheelchair...How does a 69 yr old guy relate to today's players...Doesn't bode well for the virility of the Knicks does it...Carmelo is on deck can he close the deal...Dolan had others trying to close it for him...

AnubisADL wrote:

Why do you keep mentioning Jordan his sucked? Walsh drafted Hill so that is failure right there.

You are so transparent when it some to Walsh.

Please enlighten me what did Walsh do that was so special?

- Randolph and Crawford were traded AGAIN after having a worse year.
- Traded the 2012 pick and a swap of the 2011 pick
- Traded our 2009 lottery player to move a 2011 expiring contract

Walsh's plan failed plain and simple. This team reminds me of Isiah's because it is full of forwards and we lack PG's, SG's and center.

We could have saved some cash and just forbidden Isiah from making transactions that added salary.

Oh, I get it now, you were in love with Isiah and are still fuming over his departure and the tearing down of his 23 win 146M dollar payroll. Now I see where you come from.

Hill? Terrible pick. Donnie admitted it like a man. We've moved on...it happens as unfortunate as it was.

The rest of what Donnie did? I guess you don't consider restoring a franchise to respectability special.

Most of us do, however.

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:If the Knicks misses this chance to land Carmelo after he said he wants to be here, it's unforgivable...Donnie failed in closing the deal...FAILED!!!, let's not forget that...

LOL, you can make it sound like it was Donnie's decision when everyone knows it wasn't. Donnie did everything he could, but he couldn't make Lebron's decision for him. And for that he deserves your hatred, I can see that.

It's not hatred at all....He couldn't close the deal...I can say that without hate...Carmelo is on deck...U really want Donnie courting him...

So.....if we had some other magical GM.... LBJ would have said YES to the Knicks?

Doubtful. Putting LBJ's decision on Donnie isn't right.

Melo on deck? Doubtful. I think he's quite happy with his very good team in Denver.

I'd rather sit back and watch the rest of the summer unfold before I worry about what we missed out on and who we will target in 2011. Long summer, plenty of un-used assets, S&Ts in the works involving the Knicks all over the place.

How about this: We wait and watch the team finish it's summer business and THEN critique the roster we have before us?

Instead of just thinking that what we have now is what we're going to have come October....

TheSage wrote:I see the bitching and moaning yet no answer to the question I raised

Compare today's roster with the roster Walsh took over. He now has two lottery picks from the Gallo draft, a five time all star up front, cap flexibility, one of the younger rosters in the league with tremendous upside potential vs the roster he took over Old, lazy, overpaid and strangling flexibility. Which one do you prefer the one he took over or the one we have now?????

The roster has developed we are in a better position today than when he took over. it is not perfect but is still a work in progress and is poised to improve from here. Again "Which one do you prefer the one he took over or the one we have now?????"

The same would have happened in 2011 if Donnie sat on his hands...We would have been here WITH our draft picks..

Lebron signed to be with Wade and Bosh, since Wade didn't want to leave Miami, Miami was the destination. It has nothing to do with the owners but all about Wade, Bosh and James playing together. The key was to convince Wade to leave Miami.

Also the moves Walsh did allowed us to upgrade from Lee to Amare which will lure free agents for the future as well as move Lee for basically a lottery pick in Randolph.

holfresh wrote:

Cosmic wrote:

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:If the Knicks misses this chance to land Carmelo after he said he wants to be here, it's unforgivable...Donnie failed in closing the deal...FAILED!!!, let's not forget that...

LOL, you can make it sound like it was Donnie's decision when everyone knows it wasn't. Donnie did everything he could, but he couldn't make Lebron's decision for him. And for that he deserves your hatred, I can see that.

It's not hatred at all....He couldn't close the deal...I can say that without hate...Carmelo is on deck...U really want Donnie courting him...

So.....if we had some other magical GM.... LBJ would have said YES to the Knicks?

Doubtful. Putting LBJ's decision on Donnie isn't right.

Melo on deck? Doubtful. I think he's quite happy with his very good team in Denver.

I'd rather sit back and watch the rest of the summer unfold before I worry about what we missed out on and who we will target in 2011. Long summer, plenty of un-used assets, S&Ts in the works involving the Knicks all over the place.

How about this: We wait and watch the team finish it's summer business and THEN critique the roster we have before us?

Instead of just thinking that what we have now is what we're going to have come October....

ok
According to SAS, Carmelo says he wants to play in NY...Carmelo was offered 65 mil over three years and turned it down...

Carmelo has FULL YEAR to accept that contract.