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BRIGGS
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7/8/2010  5:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/8/2010  5:32 PM
MS wrote:They didn't seem so impressed that they took hinrich from the bulls.

If you're giving him two you might as well go three. I would have interest in him and lowry even foye would be interesting. He does give you a lot of upside if healthy.

He would have been a great signing with lebron

I might be willing to do Lowry as a speed G for 2-3 years 2-3mm

To me the COMBINATIOn of Lowry and Livingston(at their cash$$$) along with Douglas--gives you a strong PG position and Douglas can slide over to 6th man slot

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7/8/2010  5:31 PM
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7/8/2010  5:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/8/2010  6:01 PM
		

Player 2010 Salary 2011 Salary
Kelenna Azubuike 3,364,000.00 0.00
Amare Stoudemire 16,500,000.00 18,232,500.00
Eddy Curry 11,276,861.50 0.00
Danilo Gallinari 3,304,560.00 4,190,182.00
Wilson Chandler 2,130,481.00 0.00
Toney Douglas 1,071,000.00 1,145,640.00
Bill Walker 854,389.00 916,100.00
Andy Lautins 473,604.00 513,860.00
Landry Fields 473,604.00 513,860.00
Jerome Jordan 473,604.00 513,860.00
Ronny Turiaf 4,000,000.00 4,360,000.00 (Player Option)
Anthony Randolph 1,965,720.00 2,911,231.00

Total 45,887,823.50 33,297,234.00
Salary Cap 58,044,000.00 59,785,320.00
Cap Space Available 12,156,176.50 26,488,086.00


PG Toney Douglas
SG Wilson Chandler
SF Danilo Gallinari
PF Amare Stoudemire
C Ronnie Turiaf
PG/SG
SF/PF Anthony Randolph
PF/C Jerome Jordan
SG/SF Bill Walker
Bench-SG/SF Kelenna Azubuike
Bench-PG/SG Andy Lautins
Bench-SG/SF Landry Fields
IR Eddy Curry
IR
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7/8/2010  5:57 PM
^ and one VERY good note about the 2011 salary numbers, Ronny Turiaf deal is Player Option, and at $4M, you KNOW he is gonna opt out.
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7/8/2010  5:59 PM
I posted the above to show that Livingston would be a good fit for this roster. With 26M in projected cap for next year and some players, that Tony Parker, Melo offseason might work. Not that we planned for 2011, but I still think we have a lot of flexibility... if there is a simple trade with NO that brings back Collison without adding 2011 dollars, I would do that before signing Livingston.
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7/8/2010  6:00 PM
martin wrote:^ and one VERY good note about the 2011 salary numbers, Ronny Turiaf deal is Player Option, and at $4M, you KNOW he is gonna opt out.

I am with you on that...

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7/8/2010  6:02 PM
crzymdups wrote:did livingston have a good stretch last year or something? i've never seen the kid stay healthy. ever.

Here you go....I'd sign him aswell. He looked good last year.

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7/8/2010  6:31 PM
martin wrote:^ and one VERY good note about the 2011 salary numbers, Ronny Turiaf deal is Player Option, and at $4M, you KNOW he is gonna opt out.

really? is he that sought after? maybe he'll go be the muscle man for the miami divas?

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7/8/2010  6:41 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
		

Player 2010 Salary 2011 Salary
Kelenna Azubuike 3,364,000.00 0.00
Amare Stoudemire 16,500,000.00 18,232,500.00
Eddy Curry 11,276,861.50 0.00
Danilo Gallinari 3,304,560.00 4,190,182.00
Wilson Chandler 2,130,481.00 0.00
Toney Douglas 1,071,000.00 1,145,640.00
Bill Walker 854,389.00 916,100.00
Andy Lautins 473,604.00 513,860.00
Landry Fields 473,604.00 513,860.00
Jerome Jordan 473,604.00 513,860.00
Ronny Turiaf 4,000,000.00 4,360,000.00 (Player Option)
Anthony Randolph 1,965,720.00 2,911,231.00

Total 45,887,823.50 33,297,234.00
Salary Cap 58,044,000.00 59,785,320.00
Cap Space Available 12,156,176.50 26,488,086.00

If these numbers are all correct, we will have some significant flexibility next year- $30M to play with if Turiaf opts out. Pretty impressive, although some of that $$ will be eaten if we sign a PG to more than a 1 year deal.

Then, if James does not come here, we just have to hope that Anthony decides not to take the extension.

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7/8/2010  6:45 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
		

Player 2010 Salary 2011 Salary
Kelenna Azubuike 3,364,000.00 0.00
Amare Stoudemire 16,500,000.00 18,232,500.00
Eddy Curry 11,276,861.50 0.00
Danilo Gallinari 3,304,560.00 4,190,182.00
Wilson Chandler 2,130,481.00 0.00
Toney Douglas 1,071,000.00 1,145,640.00
Bill Walker 854,389.00 916,100.00
Andy Lautins 473,604.00 513,860.00
Landry Fields 473,604.00 513,860.00
Jerome Jordan 473,604.00 513,860.00
Ronny Turiaf 4,000,000.00 4,360,000.00 (Player Option)
Anthony Randolph 1,965,720.00 2,911,231.00

Total 45,887,823.50 33,297,234.00
Salary Cap 58,044,000.00 59,785,320.00
Cap Space Available 12,156,176.50 26,488,086.00

If these numbers are all correct, we will have some significant flexibility next year- $30M to play with if Turiaf opts out. Pretty impressive, although some of that $$ will be eaten if we sign a PG to more than a 1 year deal.

Then, if James does not come here, we just have to hope that Anthony decides not to take the extension.

Interesting- so you can sign Miller and Ridnour combined for about 12-14 mil per annum and still have 16-18 leftover for next year which potentially is enough for the max for Melo. Or you play it cool and sign only one of them, and probably have enough for both Parker and Melo?

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7/8/2010  6:53 PM
I was thinking that Parker would cost $12-14M per year and Carmelo the max-- so that's a good $30M commitments for the PG and SF spots (assuming Gallo continues to bulk into a 4, otherwise Melo plays the 2)... I wouldn't do too much with Ridnour or Miller because I don't think either of them are exceptional... I'd rather use this season to absorb 1 year contracts and young talent/draft picks.
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7/9/2010  12:30 PM
Flip Saunders was wrapping up his press conference prior to the game in Orlando when asked about Shaun. Immediately, he brightened up and started praising his starting point guard.

"He's solidified our point guard spot because he has a high basketball intelligence. He really initiates our offense because he creates mismatches. I mean, 6'2, 6'3, and 6'4 guys have problems guarding him because he's 6'8 and he's long. He can get down there and shoot over people. The other thing is, he's been a great free throw shooter, I think he's only missed one free throw all year. When you put all of those things together, he becomes very (important). Our game is so much about being able to create a mismatch somewhere and so when you have him on the floor, you have an automatic mismatch and the other team has to decide if they're going to come trap or do something different," gushes Saunders.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=15910#ixzz0tCfhxuIw

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7/9/2010  12:34 PM
He's 6'8? I'll sign on for that...
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7/9/2010  12:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2010  12:44 PM
Yea, if you watch those clips he's being guarded by Jameer Nelson in a few of them and he just backs him down, gets a double, and then dishes. He can run the break, he's got a great handle, and is truly a pass-first point. I think he'd be a top PG in the NBA had he not been hurt a few years back.

He's still got a ton of upside if he gets lucky with the health. I don't see the risk of signing, he'll come cheap and the upside is great. That being said I would give him a 3yr deal but with years 2 and 3 as team options. If he gets hurt I don't want him taking up a few mil in cap room. Maybe team option on year 2 and player option on year 3?

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7/9/2010  12:50 PM
This dude looks like he can ball, if he stays healthy.

Sign him up

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7/9/2010  12:51 PM
I have no problem adding him and overpaying in year 1, with a team option in year 2.
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7/9/2010  1:02 PM
I guess it is agreed that Walsh needs to sign Livingston. If it stops the Ray Felton talk, I am on board.
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7/9/2010  1:07 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:I guess it is agreed that Walsh needs to sign Livingston. If it stops the Ray Felton talk, I am on board.

There will be better options to go long on than Ridnour and Felton. To me that just spending to spend. We have Douglas and Rautins--bring in Livingston at a palatable contract in terms of YEARS 2-3 at 3mm or so--to me he fits what we have going and if it fails it can be swept under the rug--taking on felton for 8mm for 5 or Ridnour 30mm for 5 is something that will eat our cap when we may need it down the road.

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7/9/2010  1:10 PM
He's 6'8 with a 6'11 wingspan. He had a very solid finish last year.

We are really thin at PG/SG right now.

We have Douglas who I love, but doesnt look ready to run a team. Rautins isnt an NBA player until proven. Walker and Azu can play SG but are either starters?

I would really look hard into getting Darren Collison as plan A. If there is no option there then Livingston is a great plan B.

I dont know what his market is. Maybe $6mm with a $7mm team option for year 2?

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7/9/2010  1:14 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Flip Saunders was wrapping up his press conference prior to the game in Orlando when asked about Shaun. Immediately, he brightened up and started praising his starting point guard.

"He's solidified our point guard spot because he has a high basketball intelligence. He really initiates our offense because he creates mismatches. I mean, 6'2, 6'3, and 6'4 guys have problems guarding him because he's 6'8 and he's long. He can get down there and shoot over people. The other thing is, he's been a great free throw shooter, I think he's only missed one free throw all year. When you put all of those things together, he becomes very (important). Our game is so much about being able to create a mismatch somewhere and so when you have him on the floor, you have an automatic mismatch and the other team has to decide if they're going to come trap or do something different," gushes Saunders.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=15910#ixzz0tCfhxuIw


Any stuff on his D, Briggs. Is he able to deal with small PGs?

We would have some amazing length on this team if we picked him up. We would be fielding a starting team with every player being over 6'8."

Only Gallo can hit the 3 in a lineup of

Livingson
Chandler
Gallo
Randolph
Amare

though, and to be honest, none of the guys in the above line-up are superior players with their back to the basket.

I have said this before, I really think that if we have our choice of Livingston, Felton, and Ridnour, MDA will have the final say on who we sign. The PG pick-up is his call.

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