A'mare is on the marquee at Madison Square Garden

Lees agent is waiting for his cel phone to chime

BRIGGS wrote:Very realistically he is a offensive upgrade(not as much as people make it out to be but he is) and has a little more more presence on the D while you lose rebounding passing jettisoning the break--and then you add in the health risk + additional $$$$

All in all it's a somewhat decent offensive upgrade but we will have to see the whole deal. On face value I see it as very close to a wash with every factor considered including payment with a much higher risk

I hope I am wrong, though, and will have no problem with people shoving any doubt I have right back in my face if Amare turns out to be a monster for us.

BRIGGS wrote:Very realistically he is a offensive upgrade(not as much as people make it out to be but he is) and has a little more more presence on the D while you lose rebounding passing jettisoning the break--and then you add in the health risk + additional $$$$

All in all it's a somewhat decent offensive upgrade but we will have to see the whole deal. On face value I see it as very close to a wash with every factor considered including payment with a much higher risk

Is Lee capable of going out and scoring 30 a night for 2-3 months at a time and carrying a team into the playoffs and to the best 2nd half in the NBA?

Man I love Lee and love that he's played his way from hustle garbage guy to all star but he's fringe. Amare takes over games and wins games. We are talking Clyde Drexler vs Mitch Richmond. Amare is a hall of fame caliber player in his prime. Amare was beast before Nash got there.

This doesnt even touch on the physical difference. Lee = 6'9 with a 7'0 wingspan. Amare = 6'10 with 7'2 wingspan.
Amare is an explosive player. Amare draws double teams and either scores at 55% or lives at the FT line. There is no defense for him. Lee is a nice efficient player with good skills. Lee has limitations Amare simply doesnt.

Most of all Amare puts his will on games. He forces defenses to change. Amare dictates pace. He dictates tempo. Lee is an in the flow guy. Lee is a great role player on a championship team. He's not even a #2. He's like a #3. Amare is like a 1a. Nash + Amare = 1 and 1a. Thats how I see it.

Lee is there with Boozer and David West. Maybe Aldridge. Good players. Really good. Fringe all stars.

Look at how good Robin Lopez looked next to Amare. Earl Baron will look GREAT next to Amare. Lee isnt having that impact. Goes way deeper than the #s.

STILL

If we whiff on Wade/Lebron I very much HOPE we get Lee back

Briggs your always hugging trees when it comes to bigs with skills size and athleticism. You cant tell me Amare and Lee are in the same class. You just cant.

rvwink wrote:The original question does raise an interesting academic question. But the important issue is whether or not signing Amare over Lee is an efficient use of the extra Knick's cash required. Then the answer should be yes in a landslide imo, because signing Amare over Lee, significantly improves the Knick's chances of being able to sign a second superstar. Isn't having say a 30% or 40% better chance of signing Lebron, Bosh or Wade, worth paying for, and then doesn't that advantage in addition the superior ability of Amare Over Lee, make signing Amare the smart move for the Knicks?

Only if it is executed

Add to the fact that the D.Lee outside shot has improved every season. If he starts to knock down that 3pt shot (like reports claim he has been working on this off-season) he'll pass Amare on the offensive, imo

djsunyc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Very realistically he is a offensive upgrade(not as much as people make it out to be but he is) and has a little more more presence on the D while you lose rebounding passing jettisoning the break--and then you add in the health risk + additional $$$$

All in all it's a somewhat decent offensive upgrade but we will have to see the whole deal. On face value I see it as very close to a wash with every factor considered including payment with a much higher risk

your nuts.

Is Lee capable of going out and scoring 30 a night for 2-3 months at a time and carrying a team into the playoffs and to the best 2nd half in the NBA?

Man I love Lee and love that he's played his way from hustle garbage guy to all star but he's fringe. Amare takes over games and wins games. We are talking Clyde Drexler vs Mitch Richmond. Amare is a hall of fame caliber player in his prime. Amare was beast before Nash got there.

This doesnt even touch on the physical difference. Lee = 6'9 with a 7'0 wingspan. Amare = 6'10 with 7'2 wingspan.
Amare is an explosive player. Amare draws double teams and either scores at 55% or lives at the FT line. There is no defense for him. Lee is a nice efficient player with good skills. Lee has limitations Amare simply doesnt.

Most of all Amare puts his will on games. He forces defenses to change. Amare dictates pace. He dictates tempo. Lee is an in the flow guy. Lee is a great role player on a championship team. He's not even a #2. He's like a #3. Amare is like a 1a. Nash + Amare = 1 and 1a. Thats how I see it.

Lee is there with Boozer and David West. Maybe Aldridge. Good players. Really good. Fringe all stars.

Look at how good Robin Lopez looked next to Amare. Earl Baron will look GREAT next to Amare. Lee isnt having that impact. Goes way deeper than the #s.

STILL

If we whiff on Wade/Lebron I very much HOPE we get Lee back

Briggs your always hugging trees when it comes to bigs with skills size and athleticism. You cant tell me Amare and Lee are in the same class. You just cant.

just curious but how many more points would lee get if he had the best pg in the league setting him up? how many of those amare pts were courtesy of great catch/score situations created by nash? bosh basically has to go 1 on 1 in every possession to put up his stats. same goes for david lee. amare and boozer have the great opportunity to play with great pg's that run pick and roll all day long. amare barely has to take more than 1 dribble to score.

i'm not taking sides here, i'm just saying that amare is a really good player but he also has played with a HOF pg...

this is certainly true, but I think it could also be argued that any player in the East is helped out by the fact that the whole conference sucks compared to West.

Are Lee's stats inflated cause of supposedly being in MDA's system or deflated cause he didn't play with a PG?

BRIGGS wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Very realistically he is a offensive upgrade(not as much as people make it out to be but he is) and has a little more more presence on the D while you lose rebounding passing jettisoning the break--and then you add in the health risk + additional $$$$

All in all it's a somewhat decent offensive upgrade but we will have to see the whole deal. On face value I see it as very close to a wash with every factor considered including payment with a much higher risk

your nuts.

Is Lee capable of going out and scoring 30 a night for 2-3 months at a time and carrying a team into the playoffs and to the best 2nd half in the NBA?

Man I love Lee and love that he's played his way from hustle garbage guy to all star but he's fringe. Amare takes over games and wins games. We are talking Clyde Drexler vs Mitch Richmond. Amare is a hall of fame caliber player in his prime. Amare was beast before Nash got there.

This doesnt even touch on the physical difference. Lee = 6'9 with a 7'0 wingspan. Amare = 6'10 with 7'2 wingspan.
Amare is an explosive player. Amare draws double teams and either scores at 55% or lives at the FT line. There is no defense for him. Lee is a nice efficient player with good skills. Lee has limitations Amare simply doesnt.

Most of all Amare puts his will on games. He forces defenses to change. Amare dictates pace. He dictates tempo. Lee is an in the flow guy. Lee is a great role player on a championship team. He's not even a #2. He's like a #3. Amare is like a 1a. Nash + Amare = 1 and 1a. Thats how I see it.

Lee is there with Boozer and David West. Maybe Aldridge. Good players. Really good. Fringe all stars.

Look at how good Robin Lopez looked next to Amare. Earl Baron will look GREAT next to Amare. Lee isnt having that impact. Goes way deeper than the #s.

STILL

If we whiff on Wade/Lebron I very much HOPE we get Lee back

Briggs your always hugging trees when it comes to bigs with skills size and athleticism. You cant tell me Amare and Lee are in the same class. You just cant.

just curious but how many more points would lee get if he had the best pg in the league setting him up? how many of those amare pts were courtesy of great catch/score situations created by nash? bosh basically has to go 1 on 1 in every possession to put up his stats. same goes for david lee. amare and boozer have the great opportunity to play with great pg's that run pick and roll all day long. amare barely has to take more than 1 dribble to score.

i'm not taking sides here, i'm just saying that amare is a really good player but he also has played with a HOF pg...

I wouldnt spend 100mm $ just to raise a so-called % of possibly acquiring any player. It's exactly what the nets said--we will give Amare 100mm IF Lebron comes along. Why wrent OTHER teams quick to sign Amare--why the hesitation?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????--isnt that the same problem with he Knicks for many years---going where no other team dares to go and coming out on the wrong end.

Seems to me more teams like Lee than Amare--maybe they think he a better value proposition??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/

BRIGGS wrote:You give the Knicks credit by the willingness to pay

You read that this team wants this guy to take a little less/ dont want to pay this guy the max--the Knicks came in with all of their chips at the table and are using them to bully it around--and it may end up working. They are not trying to skimp in nay angle--that is what I am taking away from cumulative reading. I think or I can tell the Heat are and the Bulls are cheap. The problem with the Knicks is spending the money wisely

2 days to change your mind?